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LadyEllen -> left and right in the media (10/25/2008 6:18:08 AM)

OK - its been said one more than one occasion here that the media is biased towards the left wing; but what does that mean?

Notwithstanding that media owners do put a twist on things to suit their own particular agendas, what does a left wing media look like and what does a right wing media look like, so we will all know when they're being politically biased?

I would expect a left wing media to follow left wing ideology - that everyone ought to be treated equally, that no one is above investigation and its "warts and all" in terms of reporting - following on from that an effort primarily motivated to expose the wrongdoings of the establishment and bring about change in society.

I would expect a right wing media to follow right wing ideology - that reporting should be done in such a way that the establishment is supported, some are considered above investigation and that any scandal is only ever associated with those seeking to undermine the status quo, against whom hostile reporting would be promoted.

So, what does a left wing media and what does a right wing media, look like in your opinion?

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kittinSol -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 9:18:58 AM)

Left wing media: The Guardian. Right wing media: The Sun.

PS: as you can see, I'm not bias.



Honsoku -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 9:19:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

OK - its been said one more than one occasion here that the media is biased towards the left wing; but what does that mean?


It means that there is a perceived sense of slack given towards democrats and quiet trumpeting of leftist policies.

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Notwithstanding that media owners do put a twist on things to suit their own particular agendas, what does a left wing media look like and what does a right wing media look like, so we will all know when they're being politically biased?


Without an ostensibly objective source, there is no way to no for sure when something is biased. Similar to how you don't really know your eyesight is poor until the first time you put on glasses. Instead, after a while you may see that certain things/people/events/etc seem to get more attention or more favorable attention and other things seem to get quietly swept under the rug.

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I would expect a left wing media to follow left wing ideology - that everyone ought to be treated equally, that no one is above investigation and its "warts and all" in terms of reporting - following on from that an effort primarily motivated to expose the wrongdoings of the establishment and bring about change in society.

I would expect a right wing media to follow right wing ideology - that reporting should be done in such a way that the establishment is supported, some are considered above investigation and that any scandal is only ever associated with those seeking to undermine the status quo, against whom hostile reporting would be promoted.


Now see, that is an example of left wing bias [:D] Really, read that bit over again. Do you see how you showed one side in a generally bad light while the other is shown is a positive one based on cultural norms?

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So, what does a left wing media and what does a right wing media, look like in your opinion?

E


Left wing bias is framing the protest of 30 so it looks like 300. Right wing bias is ignoring the protest altogether[;)] The problem is that it is all on a spectrum, so left and right is relative to where you stand. If you are extremely leftist, almost all media will seem to have a right wing bias, and vice versa.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 10:51:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Right wing media: The Sun.


I'll have you know that page 3 is non political[8|]



stella41b -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 12:30:01 PM)

With newspapers it's pretty simple. There's News International which is right wing, the Sun, etc. The Times, the Torygraph .. oh sorry the Telegraph, then you got the Star, can't really count the Daily Sport and also most of the Sunday newspapers, especially Lies of the World, erm sorry, News of the World. The Daily Mirror for me being a Blairite rag is right wing, but pretends that it isn't. Anything published by the Daily Mail group is right wing, including the London Evening Standard..

I've noticed that the freebie newspapers, The Metro and also (in London) LondonLite and The London Paper are also right wing. If you ever listen to TalkSport Radio this is decidedly right wing, despite the fact they have George Galloway and James Whale as presenters, but they also have Jon Gaunt, Mike Mendoza and this other right wing media hero who riles me up so much I cannot recall his name but who is apparently a bumchum of Boris Johnson.

The Independent is the only newspaper which is.. independent. The Guardian is somewhat left wing, Socialist Worker is definitely left wing and in recent years has much improved since it's 'Smash Thatcherism Troops out of Ulster' days. The Morning Star is left wing.

Then you have Private Eye, which is both and which tends to take on a satirical, critical view of whichever political party is in power. Surprisingly IMHO this is one of the best sources for unbiased reporting. Some of the other sections are of course made up (a bit like some of the articles in our tabloids) but they are genuinely funny.

This is nor forgetting Viz Comic, which I'm not sure is right or left wing, but I know it's also funny.



