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RE: Do you know you? - 10/9/2008 8:10:45 PM

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hmmm... i guess i know who and what i am right here right now tonight. But, my ultimate hope is that the person who wakes up tomorrow is a little bit different, a little bit better, a little bit healthier, a little bit free-er, a little bit less judgmental, a little more trusting, a little more loving, a little less loyal to a fault. Knowing yourself is one thing.. i know plenty of people who can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that they do know themselves...The difference, i suppose, is that they are unwilling to work on anything. The accept where they are and who they are right here...right now... For me, it's not enough. It's not good enough. i'm a firm believer if i'm not growing and changing i'm probably dying..

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/10/2008 5:45:00 AM

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I dont think he see's it as self defeating, I would actually say that of the many people I have met he is one of the most self aware I think though that he is looking at it more from a point of view that from what he thinks the term means to use it would actually be limiting. He says I want to be called Master when I die because then there is nothing more that I can learn. I guess its more about people settling than anything else.

The more analytical side is far more down to me, I guess playing a bit of a devils advocate, some people say that its about self control, but surely to control yourself you need to be self aware. I have met neumerous people who seem to have no clue that what they do will have reprecussions and many more still who simply wont accecpt responsibility for themselves and a lot of that is justified by crying ignorance. The whole reality is perception thing is just another way of mitigating responsibility. I guess a lot of it is my cynicism. however I do think that a lot of people are totally clueless about who they are, I think most to an extent will have gaps but some seem to refuse to look at themselves and their motivations.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/10/2008 6:39:02 AM

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I guess playing a bit of a devils advocate, some people say that its about self control, but surely to control yourself you need to be self aware.

To a certain degree yes. However different people use different levels of self control because they think that is the right way to behave / be.

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I have met neumerous people who seem to have no clue that what they do will have reprecussions and many more still who simply wont accecpt responsibility for themselves and a lot of that is justified by crying ignorance.

That's just how the world is. These people are people i stay well clear of now. Unfortunately some of them really have no clue what they have done and the repercussions it causes and these are the ones i actually have some pity for. Even when faced with the facts / proof of the hurt / consequences they have caused they cannot see it, face up to it. There really is nothing more sad than true ignorance.

This however does not mean they don't know themselves or have no self awareness. For me it really boils down to their beliefs of what is right or wrong.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/10/2008 7:38:03 AM

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Really I guess this isnt a question about BDSM and it isnt a what does Master mean question I know that many people will disagree with the above definition the question really is how well do we ever know ourselves, does anyone here think that they truely do? Or more interestingly how many people think that they dont? I would be intrigued to see if anyone admits the latter.

Raises hand and admits to the latter.
I learn about myself different things each day. Life can be challenging and if it wasn't then we'd be floating by and a bloke of pride to like with.

Keeping a job in todays economy is hard enough. Our savings wiped out and how we deal with this the older we get, the more we learn about ourselves.

People in Katrina learned about themselves in a whole new way. Divorce challenges my sister everyday.

Our health changes as we get older and assuming that challenges makes us grow.

I think knowing the core of our personality can be a given...
we know if we are faithful, or liars, or untrustworthy, etc.
We can choose to stay the negative or challenge ourselves with bettering ourselves. For example. tardy...dammit I do better and then fall back in old patterns and then rise again.

In regards to "Master"..... My opinion is there are people who are at the bottom of the food chain and think they can jump to the front of the line magically overnight cause they dreamed it. Fantasy is not reality.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/10/2008 8:37:55 AM

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/10/2008 9:59:47 AM

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Personally, I know myself pretty well. Psychology has always been a major interest of mine, and I often look inside my mind and heart to examine my deepest feelings. I think the fact that I keep a Journal (handwritten one in a book, and I also occasionally put my thoughts into the Journal on my profile here at Collarme) helps a lot....plus that fact that introspection is in my nature. At age 49, I know my likes and dislikes pretty well.
But I also understand that my feelings on many things have changed a lot over the years, and I expect this process to continue for the rest of my life. So, as others have said, I know who I am today, but cannot fully know the person I will be tomorrow, or in 5 or 10 years. To grow is to learn. And I think it's wise to continue learning for the rest of my life. Humankind only uses a small percentage of our brains, and I want to explore deeper...and never stop that process.

