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pahunkboy -> could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 4:51:47 AM)
by deny-abilty. if so- how big would it have to be. OK- the tally comes out that say the Green Party get 40%, GOP 30%, DEM 30%. So that state then would be green. It could not be blue or red. Any candidate needs 270 to win. While the Green would not win, it would deny either of the other 2, the 270- that our electoral college mandates. So no one would win. So how big would such a state have to be? 3 ? 12? 40? Most states dont do proportional allotment. ================================================= More Next riddle, the internet would dry up- if we did not update it. 20 years ago we went to real life for socializing etc. But now we hang online. But if enough of us stopped updating it- the net would be as relevant as a 1978 guide to toll roads. Not very exciting. And it would then be relegated to the dust bin. So if it collapsed would we return to real life? ?

Marc2b -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 6:49:01 AM)
The one with the most electoral votes would win. 270 is the magic number with two (realistically viable) candidates running. That number would be lower if you had three or four (realistically viable) candidates running. What would be interesting would be a tie in electoral votes (is that even possible? I don’t have the time to sit down and do that math). If the Electoral College (what do they teach at the Electoral College?) is unable to proclaim a winner then it goes to the House of Representatives as per the twelfth Amendment.

MissSCD -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 6:52:50 AM)
Remember Florida? Regards, MissSCD

Marc2b -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 7:10:07 AM)
Yes I remember Florida but that has nothing to do with the hypothetical involved. If Nader were to take one State outright then he would have that many Electoral Votes. As far as Obama and McCain goes, which ever one had the more electoral votes would still win. A repeat of Florida would occur only if one State was too close to call *and* if that State’s Electoral votes determined whether Obama or McCain had more votes.

DarkSteven -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 7:13:25 AM)
Happens in Europe all the time. After the elections, the parties negotiate platforms until some coalition forms that contains a majority.

PlayfulOne -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 7:49:31 AM)
Well lets look at it this way. Ross Perot in the 92 election managed almost 20% of the vote. He carried no state and won 0 electoral votes. The chances of Ralph Nader doing either are about as good as Mickey Mouse winning with a write in vote. In 2000 when Nadar had a lot more attention he only had a little under 3% of the vote. K

Musicmystery -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 7:53:25 AM)
quote: What would be interesting would be a tie in electoral votes (is that even possible? I don’t have the time to sit down and do that math). Yes. And it's happened before.

Musicmystery -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 7:54:30 AM)
quote: Happens in Europe all the time. After the elections, the parties negotiate platforms until some coalition forms that contains a majority. But the U.S. doesn't have a Parlimentary system

DomKen -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 8:36:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: What would be interesting would be a tie in electoral votes (is that even possible? I don’t have the time to sit down and do that math). Yes. And it's happened before. ? No it hasn't. But it is possible. A number of scenarios exist where two candidates could tie with 269 electoral votes

pahunkboy -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 9:40:26 AM)
Nader is on the ballet in 45 states. We dont know that every one of the states will go red or blue. Take Vermont, where independents are big. the media has us marching to their drumbeat. But what if people vote and do so on the bail out? most the time, I think America is too dumb to do so. But what if this time it is different?

Musicmystery -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 9:42:06 AM)
The House HAS had to decide elections before. Most famously Rutherford B. Hayes. Took 6 months to find a compromise.

DomKen -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 11:51:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The House HAS had to decide elections before. Most famously Rutherford B. Hayes. Took 6 months to find a compromise. That's not what you claimed.

Owner59 -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 11:59:29 AM)
Ahh you betcha![;)] [:D] [;)] And faster than you can say,"say it ain`t so,Joe". That`s what all this ACORN non-sense is about.A pretext. Remember when McCain called the ACORN thing destroying the fabric of democracy,or something overboard like that, at the last debate?You`d think the sky was falling. It`s all a pretext for litigating and attempting to obstruct the election . And they are all on the same page,the GOP,con talking heads and McCain supporters,including McCain himself. You watch,the only states that will challange the results will be con-run states.

Steponme73 -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 2:54:55 PM)
Acorn is presenting a huge problem to the free election system. They are registering thousands of names and in some places getting these names to vote. One guy in Cleveland, Ohio was paid a dollar for each time he registered. He registered 73 times. This is how the system gets screwed up. This election could turn out to be a real bucket of worms. There are 11 states where this is a major problem. Acorn did it's home work and picked on the states with the weakest election laws and rules....sit and watch this will be a fucking mess!

thornhappy -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 4:51:05 PM)
Do you really think the guy in Ohio could really vote 73 times? Or that the cartoon characters will vote (even if their registrations were sent in; ACORN reviewed them before submitting them.) NY did an investigation on registration inaccuracies and found that 80% were due to errors by the state government. There's never been a large-scale, proven case of voter fraud. thornhappy

kittinSol -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 4:58:49 PM)
Yet, some Republicans are trying to withhold their right to vote from individuals whose homes were foreclosed on in Michigan - http://michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote, and already, they are preparing to steal the election away from Obama by making noises about Acorn (who are, all in all, pretty much above board in all of this, and whose crime has been to commit thought crime by being leftwing). Watch out for some of those Republican bastards: they will stop at nothing.

pahunkboy -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 5:07:15 PM)
A friend of mine works petitions. Sometimes she does 'for" and 'against" at the same time. it is around $1 a name. that is how it is done. she lives in LA, CA.

Aneirin -> RE: could 1 state jam the election? and more! (10/20/2008 6:39:47 PM)
Interesting if it could happen, and why not, shit happens.

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