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RE: left and right in the media - 10/27/2008 11:05:41 AM   
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Media's Presidential Bias and Decline

The traditional media are playing a very, very dangerous game -- with their readers, with the Constitution and with their own fates.


The sheer bias in the print and television coverage of this election campaign is not just bewildering, but appalling. And over the last few months I've found myself slowly moving from shaking my head at the obvious one-sided reporting, to actually shouting at the screen of my television and my laptop computer.


But worst of all, for the last couple weeks, I've begun -- for the first time in my adult life -- to be embarrassed to admit what I do for a living. A few days ago, when asked by a new acquaintance what I did for a living, I replied that I was "a writer," because I couldn't bring myself to admit to a stranger that I'm a journalist.

(Follow the link below to the full article).


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1



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RE: left and right in the media - 10/27/2008 2:27:01 PM   
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RE: left and right in the media - 10/27/2008 2:56:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the overriding bias of news is pro-news; anything that will make them money is reported upon.  That should be a basic enough fact that everyone should agree with.  Comics, Sports, stories about Natalie Halloway or etc. are in the news simply because they sell. 

That being said, the next step is that they push viewpoints that are good for their bottom lines.  The management sets the tone - or bias, depending on how you look at it. 

Does that make sense?

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/27/2008 3:37:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shouldn't they strive for truth?  If they put the truth out there with no political slant, they would not automatically exclude such a large portion of the populace. 

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/27/2008 3:45:22 PM   
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I am glad that I have a good deal more at my disposal to share in the exchange of thoughts and ideas than mere harassing pot shots, mike.   


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It is truly golden when one can find some bit of nonsense that supports some preconcieved viewpoint ,is it not Sanity.


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RE: left and right in the media - 10/27/2008 4:13:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

It is truly golden when one can find some bit of nonsense that supports some preconcieved viewpoint ,is it not Sanity.


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Shouldn't they strive for truth?  If they put the truth out there with no political slant, they would not automatically exclude such a large portion of the populace. 



Absolutely they should.  But if you were Rupert Murdoch and the choice was between making money and telling some version of the truth, you'd probably make the same choice he has.  We all would.  It's simple human nature, no?

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 4:52:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		MistressNew, it is obvious that you don't know me.  I will state the truth whether it pisses off the pope or not.  It is part and parcel of who I am.   I believe that candy coating is for gumballs and apples.  Most people who know me follow a simple rule: don't ask the question if you may be offended by the answer.  I never care if someone is offended by the answer totheir question.  They were the dumbass who asked it.

Jack Nicholson once said, "You can't handle the truth."  That tends to be true for most people in the world.

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 4:59:48 AM   
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MistressNew, it is obvious that you don't know me.  I will state the truth whether it pisses off the pope or not.  It is part and parcel of who I am.   I believe that candy coating is for gumballs and apples.  Most people who know me follow a simple rule: don't ask the question if you may be offended by the answer.  I never care if someone is offended by the answer totheir question.  They were the dumbass who asked it.

Jack Nicholson once said, "You can't handle the truth."  That tends to be true for most people in the world.


Frankly, so do I.  Which may be why I've never made it in the news business.

Blogging, however, seems like a good fit for us loudmouths.

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 5:25:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Western Europeans started 2 world wars that killed millions and bitch about us in 2 little wars. England is still an Empire. Is the media biased. Of course they are. Detroit is a good example. One paper is slanted towards Obama and the other towards McCain. Who cares. Either is a good fire starter.  

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 8:42:17 AM   
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Shouldn't they strive for truth?  If they put the truth out there with no political slant, they would not automatically exclude such a large portion of the populace. 

It's a nice idea, but I'm dubious it's actually possible.  "Truth" is subjective and the media merely reflects that. Considering that even historians do the same (try reading five different books on the Spanish Civil War for an extreme example) it's unavoidable.  I'd take the opposite approach.  Give me media that wears it's bias on its sleeve, so I can take that into account when analysing it.

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 10:13:11 AM   
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Western Europeans started 2 world wars that killed millions and bitch about us in 2 little wars. England is still an Empire. Is the media biased. Of course they are. Detroit is a good example. One paper is slanted towards Obama and the other towards McCain. Who cares. Either is a good fire starter.  