Regarding the "Master" issue my feelings are simple on this one. To me, a Master is an experienced Dominant person who owns a slave, or has a deeply committed submissive.
The amount of experience varies from person to person, but the most important thing is that no one should ever think they "know it all". We can't possibly ever know it all!

This meaning of Master is just my personal opinion. But this Dominant feels he is not truly a Master until a slave or submissive is wearing his collar, and calls him one. I also believe that such titles of respect as Sir and Master should be earned. So I never insist on a submissive or slave calling me Sir. I wait until she feels that by my words and actions I have earned such a title of respect....although if she and I have become so deeply bonded that I offer her my collar, or she begs to wear it, then I would express my personal preference to being called Master at that point where I know her well enough to know she would want to do that. In a committed D/s or M/s relationship I know that it pleases me to be referred to that way. But it is also very important to me that in her mind I have earned that title of respect.

Finally, although I can be "Sir" to any submissive or slave who respects me enough to call me that, I am only "Master" to the one who has committed herself fully to belonging to me, and me alone (since I am monogamous by nature).
I hope this makes sense!

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/11/2008 12:13:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: scottb

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ORIGINAL: tactileartist
I am an adventure

And don't forget.. you're a brat too!

Love.

Damn. You outed me. Woe.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/11/2008 8:17:56 AM

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these words are soo wise...and yes, i chopped wood and carried water this morning...lol...

becoming and staying enlightened can really be hard work...but the payoff is worth so much...

blessings
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RE: Do you know you? - 10/12/2008 4:24:13 PM

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For me, a Master is not someone who knows everything, because that implies perfection. As much as we all love our Masters, they're human, and thus not perfect. But a Master is someone who knows and not only recognizes His faults, but has the self-control and self-discipline to work on improvement.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/12/2008 4:26:44 PM

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A label is a label and some people choose not to wear one.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/12/2008 6:56:24 PM

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I'm still getting to know who I am and what I'm all about. Just when I think I have figured it out, life throws me a curve ball and I have to recalibrate myself. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I feel like I continue to grow and see what it is that I'm really made of. So far, I like much of what I see, and that's better than where I was with myself in the past.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/12/2008 7:10:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

Ok well as my post said I wasnt really wanting to dispute the definition of the term, I am well aware what the dictionary definition says, however Sir comes at it from a martial arts perspective which is irrelevent anyways as I was mearly using it as a lead in to my question. But thats fine I dont expect everyone to actually read my post

My Daddy has a third degree black belt. He just said that mastery of anything is like this (quoting him)

"Once you climb a mountain before you congratulate yourself you must look out at the horizon and you will see the next mountain that you have to climb, mastery is a process and not a destination."

One does not have to have complete self knowledge to master themselves.

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RE: Do you know you? - 10/13/2008 10:03:22 AM

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....the question really is how well do we ever know ourselves, does anyone here think that they truely do? Or more interestingly how many people think that they dont? I would be intrigued to see if anyone admits the latter.

I suppose that if life was static... at some point we all could reach a point to know ourselves in all it's aspects. But life is a evolving and changing aspect that result in us never reaching that point of complete self-knowledge. I think we can learn alot about ourselves and know alot about ourselves. I aslo think that the learning and knowledge can continue to evolve and change with each passing day. In this moment... I know myself pretty good... but in another moment... I might just learn something new.

It is more a focus on the journey as compared to the destination. It is important in my view that we are always on the journey with a mindset to learn and experience ourselves but recognizing that we don't reach that destination till we draw our last breath. It is my experience that those who consider themselves to have reach such a spot tend to be unattractive people to me for one reason or another.

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