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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 3:52:23 PM

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See, this is a misconception -- a publisher is not required to publish anything that is written. It is not censorship to say "our publishing house is not interested in this piece as it is written." That's just a fact of being an author. If you had any idea how many rejection slips I've gotten over the years... if I considered every one of those rejections as "censorship", just because a publisher or editor decided that my work wasn't suitable for his market, I'd be in a -world- of hurt. Instead, I just put it back out there to a different publisher. Some of them sold, some of them are still out there... but it isn't "censorship" for someone to turn down publishing a book or story.

Again, you probably want to look at a different publisher -- one who has a history of publishing materials more like what you're trying to get out there. There are certainly publishers for your type of work, or there would not be "Diary of a Slave" and "Ms. Abernathy's Concise Slave Training Manual" and "The Compleat Slave..." and "Master/slave relations..."

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Dear Calla:
You are absolutely right. There are publishers out there who WILL punlish my book. But i beg to differ about it being rejection. It was NOT. The running order of what happened was this; i put forward the idea. My publisher ashed for a draft chapter which i sent. originally it was to be a slave's journal but written under my previous nom de plume of princess Angelchild. It was my publisher;s suggestion that i used my slave's name as a nom de plume. A contract was sent and was accepted and i signed it and sent it back in electronic format. The book had been sent in its entirety at this point plus foreword plus covers photography: all accepted.
Only then came a tardiness and actually what i absolutely stick by as a lame excuse; please return the contract signed by snail mail.
Then some week later that he could not endorse slavery.
It wasn't rejection. Something happened in that intervening time.....why fully endorse a work one moment and then not endorse it the next?
Why fully endorse the work of dominants (albeit working their way out of abuse by becoming dominant? Why not accept my position of consensual slave as also working my way out of abuse.? This was certainly one of my books subtexts.
All things are for the best spitually. There will be a more worthy publisher soon enough.......

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 3:55:08 PM

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It sounds like she had a publisher that agreed to publish, to the point of contract, and backed out for what are dubious reasons at best. Really, it seems he is not offering any real and substantial explanation.

Dear Lovingpet:
This is EXACTLY what happened as i explained to Calla above.

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 4:02:04 PM

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It is really surprising to have that happen at that point, and it sucks to be on the author end when it does. I've only seen that a couple of other times -- The first was actually -several- books, not just one book. I worked for a small computer-book publishing company in NC. They sold the company to a larger publisher, and told us nothing would change, then a few months later, we had to send letters to authors telling them that their books that were in final production were being cancelled. Two weeks after that, the parent company closed our publishing house permanently. The other time was for a surgical textbook one of our faculty was working on, where they got all the way to the pre-press galleys and into final production and the publishing house cancelled it. The reason they gave is that the book 'duplicated other contracts they had in process'.

My personal story was a 3-book contract for a trilogy. I had book 1 published, then the publishing house went under (one of the hazards of going with a micropress). I spent 6 years pimping the sequel before I could find anyone who would buy it when the first volume was with another house, even with the rights reverting to me when the first publisher closed its doors, much less re-release Book 1 for those who didn't have it yet. I finally got picked up in March of last year *yaay*, but I have to put up with electronic-only publication of Book 1, because they don't want to expend too much money on the 'backlist'... another of the hazards of going with a micropress.

I don't know why this happened, but it's been my experience that if you hold on to your momentum, you'll find another publisher who will treat this the way you hope.

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 4:04:49 PM

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I really don't like this answer but it makes far more sense to me than a previously perv friendly publisher suddenly censoring everything. Every publisher I know is far more willing to invent a "literary" reason not to publish (and pay for) a book than actually admit they are broke.