Europe isn't one country so there is no single government with control . While Europe started two European wars, Britain globalized the first world war, not Europe. As for WWII, remember, you entered because Japan attacked you, not Europe and Japan attacked the US because the US was forcing its interests on Japan. Japan decided to become a military power in the first place and copy western hegenomy because the USA forced it to sign treaties favourable to the US it didn't want to sign or suffer the consequences.

Only Americans refuse to accept that the USA is an empire, to everyone else in the world, the USA is an empire. If it looks like an empire, acts like an empire, you can bet your life it is an empire. The USA's middle east policy is the USA acting in the same way the British Empire used to act when Britains dick was big enough to ewave around.

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 10:15:42 AM   
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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 10:23:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen



I would expect a left wing media to follow left wing ideology - that everyone ought to be treated equally, that no one is above investigation and its "warts and all" in terms of reporting - following on from that an effort primarily motivated to expose the wrongdoings of the establishment and bring about change in society.

I would expect a right wing media to follow right wing ideology - that reporting should be done in such a way that the establishment is supported, some are considered above investigation and that any scandal is only ever associated with those seeking to undermine the status quo, against whom hostile reporting would be promoted.

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 10:44:29 AM   
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If to watch US TV, it is obvious (with exception of Fox cable news), they have become Obama campaign in many instances doing dirty job of innuendo and lies. I beieve TV and Hollywood elite genuenly share Obama political views. However, they represent their own life circumstances: they are highly overpaid, financially secure, and they would not mind paying more taxes. The last would perhaps relieve some guilt of getting excessive compensation. Secondly, they are internationalists, they idealize Western Europe semi-socialist policies. 


It truly amazes me how the party which has historically promoted the policies of the wealthy elite has managed to run such an effective propaganda campaign over the last 8 years that it has convinced so many to ignore the facts and vote against policies and candidates that would benefit them.

Have you ever really sat down and compared Democratic and Republican proposals side by side?  If you have, can you honestly tell me that Republicans are favoring policies that would benefit average Americans, like their poster boy Joe?

Think about the things you are supporting, don't just mindlessly listen to the talking heads who tell you what you want to hear.

Let's take the estate tax, for example, which Republicans want to end.  I've seen numerous references on this site supporting that.  WHY?  The estate tax affects a miniscule portion of taxpayers who are already extremely wealthy.  I think it is a safe bet to say that practically no one on this site will be directly affected by it.  Yet I see constant posts decrying the unfairness of it.

WHY?  Unless you are being brainwashed into supporting causes you have no stake in.  I think it is telling that the Walton family, heirs to the Wal-Mart dynasty, have poured millions of dollars into lobbying for the tax's repeal. 

But hey, you keep listening to Rush and Hannity tell you the Democrats are elitists and keep voting for the same party who instituted the policies that allowed greed to drive this country to the verge of bankruptcy.  

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 11:52:34 AM   
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Shouldn't they strive for truth?  If they put the truth out there with no political slant, they would not automatically exclude such a large portion of the populace. 

It's a nice idea, but I'm dubious it's actually possible.  "Truth" is subjective and the media merely reflects that. Considering that even historians do the same (try reading five different books on the Spanish Civil War for an extreme example) it's unavoidable.  I'd take the opposite approach.  Give me media that wears it's bias on its sleeve, so I can take that into account when analysing it.


Truth is not subjective.  Facts are facts.  If we display them in such a manner other than one which merely tells what happened, it becomes opinion or point of view.  Five different people at a bank robbery may see five different points of view.  The fact that the bank was robbed has not changed.  The fact that the bank reported ??dollars taken by the robbers doesn't change.  The fact that the men wore masks doesn't change.  The fact that the police are still seeking them doesn't change. 

Inevitably, an American newspaper will have to compare how many dems and pubs have robbed banks and try to say that this is because of anger versus Obama/McCain or some other dumb ass nonsense.  At the worst, they will even try to drum up sympathy for the robbers calling them "victims of society."

Sorry, but truth is not subjective.

