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Money or ME - 10/25/2008 8:13:48 PM   
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Hey  we all talk about different things in the lifestyle but what about the quality of the person meaning you. What do you bring to the table what do you offer to someone that is dom domme or sub   

Do you come with baggage do you expect someone to fix your problems
do you want someone to take care of your needs 24 7  do you have a identy complexity

OK OK wha ti am getting at is this  we need to be of value to ourselves
by this i mean. Fix any issues you have before getting into something deep with someone. Be Honest  a sub or dom domme that is not honest is going to ruin any good chance of anything long term. I for one would not anyone beating my hiny if they hide the simple things. I want good stuff not bad i avoid drama like the plaque
hooking up with dommes with crazy subbies or mental cases is not good iether make sure what is ended is ended before playing the lifestyle dating game again

   there are alot of good people as well as bad just make sure what you bring to the table is all good  no one wants ot fix someone  and really no one can   it is all up to you you  what you do for you as a sub dom domme  after all growing is what makes us aspire for greatness  yep
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RE: Money or ME - 10/25/2008 8:22:45 PM   
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I was fortunate. Sir is not a 'let me fix you' person, nor am I  a 'save me' person. He knew what I been going through and where I wanted to go. He gave me some instruction, guidance and discipline and plenty of room to pick myself up when I fell. It is working for us, in these 2 and half years i been able to give him more and more of myself, as he continues to give of himself.

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RE: Money or ME - 10/25/2008 8:37:04 PM   
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Hi.

I think honesty is the best thing to start with. If your honest about what you hope to find, what your limits are, and what you have problems with either in your life or in bdsm then everything is on the table and there's less chance anyone will get their feelings hurt or disappointed. I guess that's the main reason why I like to train slaves because it gives them a chance to learn more about themself and what they like and don't like and what they need to work on and I can get to know them better too.

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RE: Money or ME - 10/25/2008 8:49:33 PM   
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What... you mean we gotta be all stable an stuff... we can't just buy / bribe our slaves?  Well that's going to ruin a lot of fantasies.  LOL

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 4:44:29 AM   
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um yes you do no one wants a stable of the un stable   could be a dangerous thing     shock treatment time

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 4:59:01 AM   
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Heh... electrical play!

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 5:24:36 AM   
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Heh... electrical play!


That comes as a shock!!

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 5:51:33 AM   
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LOL... touche

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 6:15:06 AM   
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Everyone has baggage in their lives. It is not the baggage that counts but how you deal with it. Of course honesty is the most important thing in any relationship not just a lifestyle one. Not everyone knows how to open themselves up to others and that is often the most difficult thing to get right.

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 7:00:53 AM   
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BDSM gets the same stress test that I apply to anyone in my life:

- Are you more interesting than a book?  (for most people, the answer is no)
- Are you stable enough that I can trust you to, on average, add more to my life than you take off the table? (for most people, the answer is no)
- Are you charismatic and entertaining enough that I won't get annoyed with you after an hour? (for most people, the answer is no)

This checklist helps to explain why I'm so elusive in life, and why I have very little patience for most people.  They are, for some of the reasons illuminated above, a waste of my time in life.  "Let me fix you" or "please save me" people usually fail test number two, and do so with flying colors.

So yes, I'd say people who know how to take care of themselves in such a way that they have value to others are quite rare.


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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 9:49:19 AM   
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In my meanderings in the lifestyle I have found it is verrrrry rare to find a really stable partner. Most of us have issues, and or baggage. What it comes down to for me when I am meeting someone is twofold:

A. Are their issues/baggage something I can be accepting of? Some things are easier to handle than others, and that list is going to be different for each of us. If the issues are more than I want to handle, then I know we are not going to be a good match.

B. Even more importantly, is the sub willing to honestly work at getting past their issues/baggage. I will accept someone who is more fracked up in the head over someone who is less so, if the former is more interested to better herself.

These are the same tests that I apply to everyone in my life, as Real_Trouble said. Although I would have to add on his first point, it does depend on the book!

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 10:19:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

Do you come with baggage do you expect someone to fix your problems
do you want someone to take care of your needs 24 7  do you have a identy complexity




Ok, here's the rub, at least from my perspective. Yes, I have baggage. While I don't expect someone else to fix my problems, my problems -will- impact the relationships I have. I'm very mentally and emotionally stable, and a happy, productive, and ambitious person -- but my health sucks beenie weenies. It's been that way all my life. I was born with the seeds of my health problems, they're not curable, and they're progressive. You know what, they're slowing me down but they wont' stop me.

Do I expect someone to fix my problems? Nope. I've already done what can be done. Do I want someone to take care of my needs 24/7... well, 5-10 hours a week would work fine, but I -do- want them to take care of my needs... and so does my Darling. It's mutual, though -- for the right person, we'll do what we can to give them what they want in their lives, too -- ideally, we want a person who needs to be needed to make a good fit. If they're going to resent being needed, then we're probably not where they're going to want to be.