LadyEllen -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 1:27:53 PM)

Thanks everyone - but we all know/suspect which outlets are left/right - the question is, what makes them left/right?

What are the characteristics of left/right as they relate to media?

E



Musicmystery -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 1:31:19 PM)

As Don Hewitt (of 60 minutes) said years ago in the Wall St. Journal--

"It's not that the media is biased, but that it isn't biased their way."



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 1:37:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Thanks everyone - but we all know/suspect which outlets are left/right - the question is, what makes them left/right?

Funding historic or otherwise.



LadyEllen -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 1:47:12 PM)

No!

lets assume we know nothing of their ownership or funding - how would we know they were left/right from what they publish?

E



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 1:59:24 PM)

We would know from the fact they are constantly bleating on about the same topic and finding differing ways to cover the same ground. The Sun finds many topics involve the bizarre nature of Europe for instance. Genuinely though I think the TV news in the UK is more strictly Governed and so better behaved than the written press.



meatcleaver -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 2:07:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

No!

lets assume we know nothing of their ownership or funding - how would we know they were left/right from what they publish?

E


The media itself is the message, not the news it carries.

You ask yourself what media makes you comfortable, what do you aspire to, what don't you mind being seen reading in a public place, then ask yourself who you vote for or what you believe in. That is your answer.



awmslave -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 5:03:12 PM)

If to watch US TV, it is obvious (with exception of Fox cable news), they have become Obama campaign in many instances doing dirty job of innuendo and lies. I beieve TV and Hollywood elite genuenly share Obama political views. However, they represent their own life circumstances: they are highly overpaid, financially secure, and they would not mind paying more taxes. The last would perhaps relieve some guilt of getting excessive compensation. Secondly, they are internationalists, they idealize Western Europe semi-socialist policies. 



Musicmystery -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 5:07:37 PM)

Yeah. No media influence there.

Geez.



Irishknight -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 6:15:14 PM)

Sadly, there is no unbiased media in this country, and probably the world.  Left wing media cannot report on politics without implying that democrats are the chosen people and reps are the spawn of Satan.  Right wing media has to portray dems as misguided ignorant children and pubs as the benevolent protectors.  The only reasons I have even taken to watching the news in the morning at wok are that the weather girl has big boobs and tight clothing and that it helps to keep me awake for the last 30 minutes of my shift.  The weather girl is the only part I pay attention to.  The rest is just noise to keep me from dozing.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: left and right in the media (10/25/2008 6:27:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: awmslave
If to watch US TV, it is obvious (with exception of Fox cable news), they have become Obama campaign in many instances doing dirty job of innuendo and lies. I beieve TV and Hollywood elite genuenly share Obama political views. However, they represent their own life circumstances: they are highly overpaid, financially secure, and they would not mind paying more taxes. The last would perhaps relieve some guilt of getting excessive compensation. Secondly, they are internationalists, they idealize Western Europe semi-socialist policies. 


Fox news is that still part of news international which is owned by one of the richest men in the world who'd also hate a tax increase? If a channel is truly fair and balanced the clue is they don't have to keep reiterating the fact. I've not seen a more biased News channel ever. It's not surprising you see them as the only unbiased one you'd think at least one of the others was not biased wouldn't you? Seems they've done a good job of drumming home their message of being the only 'fair and balanced' news organisation in your mind.



Aneirin -> RE: left and right in the media (10/26/2008 3:12:31 AM)

Newspapers to me are wasted trees, I don't like to read a paper because I am aware of the political or other swing the editor puts on things. I also dislike a newspaper's ability to slander someone and blast it across the front page, but when they are by court action or other told to retract the information, an apology is posted someone obscure where not many will read it, no matter, the damage is done, and more papers sold.

I don't need the nitty gritty so to speak, just the facts will do.

My ex wife I remember was a Sun and News of the world reader, and I saw how it bolstered her oppinion on things to the point where I learned to call the red topped papers, 'Rabble Rousers', they speak in a language which fires up the oppinions of those who are vocal in their attitudes to others. Scary also, that , The Sun is perhaps Britain's top selling Newspaper and I am sure they do not sell just because they cater for the male gaze.



meatcleaver -> RE: left and right in the media (10/26/2008 3:25:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: awmslave

Secondly, they are internationalists, they idealize Western Europe semi-socialist policies. 


