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On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:00:55 AM   
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We've all done stupid things, not one of us hasn't. I've hurt myself in the worst way possible. My sisters, a married Dom is only going to lead to heartbreak. Wether soon, or in the future, there inevitably will come a day when your total commitment means absolutely nothing. You will never be to him, what he is to you. Someone else will. When he moves you to be closer to him, and then essentially abandons you in a place where you know nobody. Who are you going to go to? If you're in the ER, who are you going to call? If your car breaks down on these unfamiliar roads, who will you call when you don't even know where you are? All questios to ask yourself. In the end, the person that you put your ultimate trust in won't be there for you. The one that you totally committed to has other commitments that come before you. It's time to kick yourself in your stupid ass, and find someone that will give you the same level of commitment. It will definately hurt, and not in a good way! Learn from the dumbasses that have made this mistake. If he won't value you, value yourself. Bite the bullet, and move on. It's never too late, don't waste one more day !

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:17:47 AM   
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 It seems to me that you have probably just had a very bad day.   For that I am sorry.

I don't think it is always inevitable that every situation will end like this.  Although it's obvious from searching the poly message boards that problems like this do arise,  it also appears to me that a poly situation can also work out as well.
The fact is in this day and age any relationship is difficult to keep together,   It doesn't matter if the Dom you seek is married or single,   there is always a risk involved.   

I do feel bad about the situation you have been left in though.  



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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:27:53 AM   
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I did something stupid a few weeks ago and bought a stack of hay that looked great, smelled great but I forgot and didn't lift a bale to see if it was soaking wet on the inside. Stupid beginner's mistake.

In the past, I've let a few people into my life that I shouldn't have.

Hopefully, we learn from our stupidity and don't make the same mistakes over and over. The people thing, I think I've gotten pretty good at. But..........

Sometimes people are like that hay, pretty and smelling good on the outside but rotten in the middle. You've got to look past the exteriour and find out what they are really made of, before you buy the whole package deal. Rotten hay is much easier to deal with than a rotten human being.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:29:45 AM   
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This is another one of those OPs that makes me wonder about the intent and motivation of the post. 

Is someone in your life experiencing this and not listening to your advice?  Is it you? 

Married men aren't always shits.  Women who get involved with them aren't always trying to be the most important in their life.  Some people get involved with married people for very good reasons and have happy and healthy relationships with them.



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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:34:09 AM   
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I can understand the OP..when the married guy didn't tell his wife.
Then she always will be second. Ofcourse she knew that...but it can hurt.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:37:06 AM   
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Learn from the experience, OP, sorry that things didn't work out between you and this married Dom.  But to call those that have been or currently are involved with a married or otherwise attached person dumbasses is kind of a blanket statement that not many are going to appreciate.  As tress said, not all these relationships have a bad ending. 

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:57:16 AM   
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All I can say is that a wise (married, in an open relationship) man once told me "If a person will lie to their primary partner, they will lie to anyone, which includes you."   He always had everyone he planned to play with meet his wife and everything was aboveboard. 

I personally would not relocate across the country (or for that matter around the block) to a man who was not willing to put me first, and if they are married (especially if the marriage includes children) you will NEVER be first.  Of course they have other commitments that come before you!  This isn't limited to the BDSM world.  (It isn't even limited to married people, some people put their jobs before their partners, or their online role play gaming, or whatever). 

It doesn't make you stupid, though, it makes you human, and humans make mistakes.  The trick is to try not to make the same ones repeatedly:)



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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 11:59:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress


Married men aren't always shits.  Women who get involved with them aren't always trying to be the most important in their life.  Some people get involved with married people for very good reasons and have happy and healthy relationships with them.




I read the OP's post as that someone (she?) had been involved with this man and he had expected him to put her first, including moving her from her original residence to be near him, and then was unwilling to put her first.  I think if there is a mutual agreement to not put each other first that is a whole other ball of wax:)

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:05:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

How stupid must I be getting involved with them?

Soemtimes the heart overrules the mind

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:07:17 PM   
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There is a difference between a Dominant and a Husband, one signs on for fun, the other for life. You are the one who chooses what you want.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:12:38 PM   
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OP, I have got to say to you, I am REEEEEEALLLLLY feeling the angst in what you said and empathizing with certain sentiments you expressed. 

Your MissTress counter-balanced it beautifully with:
Married men aren't always shits.  Women who get involved with them aren't always trying to be the most important in their life.  Some people get involved with married people for very good reasons and have happy and healthy relationships with them.

And, JustDarkness made a valid point with: Sometimes the heart overrules the mind  (And, I will add that sometimes that is the right thing.  I claim no wisdom, I share in your feelings of stupidity and optionality at this very moment OP). 

Davan

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:35:39 PM   
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To clarify, I never expected to be his "everything", and was assured that I'd NEVER be his "nothing". The man I worship, is so busy cowering at his wifes  feet and kissing her ass that I'm lucky to get an e-mail. A true Dom should be just that, not a part timer. I love him dearly, but can't say that I haven't lost some respect after several months of very restricted contact due to the deception and cowering.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:40:53 PM   
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Slave2Bob----
< Offering you a hug >
  Davan

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:41:02 PM   
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The only thing that anyone should be is what they agree to be. Where is the deception? to you or his wife?

You can only expect what you are promised, if that promise is that you will always come second to his wife then thats what you expect. if you are told you wil be equal then thats what you will expect, only then can you be upset when you get something less. The problem is that often people get involed in relationships are told where they will stand and then during the relationship expect something differant and then complain.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:44:24 PM   
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And I can't say that it was my respect for him that was lost, it was respect for myself.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 12:48:57 PM   
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I really just don't know what to make of the original post.  There's no context to make heads or tails of it.



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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 1:43:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

quote:

ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

How stupid must I be getting involved with them?

Soemtimes the heart overrules the mind
And, sometimes, we're all a happy bunch of people in a cheery poly relationship of joy.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 1:45:36 PM   
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When he moves you to be closer to him, and then essentially abandons you in a place where you know nobody. Who are you going to go to? If you're in the ER, who are you going to call? If your car breaks down on these unfamiliar roads, who will you call when you don't even know where you are? All questios to ask yourself


It seems to me, that these are all good questions, that you should have asked yourself prior to being moved out to be closer to him. With that said, I feel for you. I understand that you want to warn others with regards to your own mistakes, but people need to make their own and learn by them. Where is your own responsibility in this? You agreed to being moved to be closer to him. You knew he was married. You knew you would not come first. He may have promised you the moon, but when it comes down to the reality of it, he belongs to his wife, and it is she that makes the decisions, based on the following:

quote:

The man I worship, is so busy cowering at his wifes  feet and kissing her ass that I'm lucky to get an e-mail.


Again with this phrase...

quote:

A true Dom should be just that, not a part timer.


A "true" Dom is whatever their sub thinks they are. This kind of blanket statement leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Once again, you knew he was a part-timer prior to your move. Now, if you moved there and then he told you he was married, then I could understand your post more. But that is not the case. I am very glad to see you say you are moving on.  Lesson learned, no?
 
Good luck to you.
 

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 1:47:32 PM   
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You made the choice to move to him.  This is more about dealing with your choices than the sort of person he is.

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RE: On Being Stupid - 10/16/2008 1:49:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

And, sometimes, we're all a happy bunch of people in a cheery poly relationship of joy.

neah then I have to wait for my turn :P
(just making fun)

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