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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 11:40:21 AM

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Hm... I've never considered a difference between punishment and discipline, you have certainly given me something to ponder over. Thank you for that.

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 11:45:28 AM

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Hm... I've never considered a difference between punishment and discipline, you have certainly given me something to ponder over. Thank you for that. My pleasure

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 12:26:17 PM

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i wonder why it seems to be assumed that because a punishment is physical, that the beating/spanking/whipping/whatever is ALL there is to it? why the assumption that those who use physical punishment don't also sit down and discuss the problem and come up with a plan to ensure said offense does not occur again?

most of my punishments have been physical. sometimes a very hard spanking, something a whipping with the belt, sometimes an all-around beating (fists and feet). but it's not as if i comment some offense, my Master beats me, and that's all there is to it. unless it's a minor, obvious offense (like speaking inappropriately, not completing chores on time, etc.), then there is always serious discussion where we root out just what went wrong, and how to prevent it from happening again. but before this discussion, i am getting the snot beat outta me. absolutely. because that is what works for us. when i do something wrong, it upsets my Master, naturally. He will have feelings of frustration, disappointment, irritation, possibly even anger. physically punishing me serves as a release for all of those negative feelings and all of that negative energy. it also gives me my comeuppence quite effectively...especially considering the fact that i hate pain in any form. then, afterwards, when that physical energy is released and things are cooled down, he talks to me about it. why did i do this? what has he done or not done that has let such a thing be possible? why am i not conducting myself as i should? and what will be done so that this will not happen again?

in many ways, it is like a Parent/child dynamic. my Master is not Daddy for nothing. and part of his role as Father is to teach, guide and discipline, so that i will continue to grow. except that whereas the typical parent of an UM wants their child to grow into independence, because my Daddy is also my Master, my growth needs to be as his slave.

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 2:49:48 PM

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I'm a bit of a masochist so a spanking wouldn't be very effective for me. I love spankings.

I think the worst punishment I could get would be to have my Dom tell me I disappointed him. That would be a hurt I wouldn't enjoy.

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 4:11:13 PM

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MasterK has this one flogger that I absolutely hate, and don't see how I will ever enjoy having used on me. He uses it very sparingly, if at all.

A few months ago I had to confess to doing something I was absolutely not supposed to do, so I knew punishment was coming. He used "that" flogger very hard, and it was not in the least enjoyable.

I am not confused about the difference in play vs. punishment. The intent behind the punishment makes all the difference to me.

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 4:56:48 PM

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 5:19:56 PM

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what is the joy of being spanked.? i have given spankings and watched the positive results and the immediate turn on but would love to know why it is pleasurable. any response is appreciated.

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 6:01:19 PM

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what is the joy of being spanked.? i have given spankings and watched the positive results and the immediate turn on but would love to know why it is pleasurable. any response is appreciated.

I find it pleasurable because:

1) I am at that point in time, completely helpless and under the total whim of Sir. My body is His to use as He pleases.
2) The sting then the warmth spreads to the uh, more sensitive areas of my body.
3) It leaves marks on me that continually remind me of Sir's domination over me and that I am His and no one else's.

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 8:47:07 PM

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And that milkshake brings some boys to the yard, that's right .. it ain't better than yours, damn right... some boys are pain whores.. (dancing)

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/2/2008 9:55:47 PM

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And that milkshake brings some boys to the yard, that's right .. it ain't better than yours, damn right... some boys are pain whores.. (dancing)

Grrrr *shakes fist at Rogue* Now I have that song stuck in my head, and it hasn't been there in forever. I didn't want it to come back!

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/3/2008 7:05:38 AM

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Some good responses here!

One thing to understand is that a majority of people in the scene have no clue how to effectively train behavior over time. They mostly just know what they've seen and what they've seen is corporal punishment in kids. They don't actually have a plan or process in mind, they just see "bad" and immediately go to "punish- spank." I often refer it it as handing it out like candy.

As well, a lot of people are not TRYING to actually change behavior, they are just enjoying reinforcing their dynamic. Whether they want to call it "domestic discipline" "putting her in her place" "reminding her of her place" or "funishment" the goal isn't actually to train new behavior, but to just do something kinky that feels nice but is generally shoved under the heading of "punishment" to make it sound more serious.

Finally, spanking an adult actually makes more sense. An adult can process the act as unique in itself and directly related to the behavior that's being shaped. A child just feels pain from their caretaker. A lot less emotional/physical mix ups are likely when you're dealing with an adult perspective.

Do whatever behavioral training dynamic works for you. In my world, punishment is a final choice and it means that we've both made some serious mistakes along the way. It does not get handed out like candy.

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RE: Spanking & whipping as punishment? - 10/3/2008 7:43:31 AM

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G'morning all:

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For myself, these activities are usually a part of almost every scene. So, to attach negative connotations to it to correct poor behavior would be sending mixed signals. Rather, I've named one particular toy; a belt that's been doubled over and twined together with the ends free to slap and snap, as the punishment tool. It's kept separate from the general toys and has a specific spot where it's kept.

If my submissive does something particularly annoying or bad, I send him to retrieve it. The look in his eyes is like the world falling down. He knows he's done wrong and has earned my displeasure. I give him a few whacks across the sweet spot of the thighs to reinforce the emotional and mental lesson of having earned my ire and have him put it away. Then we discuss briefly what he did wrong and why it angered me. I can't say he's ever repeated a mistake.

Bear in mind, my submissive is not a masochist. When he submits to a beating, it's to see that glowing smile on my face. To taint that act would be a crime.

Stay safe, place nice, & share your toys w/ others...

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