What is the problem of learning something from another country if they have something that works? Average West Europeans live longer healthier lives than Americans and they have less teenage pregnancies and less poverty. (Britain probably the exception)  West Europeans have learnt things from Americans and don't seem to have a problem with that. Intelligent thinking says, look at what works and modify it to your own culture.



FullfigRIMaam -> RE: left and right in the media (10/26/2008 3:57:17 AM)

quote:

how would we know they were left/right from what they publish?

E
I used to read different things without knowing their leanings.  Some of it left me feeling a little violated and vulnerable... 
I've since learned that much of it is considered right wing.   It's amazing to hear different versions of the truth with different focci on what is the important part of the story to be shared.   I actually have some conservative views, but when I want the truth, I listen to the story from both, a trustworthy conservative, and a liberal and decide for myself.
An example of left leaning in the US is "The Nation" publication; and  for an unapologetic, never looked up the meaning of fair and balenced, right wing spin zone is Fox network.   M    < 



seeksfemslave -> RE: left and right in the media (10/26/2008 4:26:18 AM)

Moderate Left=
a national, collective approach to society's problems is always best.
view everyone as having worth all of the time
believe that a society directed by educated bureaucrats with zero practical experience is best. correction: being able to solve difficult crossword puzzles is held to be especially useful.

are prepared to reduce educational standards to ensure that everyone gets an equal chance to fuck society up.
if they can bring a major arms manufacture to its knees so much the better.
egalitarian to the point of  stupidity
work for the BBC paradoxically an elitist organisation.

believe things that are consistant with their egalitarion bias even tho' total lack of evidence in support  exists.eg multiculturalism is succesful or species evolved by Natural Selection.
claim to feel guilty about the colonial past of the UK or slavery in the US

absolutely love spending other people's money in  pursuit of lost causes.
eg they enjoy make poor people poorer while failing to raise the standards of the poorest

usually very soft on crime which always tends to diminish the quality of life of  the respectable law abiding poor.

subsidising arts/theatre. the more esoteric ie the fewer people actually enjoy the target of the subsidy, the better. I give them credit for a logical approach here because if people wont spend their own money on say Art then the lefty, who knows best will.
paintings comprising daubs blotches and spots or even blank canvases ; tableux displaying dirty knickers or a pile of bricks are also considered extremely worthy.
the more music sounds like the proverbial skeletons copulating in a biscuit tin the greater the subsidy to be expected.
Paradoxically lefties subsidise established  opera and ballet so that  the extremely wealthy are not too disadvantaged when looking for a night out.

believe that it is only awful Western policies both past and present that are responsible for poverty and starvation in Africa.

of late have developed  a distinct authoritarian attitude because they are so sure that what they believe is correct it follows that alternative views are wrong and must be shouted down.
an exculpatory excuse or explanation can always be found for the most wicked behaviour unless the person responsible is right wing.
some even show a tendency to outright lunacy. eg the introduction of Winterval for Xmas.

moderate Right=
the opposite of the above or read my posts on society in general and you will know.
carnt be clearer than that can I ?



LadyEllen -> RE: left and right in the media (10/26/2008 5:11:27 AM)

"A protest against wage cuts in local government was today infiltrated by a small number of agitators believed to be from the communist party who clashed with police. Union leader Jim Smith told this newspaper that it was ridiculous that his members should take a cut, when top officials - some under suspicion for fraud - had just been awarded above inflation pay increases. He also condemned the presence of people at the protest who had co-opted  their peaceful demonstration for their own totally unrelated cause."

"Communist rioters today fought pitched battles in the street with law enforcement officers as part of an ongoing campaign to seize control of local government backed by militant union leader Jim Smith whose efforts to bring down top officials with unfounded allegations of fraud - which only emerged after the failure of wage negotiations last month - were also today rejected by local government leaders. Mayor Lara Saphlin defended bonus payments for her cabinet, saying that these payments had been agreed twelve months ago and reflected enormous efficiency savings achieved under her appointment".

These two fictional excerpts would tell me immediately the bias of the media by which they were published.

E



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