I don't think it's even -possible- to be 100% squared away before entering into relationships. I think what is -more- important is having an honest picture of self and household, knowing what is important and what can be set aside without feeling resentful about the loss, what balance both parties will play in nourishing one another, and taking the time and energy to honest about both a good fit and a poor one.... knowing when to say "this isn't working for me" is vital.

I know many people who abandon their whole lives to go be with another person a country, continent, or world away -- or even on the other side of a city... They give up family, friends, localized resources, jobs... and they start over somewhere else with some-one- else. Some of these work out great. On the other hand, I feel about moving to be with someone like I feel about loaning money or belongings.... if you can't afford to lose it, don't loan it. In the same way, if you can't afford to move, hate it, and either move back or start over alone, I really don't think it's such a hot idea to move to be with someone that you've not really spent a lot of time with. Even new married couples sometimes get caught in the "I love hir, but I can't live with hir." trap... and having no resources to start over can leave a person in a real bind if xhe discovers that "this isn't working" factor is in place in hir new life.

Honesty isn't enough. A real desire to make a relationship work has to be in place, too... and honesty has to come from all sides of the equation. It does no good to know oneself and be really forthright about things if the other people involved are still deceiving themselves about some key aspect of 'the plan'.

In the end, it still boils down to testing the water, and then knowing when to dive in or when to stay out. There isn't going to be any way to completely eliminate risk in interpersonal relationships, and D/s relationships are no different. However, if every relationship one gets into is going bad... I'd say it may be time to look at the three fingers pointing back at oneself before chasing after that finger pointing at the other folks.

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 11:09:32 AM   
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your title is very misleading. Your post had nothing to do with money. And as such, a diffrent title would have suited the post much better.

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 12:37:27 PM   
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this...

Trouble free relationships do not exist.

No, I'm wrong, they do exist. In the grave, or with lobotomies.

Normal human beings lean on each other during times of trouble and stress. The idea that it should be avoided isn't healthy. Life doesn't stop when you're dealing with your own issues. Life is the stuff that helps you get through it. Especially if a close relationship develops.

I understand  keeping your priorities, but if you do that to the exclusion of all else, you'll miss out on a lot.



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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 2:12:38 PM   
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I think that sometimes, the idea that a person coming into a relationship shouldn't have any 'baggage' or any 'needs' comes from the people who are so needy and so angry and so loaded down with baggage themselves that it -isn't- that the relationship can't have any baggage... it's just that it can't have any baggage except for the baggage of the one declaring baggage a 'hard limit'.

My Darling and I have an agreement... both of us can't break down (body or mind) at the same time. The one with the heaviest burden gets to go first. The other one does 'clean-up'.... then, when the crisis is over, the one doing cleanup gets to drop. For long-term stuff (like grieving over our lost beloveds) we see-saw through the hardest parts, alternating collapse and clean-up until everyone makes it through. Sure, I think it may take us longer to get through things than if we both took a simultaneous month or six and just went to hell in a handbasket, but this way has meant that we've come through illness, emotional pain, and even death of loved ones and still been able to hold our jobs, and maintain our home, and other responsibilities.

We've actually said "No drama" at one point in our time together (related to that same family crisis mentioned earlier)-- in fact, we spread our servants out through the outer rings of our nest, among those who cherished one another, and withdrew from everything but caring for the inner nest and our work-related responsibilities for several years, until we'd healed enough to be able to take on more again. Even now, we're not taking on 24/7 servants again -- there is a different level of commitment when you have people actually living under your roof, and we're not in that place right now. Someday, that will probably change -- for right now, though, we don't know, so we don't offer what we know we can't give.

I think that many (perhaps even most) people honestly try to do their best. For those who don't, they taint the pool for everyone else, and make the challenge of finding a good fit take longer.

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 2:51:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

your title is very misleading. Your post had nothing to do with money. And as such, a diffrent title would have suited the post much better.


I was also going to ask why the word MONEY is even in the title

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 4:11:54 PM   
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oh that is very easy it is about choices   that was make sometimes having is not as great as giving

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 10:18:52 PM   
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Maybe I'm the odd one out here, but I don't have any expectations when it comes to a relationship. All it needs to be is with someone I accept and who accepts me, that we can share things and occupy the same space or environment without harming each other, and that we both want similar things out of a relationship. I tend to see issues and baggage as part of the whole, complete person, as they tend not to be the sort of baggage you can set down, pick up or leave somewhere. My only criteria is whether that person is a victim or a survivor.

Do I have issues and baggage? Yes I do, much of it coming from childhood, my childhood as the 'unwanted child' together with the abuse plus the fact that I'm transgendered and still going through gender reassignment. This has excluded me so far from being a primary partner in a relationship and the relationships I have had have been those 'lesser' relationships where I have been no better to someone than a second option. I cannot deny that some of these issues and baggage do impact on a relationship because they do, and it's always been a case of me waiting for someone to get beyond this and discover me for who I really am.