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 2:54:31 PM   
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McCain camp demands L.A. Times release video



John McCain's campaign is demanding that the Los Angeles Times release a video of a party for a prominent Palestinian activist that Barack Obama attended in 2003. The Times described the going-away party for former University of Chicago professor, and Obama friend, Rashid Khalidi, in a story in April. The story reported that Palestinians thought they might have a friend in Obama because of his friendships in that community, despite the fact that his positions have never been particularly pro-Palestinian.


"A major news organization is intentionally suppressing information that could provide a clearer link between Barack Obama and Rashid Khalidi," said McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb, citing Obama's friendship with Khalidi, who is now a professor at Columbia University. He said the video could, among other things, show how Obama responded to a poem recited at the party accusing Israel of "terrorism" and warning of consequences for U.S. support for Israel, which Goldfarb described as "hate speech."


"The election is one week away, and it's unfortunate that the press so obviously favors Barack Obama that this campaign must publicly request that the Los Angeles Times do its job — make information public," he said.


(Click the link below for the full article).



http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_camp_demands_LA_Times_video.html?showall




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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 3:15:31 PM   
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Its called shoot the messenger. Its been around since caveman times.

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 4:16:42 PM   
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Journalists are not messengers, nor are they supposed to be messengers. Journalists aren't meant to make the news and they aren't meant to shape the news, their purpose is to gather the news and report the news impartially.

Furthermore, a discussion of the disservice that the current crop of "journalists" are doing to their profession and to the American public through their blatant bias and dishonesty isn't shooting them, it's a means of gaining enough enlightenment that we may better navigate the murky waters of current affairs without becoming as lost children, blindly bowing before the first charismatic politician who comes along, promising candy to all who will follow.


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Its called shoot the messenger. Its been around since caveman times.


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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 4:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting note re: news bias.  Here's a list that the Washington Post had up recently, listing all the close states and then labeling them as either "battleground" or as "leaning" toward one party or another.


Obama +13.8%: Battleground state (PA)
Obama +10.4%: Battleground state (NH)
Obama +10.0%: Battleground state (NJ)
Obama +9.5%: Battleground state (IA)
Obama +9.0%: Battleground state (OR)
Obama +8.2%: Battleground state (MN)
Obama +8.2%: Battleground state (MI)
Obama +8.8%: Battleground state (WI)
Obama +7.3%: Battleground state (NM)
McCain +6.8%: Leaning Republican (GA)
Obama +5.1%: Battleground state (VA)
Obama +4.0%: Battleground state (CO)
McCain +3.8%: Leaning Republican (IN)
Obama +3.5%: Battleground state (OH)
Obama +3.1%: Battleground state (FL)
Obama +3.0%: Battleground state (NV)
McCain +2.2%: Leaning Republican (WV)

Do you notice that anything where McCain is leading at all is called a "Leaning Republican" state, while any state where Obama leads by less than 14% is called a battleground? 

The media leans to the right because it is owned by the super-wealthy.  You know the people I'm talking about - the ones who will get a big tax break under McCain but will have to pay a bit more under Obama. 

Now, if I could only figure out which way the media is biased...

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RE: left and right in the media - 10/28/2008 4:40:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

OK - its been said one more than one occasion here that the media is biased towards the left wing; but what does that mean?

Notwithstanding that media owners do put a twist on things to suit their own particular agendas, what does a left wing media look like and what does a right wing media look like, so we will all know when they're being politically biased?

I would expect a left wing media to follow left wing ideology - that everyone ought to be treated equally, that no one is above investigation and its "warts and all" in terms of reporting - following on from that an effort primarily motivated to expose the wrongdoings of the establishment and bring about change in society.

I would expect a right wing media to follow right wing ideology - that reporting should be done in such a way that the establishment is supported, some are considered above investigation and that any scandal is only ever associated with those seeking to undermine the status quo, against whom hostile reporting would be promoted.

So, what does a left wing media and what does a right wing media, look like in your opinion?

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the news, like everything else, is a commodity. they go where the money is. I will wager that most people think in very...canned terms. they work under premises that they could not question. so even the 'left' or 'right' wing medias will be working in a very confined space. they are more or less the same thing, they just offer slightly different details. for instance, if one company backs one popular side of american politics and another company backs another popular side, there will be next to no difference in them as both sides have much, much, much more in common with one another than they have differences.

so in my opinion, left and rightwing media look quite similar.


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