Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

could 1 state jam the election? and more!


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> could 1 state jam the election? and more! Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 4:51:47 AM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		by deny-abilty.  

if so- how big would it have to be.

OK- the tally comes out that say the Green Party get 40%, GOP 30%, DEM 30%.  So that state then would be green. It could not be blue or red.

Any candidate needs 270 to win.   While the Green would not win, it would deny either of the other 2, the 270- that our electoral college mandates.   So no one would win.

So how big would such a state have to be?   3 ?  12?  40?

Most states dont do proportional allotment.

=================================================
More

Next riddle,  the internet would dry up- if we did not update it.  20 years ago we went to real life for socializing etc.  But now we hang online.  But if enough of us stopped updating it- the net would be as relevant as a 1978 guide to toll roads.    Not very exciting. And it would then be relegated to the dust bin.  So if it collapsed would we return to real life?

?
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 6:49:01 AM   
Marc2b


Posts: 6660
Joined: 8/7/2006
Status: offline 		The one with the most electoral votes would win.  270 is the magic number with two (realistically viable) candidates running.  That number would be lower if you had three or four (realistically viable) candidates running.  What would be interesting would be a tie in electoral votes (is that even possible?  I don’t have the time to sit down and do that math).  If the Electoral College (what do they teach at the Electoral College?) is unable to proclaim a winner then it goes to the House of Representatives as per the twelfth Amendment.  

_____________________________

Do you know what the most awesome thing about being an Atheist is? You're not required to hate anybody!

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 6:52:50 AM   
MissSCD


Posts: 1185
Joined: 3/10/2007
Status: offline 		Remember Florida?


Regards, MissSCD

(in reply to Marc2b)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 7:10:07 AM   
Marc2b


Posts: 6660
Joined: 8/7/2006
Status: offline 		Yes I remember Florida but that has nothing to do with the hypothetical involved.

If Nader were to take one State outright then he would have that many Electoral Votes.  As far as Obama and McCain goes, which ever one had the more electoral votes would still win.  A repeat of Florida would occur only if one State was too close to call and if that State’s Electoral votes determined whether Obama or McCain had more votes. 

_____________________________

Do you know what the most awesome thing about being an Atheist is? You're not required to hate anybody!

(in reply to MissSCD)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 7:13:25 AM   
DarkSteven


Posts: 28072
Joined: 5/2/2008
Status: offline 		Happens in Europe all the time.  After the elections, the parties negotiate platforms until some coalition forms that contains a majority.

_____________________________

"You women....

The small-breasted ones want larger breasts. The large-breasted ones want smaller ones. The straight-haired ones curl their hair, and the curly-haired ones straighten theirs...

Quit fretting. We men love you."

(in reply to Marc2b)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 7:49:31 AM   
PlayfulOne


Posts: 1047
Status: offline 		Well lets look at it this way.  Ross Perot in the 92 election managed almost 20% of the vote.  He carried no state and won 0 electoral votes.  The chances of Ralph Nader doing either are about as good as Mickey Mouse winning with a write in vote. 

In 2000 when Nadar had a lot more attention he only had a little under 3% of the vote. 

K

(in reply to DarkSteven)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 7:53:25 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

What would be interesting would be a tie in electoral votes (is that even possible?  I don’t have the time to sit down and do that math).


Yes. And it's happened before.

(in reply to Marc2b)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 7:54:30 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

Happens in Europe all the time.  After the elections, the parties negotiate platforms until some coalition forms that contains a majority.


But the U.S. doesn't have a Parlimentary system

(in reply to DarkSteven)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 8:36:48 AM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

What would be interesting would be a tie in electoral votes (is that even possible?  I don’t have the time to sit down and do that math).


Yes. And it's happened before.

? No it hasn't.

But it is possible. A number of scenarios exist where two candidates could tie with 269 electoral votes

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 9:40:26 AM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		Nader is on the ballet in 45 states.

We dont know that every one of the states will go red or blue.

Take Vermont, where independents are big.

the media has us marching to their drumbeat.  But what if people vote and do so on the bail out?

most the time, I think America is too dumb to do so.  But what if this time it is different?



(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 9:42:06 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		The House HAS had to decide elections before.

Most famously Rutherford B. Hayes. Took 6 months to find a compromise.

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 11:51:29 AM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The House HAS had to decide elections before.

Most famously Rutherford B. Hayes. Took 6 months to find a compromise.

That's not what you claimed.

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 11:59:29 AM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		 

Ahh you betcha!  

And faster than you can say,"say it ain`t so,Joe".

That`s what all this ACORN non-sense is about.A pretext.

Remember when McCain called the ACORN thing destroying the fabric of democracy,or something overboard like that, at the last debate?You`d think the sky was falling.

It`s all a pretext for litigating and attempting to obstruct the election .

And they are all on the same page,the GOP,con talking heads and McCain supporters,including McCain himself.

You watch,the only states that will challange the results will be con-run states.

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 2:54:55 PM   
Steponme73


Posts: 552
Joined: 11/9/2007
Status: offline 		Acorn is presenting a huge problem to the free election system.  They are registering thousands of names and in some places getting these names to vote.  One guy in Cleveland, Ohio was paid a dollar for each time he registered.  He registered 73 times.  This is how the system gets screwed up.  This election could turn out to be a real bucket of worms. There are 11 states where this is a major problem.  Acorn did it's home work and picked on the states with the weakest election laws and rules....sit and watch this will be a fucking mess!

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 4:51:05 PM   
thornhappy


Posts: 8596
Joined: 12/16/2006
Status: offline 		Do you really think the guy in Ohio could really vote 73 times?  Or that the cartoon characters will vote (even if their registrations were sent in; ACORN reviewed them before submitting them.)

NY did an investigation on registration inaccuracies and found that 80% were due to errors by the state government. 

There's never been a large-scale, proven case of voter fraud.

thornhappy

(in reply to Steponme73)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 4:58:49 PM   
kittinSol


Posts: 16926
Status: offline 		Yet, some Republicans are trying to withhold their right to vote from individuals whose homes were foreclosed on in Michigan -  http://michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote, and already, they are preparing to steal the election away from Obama by making noises about Acorn (who are, all in all, pretty much above board in all of this, and whose crime has been to commit thought crime by being leftwing). Watch out for some of those Republican bastards: they will stop at nothing.

< Message edited by kittinSol -- 10/20/2008 4:59:23 PM >

_____________________________



(in reply to thornhappy)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 5:07:15 PM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		A friend of mine works petitions.  Sometimes she does 'for" and 'against" at the same time.  it is around $1 a name.  that is how it is done.  she lives in LA, CA.  

(in reply to kittinSol)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! - 10/20/2008 6:39:47 PM   
Aneirin


Posts: 6121
Joined: 3/18/2006
From: Tamaris
Status: offline 		Interesting if it could happen, and why not, shit happens.

_____________________________

Everything we are is the result of what we have thought, the mind is everything, what we think, we become - Guatama Buddha

Conservatism is distrust of people tempered by fear - William Gladstone

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 18
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> could 1 state jam the election? and more! Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.141