Just my 2 cents

The question of it being a money making concern ot not a money making concern was never the issue for this publisher. he set it up as a charity and its ethos as mental health publishing. Published initially as an ebook in the main the writers themselves were closely involved in procuring funds for turning their e-books into paperback versions.
Hardback books only ever make money if they are produced in very large quantities and therefore are of a PC nature (academic textbooks for example). And paperbacks also if they are of a pulp fiction type (ie best sellers at Wall mart/Tesco).
The financial situation at the moment is a type of censoreship in its own right. (The UK Government having just suddenly found ten times the funding of our entire ailing national health System to shore up the Banks?).

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 4:10:08 PM

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What i find unbelieveable is the endemic attitude towards slaves as a position. It's the most derided and dismissed of all.
Shouldn't i have a voice? is is demeaning? Is it demeaning to be a publisher to publish a creative work written by someone in consensual slavery?
i'm dispirited because i just hit a glass ceiling and one i really did not see in advance or even expect to see in the creative world i move in.
Why not endorse slavery/ i do understand the differnece between my position and the terrible mistakes of history. that indeed was my impetus and my reasoned motivation in wanting the book published.
Why is slavery in bdsm the most dismissed of positions?
Has anyone else hit the same glass ceiling?
PS And now what do i do with the transcript of a brilliant book?

I think I'd find myself a new publisher. How I see this is the publisher should be seeing you as a writer, not seeing you as a slave.

And that my friend is just an amazing thing to have said and to remind me about.
The truth is he DID see me initially as a writer and you know? That was just SO important to me. It was actually an inspiration. It never changed WHAT i wrote but it certainly changed HOW i wrote. It made me feel that my work would become something, that it would be read. Indeed it was published and read. I published for him as both a fictional writer and as a factual writer and had eminent praise for both. It makes a difference. it gave me a feeling of coherence for those opposing creative parts of me. I felt that at last i had found someone who understood what i was writing and who valued how and what i had to say. Obviously he finds consensual.slaves to be abhorrent.

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 4:22:23 PM

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We are in 2008, next year it will be 2009, and twenty years since the fall of the Berlin Wall, German reunification and the Round Table talks between the former PZPR regime and the Polish Solidarity movement - two events in history which occurred, as we are led to believe, for freedom and democracy.

Dear Stella:
It is twenty years since the Fall of the Wall. But it hasn't brought down walls of the mind. dualistic thinking; black/white, male/female, east/west.
The book i was trying to quote was:
Fear of Freedom (UK) Escape from Freedom (US) is one of the most famous books by psychoanalyst and social theorist Erich Fromm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fear_of_Freedom
It ranks as one of those books that changed my life.
i have freedom. i have absolute freedom to be and have practiced this in as pure a form as possible in my life. i am unencumbered by having. i am an expression of what i CHOOSE to be.
And what i CHOOSE TO BE is my Master;s slave. Who could ask for more that to have become what they always wanted to become.
At aged seven i was incarcerated in a slum house by an alcoholic mother. It was cold one winter;s night and i crawled out of bed to keep warm with my sister. i dreamed of having a pencil and an exercise book and one day having the freedom to write about the way i felt.
i thought that day had come.......
seems i hit my head on yet another wall....but i'll get over it Stella. You and i we both shall......

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 4:34:36 PM

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I spent 6 years pimping the sequel

Dear Calla:
i hear what you are saying.
i won't sell out.
i have withdrawn Volume II of my 'acceptable; book whuch might sound like i have shot myself in the foot. But if the publisher is not prepared to accept part of me he xertainly will not be prepared to accept the whole.
This has not dented me creatively, that is the good thing. two years ago i would have indeed slowed my momentum.
i have already started writing the sequel to tentacles for a Master, entitled Trust me, I own you.
i said on another thread that everything is PC as long as it is consensual. That belief i will take to my grave.

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 5:41:31 PM

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I am glad to hear you will go ahead and move forward in getting your work published. It is an inspiring thing to hear someone who will not be silenced. Keep going! I, for one, am proud to be a part of the same community as both you and Stella!

