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McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/3/2008 7:13:16 PM   
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After millions spent and thousands of man hours worked,McCain pulls out of Michigan.

Palin didn`t even know till she was asked about it,today.

McCain is behind in double digets in New Hampshire,a red state.

Is this the beggining of the end?

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 2:48:44 AM   
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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 5:49:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure if it's the begining of the end, but I know it pissed off a few of his supporters in this area. That is pretty much all my dad bitched about yesterday. He didn't take down his autographed pic of the man, but he had some very nasty comments about the whole thing.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 6:10:04 AM   
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Is it the beginning of the end for McCain? Possibly. I was talking about this at the VP debate party I was at the other night. We were trying to pin down the moment when McCain "jumped the shark" on his campaign. Most seemed to think it was the "Fundamentals of our economy are strong." comment. Myself, I think it was when Gramm called us all a nation of "whiners" and that we were only in a "mental recession." Which of course, led to his being fired from the campaign, and then quietly re-hired after a couple of weeks. To me, THAT was the moment everyone began to realize this guy had no frakkin' idea of what the hell he was doing...  Since then, it's been a long parade of stunts, poor decisions, and outright grandstanding. The moment Rove signed on to his team didn't help either, or the fact that he's so worried/embarassed about his VP choice, (his first major decision as possible POTUS) that he's keeping her away from all media, even AFTER the debate.

Not to worry about him, though. He'll go home in a month, write his book, and probably end up doing erectile dysfunction med ads shortly thereafter. Once away from the handlers, he'll end up looking like the guy we all COULD have voted for, instead of the typical republican asshole he's being portrayed as now. (Exactly the same thing that happened with Dole.)

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 6:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Michigan's auto industry is depressed because while the Big Three were enjoying high interest rates, figuring people would just have to buy whatever cars they chose to make, Europe and Japan invested in rethinking and retooling. Michigan could always have done that, but by the time they woke up, that horse was far down the road, and many of those customers are now loyal Toyota, Honda, etc. customers, as they got cars that better matched their needs.

McCain's plan:

Those jobs just aren't coming back. Sorry. That's Straight-Talk.

Obama's plan:

The world is still changing---we have a shortage of hybrids, despite incredible demand, for example. We need to invest in retooling that already existing infrastructure in Michigan, meet those future demands, and get Michigan back to work!

The result:

People seem to feel Obama's plan has a better chance.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 8:49:52 AM   
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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 10:11:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		It can't be good.  Although I think the only chance he might have had in Michigan would have been with Mitt on the ticket, and even then...

State by state,, he seems to be losing ground with no areas of improvement.  It's gonna get ugly.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 10:21:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		      When we consider that McCain is on public funding for his campaign, while Obam lied on that issue, perhaps we get an idea of the future fiscal policy.  McCain understands financial discipline, while Obama just brings in more money.

      I wonder where he might find more money than he first thought he'd need as President...

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 10:34:15 AM   
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Obama offered to go on public financing, but McCain broke the law by already exceeding legal limits, an issue that can't be resolved before the election because the relevant oversight doesn't have a quorum.

Meanwhile, the RNC is rolling in cash, with FAR more than the DNC, and runs its own ads.

McCain understands that he's desperate. McCain understands that randomly shooting from the hip is attractive to some at first, but can't stand the scrutiny over time. People are slowly realizing that he talks a lot, opposes a lot, stages events like his rush to Washington as if it depended on him to enact the President's financial bailout. Easy. Simple. Not not reality.

Can McCain still win this? Sure. Lots of people don't need reality to make up their minds. But until now, I didnt't think you were one of them.

How is raising money for a campaign ignoring fiscal discipline? McCain hasn't been able to do it, but all other candidates do exactly that, and from willing contributors. So is my local store, ready to accept my money if I find their products worthy, guilty of poor fiscal discipline?

I'm quite ready to accept arguments. This is bullshit.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 10:41:49 AM   
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I can't wait till this election is over, and Mr Obama can go back to his job in Washington as the JUNIOR senator from Illinois.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 11:09:17 AM   
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I give you---President Bird.

He's even from W. Virginia, so he's gotta love coal.

Oh, crap. He's a Democrat. Never mind.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 11:47:59 AM   
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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 11:54:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		And that's among the reasons simply being in the Senate a long time doesn't qualify a Senator as a good choice for President.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 12:05:02 PM   
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And that's among the reasons simply being in the Senate a long time doesn't qualify a Senator as a good choice for President.



      Exactly, Muse.  It's amazing how we can agree so completely on some fundamentals, and wind up in very different places when we apply them, isn't it?

    

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 12:09:47 PM   
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And that's among the reasons simply being in the Senate a long time doesn't qualify a Senator as a good choice for President.



     Exactly, Muse.  It's amazing how we can agree so completely on some fundamentals, and wind up in very different places when we apply them, isn't it?

   


hmmmm so perhaps McCain was right and the "fundamentals" are sound????

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 12:58:05 PM   
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the "fundamentals" are sound????




         Do you even know what the rest of that sentence was?  It was the "don't panic" message I would expect from an actual leader in a time of crisis.

      "Our economy, I think, is still -- the fundamentals of our economy are strong, but these are very, very difficult times.''


               Hard work.  Innovation.  Individual entrepreneurship.  Those seem pretty fundamental to me.

        

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 1:05:01 PM   
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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 1:08:55 PM   
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But if he had only defended what he said, instead of trying to claim "Oh, I was talking about the American Worker." I might have chalked it up to the media overblowing his statement. Unfortunately, he acted like he was caught in a lie, and tried to wiggle his ass out of what he said. (So much for "straight talk", again.) No, McCain screwed up, at the worst possible time... less than two hours after he made that statement, two of America's largest investment terms went under.

It was McCain's equivilent to Dean's "Hooo-ahhhhgh!" moment. He has to live with his mistakes. It's just that there are a lot of them... and they are growing.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 1:25:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		      He probably wished he'd said "very, very, VERY, difficult times."

     And yes, Bipo, backing off the statement was a tactical error.  He'll have to work that in the Town Hall.

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RE: McCain gives up on Michigan - 10/4/2008 1:33:05 PM   
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the "fundamentals" are sound????




        Do you even know what the rest of that sentence was?  It was the "don't panic" message I would expect from an actual leader in a time of crisis.

     "Our economy, I think, is still -- the fundamentals of our economy are strong, but these are very, very difficult times.''


              Hard work.  Innovation.  Individual entrepreneurship.  Those seem pretty fundamental to me.

       


You mean 'Hard work, innovaation, and individual entrepreneurship' like, oh...  screwing the pooch big time in business and having everyone else bail you out whether they like it or not?  I'm thinking I'm not so keen on these fundamentals.


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