Quite a lot of the baggage and issues were not caused by other people but were also self-inflicted and caused by me. This is notably during my 'man thing' period in Poland, years of living in complete denial, my earlier years of success in theatre up to the period when I got married and started abusing alcohol. Then you got the years before when here in the UK I would form unhealthy BDSM relationships with 'dommes' who were essentially very angry and bitter women and I would be their emotional punchbag and let them take it all out on me. But it was my marriage and the 'vodka years' (anything up to a litre of vodka a day) which proved to be the turning point and I realised that I was killing myself and hurting the people around me who were close to me.

I didn't approach my Warsaw domme as a 'save me' submissive but this is what happened, I was not only 'saved' but also 'found' and it was my years in her service and my moving back to Warsaw which provided the turn around in my life and formed the basis of me as I am today. Getting through the transition was a requirement of service but she took me apart piece by piece and had me go through myself and find answers to some very difficult questions. My years in her service were marked by my biggest successes in Polish theatre and led to my 'angry years' when I started writing and putting out short controversial dramas to 'get back' at society. This was when she released me, insisting that I needed to come out and stop living 'the double life'.

So many times I have heard 'if you don't love yourself you cannot love anyone else' which is something I disagree with. What if you have never been loved? What if you don't have any concept what love is? Sure, I guess you can use your imagination but I don't see how accepting yourself, caring about yourself and looking after yourself can equate to love. I'm not necessarily writing about myself here, I have a much more positive image of myself but some of the people I have put out on stage have been people with very little or no self-esteem. Part of my own problems are down to the fact that as a child I was taught to believe that I was unacceptable, and all along I have to cope with the same message coming from other people for being transgendered which appears to be a pretty effective barrier to date preventing me finding that person and that relationship.

I've come out of the box and this is how I live, out of the box, and I don't really have any desire to go back into any sort of box. This is not any sort of attempt to show that I am 'different' or 'alternative', I'm just me, but I notice a trend among people in 'the lifestyle' who come out of the box, and then go back into another box but yet claim to be outside the box. Therefore from my own perspective there's no difference between this BDSM community and wider society as I still get told I'm unacceptable by some. But then again was I expecting any difference? No, I wasn't.

But then I can turn it round and say that many people are just unacceptable to me, for example those who believe that an interest in kink and BDSM replaces some pretty basic social skills or even basic relationship skills. I know my worth and value as a person, a human being, and don't see myself as anyone less or inferior simply for the way I am or for my being transgendered. I work with homeless people, people who are also deemed in some ways unacceptable by others, people who also have baggage and issues, some to the point where they are unable to function normally. But you know each and every one of them is someone.

It's like with this 'no drama' that some people keep coming out with. Drama is good, at least from my perspective, because something is changing, something is happening, there's progress, learning, development, activity, but then again here I'm talking about when drama is effective. I think people confuse 'drama' and 'melodrama', which is something totally different. To me life is just as much drama as it is comedy, suspense, thriller, tragedy, or anything else. The problem only appears when there's too much of say thriller, tragedy or even comedy - here I'm talking of the slapstick variety when nothing you do comes out right and everything you attempt falls apart.

So much is down to one's perspective on people and life. Yes, I can look back and see that all I have behind me are failed relationships. But this isn't the way I see it, because to me a failed relationship is simply a relationship which didn't live up to my expectations and I feel this is a negative way of looking at relationships, people and myself. Surely the fact that there was a relationship in the first place, isn't this a success? But this is where you find some people have problems, the relationship ends and yes, it tends to royally piss them off, but then what happens is that they get angry at the person and instead of rising above it, letting go and moving on they get all caught up in stuff like resentment and hatred and decide that they're going to carry the emotional wounds throughout their life.

This is perhaps why I have become a minimalist. I have gone through so much in life and found and lost so much that anything else from this point forward is largely academic. Home is an apartment here in London, but my essential home is really not much more than a large suitcase or holdall and perhaps a cardboard box. I live simply, frugally, I meander through life, and am both free and individual. I live for today, have a concept about tomorrow but don't really have much idea about next week. It's the same with relationships and people.

I am stable in my instability and consistent in my inconsistency. I genuinely fear no one and nothing. The only way to know if a relationship works or not is to give it a try. This is my only promise. I promise to try.


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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 11:07:12 PM   
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Everyone comes with baggage.  Absolutely everyone who has lived any sort of interesting life or ever had anything bad happen to them, which is most of us.  My mother was emotionally abusive.  She didn't mean to be and she did the best she could, but she was emotionally abusive nonetheless.  My brother is an alcoholic.  I'm a survivor of domestic violence. 

Everyone has "drama" (aka shit happens).   Bad things happen to people.  Job loss, serious illness, houses burning down, car wrecks, whatever. 

I'm bringing myself to the table, the good, the bad, the ugly, the fabulous, all of it.  Someone will find it appetizing and want to eat here, I'm sure:p

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RE: Money or ME - 10/26/2008 11:12:13 PM   
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Ultimately, from my point of view is that going through the crappy with some one makes it easier to endure, alone we tend to feel, "What the hell was all that for?" Personally, I don't get any warm fuzzies after I've gone through a crucible, just exhausted relief and an intense desire to NOT be alone right then.

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