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slvemike4u -> Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 1:14:27 PM)
Not looking for a partisan spitting match here,what I am asking for is opinions on John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin.Conventional wisdom says McCain chose Palin to shore up and energise his support from the party base.This it did,though under the heading of unintended consequences it also energised the Democratic base. Palin it would seem is even more polarising than Sen.Clinton,and as such she has suceeded in polarising the base of both party's...meaning this election will be decided,as it should be,by unafilliated voter's Given the tactics McCain has employed,namely painting Obama as the most liberal of Senators shouldn't McCain have been able to count on his base....and in picking his V.P. tried to appeal to moderates and not pandered to the base of the Republican party...when one looks at the choices....where could the base of the Republican party have gone,they were never going to vote Obama anyway? Again just a question of strategy,not looking in any way shape or form for a partisan argument?

pahunkboy -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 1:24:21 PM)
He did it due to Hillary. She was clogging the tv- her big smile and a full house crowd cheering. then Obama did not pick her as VP. so- this is his way of saying- the left talks, and I walk the walk. it was a brilliant move. what is a mystery is how the attention span is- per the financial mess. I guess we will know in a few weeks. or maybe not...

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 1:29:38 PM)
That does not address the question though PA,given his opponet was Obama....did he need to pander to the Rep base....IMO they weren't going anywhere,shouldn't he have had his eye on moderates instead of pandering to the hardline dedicated Pubs. edited to fix my lousy typing/spelling

MistresseLotus -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 1:33:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Not looking for a partisan spitting match here,what I am asking for is opinions on John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin.Conventional wisdom says McCain chose Palin to shore up and energise his support from the party base.This it did,though under the heading of unintended consequences it also energised the Democratic base. Palin it would seem is even more polarising than Sen.Clinton,and as such she has suceeded in polarising the base of both party's...meaning this election will be decided,as it should be,by unafilliated voter's Given the tactics McCain has employed,namely painting Obama as the most liberal of Senators shouldn't McCain have been able to count on his base....and in picking his V.P. tried to appeal to moderates and not pandered to the base of the Republican party...when one looks at the choices....where could the base of the Republican party have gone,they were never going to vote Obama anyway? Again just a question of strategy,not looking in any way shape or form for a partisan argument? I would have written in Hillary. One thing I don't think either side understood is that women can read women. It's the person we will eventually choose.. regardless of the gender.

TheHeretic -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 7:11:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Not looking for a partisan spitting match here,what I am asking for is opinions on John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin. Then it's a shame that, much like the candidate you support, you don't have much record of what you say actually reflecting in what you do.

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 7:32:02 PM)
Now that was nothing more than a cheap shot Heretic...when I saw you had responded to this thread I clicked on looking for your take on the question I posted ....and what do I get, a witty though totally ineffective cheap shot...why did I think I would get anything else from you...

TheHeretic -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 7:41:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u why did I think I would get anything else from you... I have no idea why you belive the things you do, Mike. [:D]

kittinSol -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 7:43:18 PM)
It's an unfortunate fact of life that sometimes, some posts are just plain rude because people can't hold it in [&:] .

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 7:49:45 PM)
[quote]ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u why did I think I would get anything else from you... I have no idea why you belive the things you do, Mike. [:D] screwed up the quote box...

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 7:52:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u why did I think I would get anything else from you... I have no idea why you belive the things you do, Mike. [:D] Funny thing is,I think I have a pretty good idea of why you believe the things you do ,Rich...[:D]

TheHeretic -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 7:56:59 PM)
You would have to understand what I believe first, Mike. I don't see much evidence. Usually you just try and assign me ideas you feel comfortable challenging. If you really care about my answer on why Palin was the pick, perhaps go back and read some of my posts regarding her. You were in most of the threads, I think, but you might have been too busy with the partisan spitting. [8\|]

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 8:00:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic You would have to understand what I believe first, Mike. I don't see much evidence. Usually you just try and assign me ideas you feel comfortable challenging. If you really care about my answer on why Palin was the pick, perhaps go back and read some of my posts regarding her. You were in most of the threads, I think, but you might have been too busy with the partisan spitting. [8\|] Or Rich,and I realise this is a radical idea for you ,since you came here and started this spitting match on this thread ,you could.....wait for it..simply answer the question asked....or move along,either way I don't give a shit.[:D]

TheHeretic -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 8:03:08 PM)
Sure, Mike. Here ya go. http://www.collarchat.com/m_2087044/mpage_3/key_/tm.htm#2087632

TNstepsout -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 8:03:40 PM)
I also thought it was a brilliant move at the time. I thought it was something very unexpected and kind of leveled the playing field with the "minority" card and possibly with disenfranchised Hillary supporters. Had Palin been a little more on the ball and come with less baggage, she would have been a choice that could have really breathed new life into his campaign.