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 6:04:43 PM

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to be honest, i don't remember half of the OP said, owing all entirely to the fact that I am exhausted and should be in bed but it is only 9 o clock. Anyways, I just wanted to point that out if OJ SIMPSON can write and publish a book entitled IF I DID IT, then you can certainly publish this. I admire you for the courage to put yourself out like that. Keep your head up, don't give up, and you will get there.

As a side note for those who don't know, IF I DID IT, is a very detailed description, written by OJ Simpson, of how he would have killed his wife and her friend, IF he had done it. Though I find it funny, for those of you who have never seen the book, the title on the cover is as follow "if I DID IT"... the 'if' being very small..

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/8/2008 11:28:04 PM

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to be honest, i don't remember half of the OP said, owing all entirely to the fact that I am exhausted and should be in bed but it is only 9 o clock. Anyways, I just wanted to point that out if OJ SIMPSON can write and publish a book entitled IF I DID IT, then you can certainly publish this. I admire you for the courage to put yourself out like that. Keep your head up, don't give up, and you will get there.

As a side note for those who don't know, IF I DID IT, is a very detailed description, written by OJ Simpson, of how he would have killed his wife and her friend, IF he had done it. Though I find it funny, for those of you who have never seen the book, the title on the cover is as follow "if I DID IT"... the 'if' being very small..

There's some sick bastards in this world.....
corollary:
regarding OJ, non-consensual abuse obviously sells.....
PS edited for punctuation.
Maybe it was my punctuation?????????

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/9/2008 9:35:48 AM

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to be honest, i don't remember half of the OP said, owing all entirely to the fact that I am exhausted and should be in bed but it is only 9 o clock. Anyways, I just wanted to point that out if OJ SIMPSON can write and publish a book entitled IF I DID IT, then you can certainly publish this. I admire you for the courage to put yourself out like that. Keep your head up, don't give up, and you will get there.

As a side note for those who don't know, IF I DID IT, is a very detailed description, written by OJ Simpson, of how he would have killed his wife and her friend, IF he had done it. Though I find it funny, for those of you who have never seen the book, the title on the cover is as follow "if I DID IT"... the 'if' being very small..

There's some sick bastards in this world.....
corollary:
regarding OJ, non-consensual abuse obviously sells.....
PS edited for punctuation.
Maybe it was my punctuation?????????

Well, at least you're laughing about it now!

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/9/2008 9:47:00 AM

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It is not a form of censorship. If they fear that publishing a book about a self professed slave will cost them all educational sales (for example) then of course they weigh the benefits of this one book against those future sales for the next ten years.

With that said, since they have as much right to refuse to make an offer for your book as you do to offer it someone else, why not try Greenery Press which does specialize in these books and wouldn't have any trouble with the subject matter?

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RE: Dismissed position - 10/9/2008 4:36:26 PM

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It is not a form of censorship. If they fear that publishing a book about a self professed slave will cost them all educational sales (for example) then of course they weigh the benefits of this one book against those future sales for the next ten years.

With that said, since they have as much right to refuse to make an offer for your book as you do to offer it someone else, why not try Greenery Press which does specialize in these books and wouldn't have any trouble with the subject matter?

Thank you so much for this. Greenery are not currently accepting fiction manuscripts and are unlikely to publish memoirs.
There's a seed starting to grow within me that maybe i should start my own press. Not just self-publish but gather those around who have mutual respect and go from there.
It's troubled times financially. This is great for creative people. because when we have nothing to lose we have everything to gain.
i'm drawn to authenticity, to reality, to aesthetics of style and beauty of expression. i'm drawn to writing as an art form and the poetry of words, not necessarily to poetry itself.
i'm drawn also to freedom of expression (being a child of the sixties and so forth).
It's time for another revolution fired by oppression and anger. Yes i'm angry. This is not just personal. It's global. i never consented to my taxes shoring up the fat cats. i consented to my lover, my friend and my Master. There's a connection.

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