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 8:06:32 PM)
Maybe you could reread the question Rich....something is getting lost in the translation here.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 8:08:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy He did it due to Hillary. She was clogging the tv- her big smile and a full house crowd cheering. then Obama did not pick her as VP. so- this is his way of saying- the left talks, and I walk the walk. it was a brilliant move. what is a mystery is how the attention span is- per the financial mess. I guess we will know in a few weeks. or maybe not... One more time: Obama may have offered the VP slot to Hillary, and she rejected it. We don't know. You can't conclude that Obama didn;t pick her unless you were privy to all the conversations she had. Verstehen Sie das?

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 8:27:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNstepsout I also thought it was a brilliant move at the time. I thought it was something very unexpected and kind of leveled the playing field with the "minority" card and possibly with disenfranchised Hillary supporters. Had Palin been a little more on the ball and come with less baggage, she would have been a choice that could have really breathed new life into his campaign. TNstepsout,I agree it energised his campaign,but as I said in my op it energised the base...given how he intended to paint that opponet,namely as the most liberal of all liberal senators,that base wasn't really going anywhere....would he not have been better served paying attention to the middle and the undecided,rather than the base.

BitaTruble -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 9:06:18 PM)
I think it's a good theory, Mike, but what's missing is that the republican base would probably have just stayed home having already conceded 2008 to the democratics. Without that base, he really isn't strong enough to pull in the middle because of his decision to play party politics since 2004. I think he felt that was something that he 'had' to do in order to seek a bid in 2008. Unfortunately, that had the dual effect of getting him grudging base support but alienating a lot of centrists who might have seriously considered him. Putting Palin on the ticket secured that base but her strong conservatism, which is so important to the base, is a turn off for a lot of those who reside closer to the middle. So, embracing so much of the Bush doctrine, doing things like the address he gave at the request of Falwell, choosing a Christian fundamentalist etc are all good PR to cater to the pub base .. not so good for centrists. You know what I really like about McCain? When he was flat broke earlier this year, he hopped a plane on a coach ticket and stumped in New Hampshire virtually broke. He went back to being John McCain. When he spoke in front of CPAC, his reception was, chilly, to say the least and he kept plugging along. I think the base was stunned when he took New Hampshire and that win is what re-energized him and his campaign. His tenacity to never say die speaks volumes. I apreciate that even if I disagree with his policy's. What I don't appreciate is that now I just don't know which John McCain would actually show up in the White House. I 'think' it's going to be the old one who will flip his nose at the pubs, but I'm not sure. At one time he seriously considered caucusing with the dems. I'm probably one of the few people in the country who really isn't afraid of either the old John McCain getting elected or Obama getting elected. The only one who would actually give me pause is the John McCain of 2004 through early 2008. My hope is that guy, the one in the mask, is gone. That said .. I was called for the very first time in my life this evening while watching the PBS Frontline special on the candidates .. and it was Gallup asking me about my vote. I said I was a definite voter and was definite on Obama. When you look at Gallup over the next few days, I'll, personally, be one of those who effected the number. First time ever that I was actually called. It was kinda neat. :)

slvemike4u -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 9:17:56 PM)
Truth is Celeste I was looking forward to voting for McCain in 2000,but once he got in bed with Bush and Rove I lost all respect for the man.Campaigning on behalf of Bush after what he and Rove did to him in South Carolina was just too much

Owner59 -> RE: Strictly A Question of Strategy (10/14/2008 9:23:24 PM)
It`s inarguable that she was picked to win,not because she would be a good leader for our country. Country first? Yeah right..... Also inarguable,the effort to make her look presidential mocks our inteligence,although it`s amusing.

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