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oceanwynds -> Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 10:49:44 AM)
My life journey for several decades has been to look for the sacredness in the roads i travel. This can be thought of as the link to my heart. There is sacredness in our relationships with our children, parents, lovers and other people, places or things, which had touched deep down within our heart and given us growth. Usually i can tell when i am on a sacred quest, because it is very difficult. I have experienced many different roads to exploring my sacredness, and now have been exploring the submissive within me. It is taking me to areas within my heart that i have thought never existed. It makes me reach deeper within to discover more. This too is a difficult journey, but one i would not regret. Has Ds become a sacred path for you? If so how?

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:06:02 AM)
BDSM and M/s have been tools that I have used to help me dig beneath my skin and find my essential self. I've tried to fill my life with these tools, and have learned a great deal about the essential -me- through my association with this community. For me, the concept of 'sacredness' is not an ethereal process -- to be sacred to me, a thing must incite a new measure of self-honesty, and require me to test the beliefs-of-self and cultural preconceptions behind which I still hide. BDSM, body modification, and M/s have required more of me than almost any path that I've stepped upon. Calla Firestorm

scarlethiney -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:09:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: oceanwynds My life journey for several decades has been to look for the sacredness in the roads i travel. This can be thought of as the link to my heart. There is sacredness in our relationships with our children, parents, lovers and other people, places or things, which had touched deep down within our heart and given us growth. Usually i can tell when i am on a sacred quest, because it is very difficult. I have experienced many different roads to exploring my sacredness, and now have been exploring the submissive within me. It is taking me to areas within my heart that i have thought never existed. It makes me reach deeper within to discover more. This too is a difficult journey, but one i would not regret. Has Ds become a sacred path for you? If so how? It's a lovely thought oceanwynds that so many things are sacred for you. I don't think the term sacred is something I would attach to my life in submission or in bdsm. For me challenges aren't necessarily sacred, cathartic possibly. My faith is sacred, my belief in a higher power could be construed as sacred. sacred 1 a: dedicated or set apart for the service or worship of a deity <a tree sacred to the gods> b: devoted exclusively to one service or use (as of a person or purpose) <a fund sacred to charity>2 a: worthy of religious veneration : holy b: entitled to reverence and respect3: of or relating to religion : not secular or profane <sacred music> If this is a sacred experience for you, then I'm happy for you. scarlet

oceanwynds -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:18:15 AM)
Thank you for your reply. i have also found that this is one of the most difficult paths i journey too. It has caused me to see things within me that i did not know existed. oceanwynds

oceanwynds -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:22:21 AM)
Thank you for your response. i left the spiritual part of sacredness out on purpose, since i do not believe to walk a sacred path one needs a diety, higher power or whatever name a person wishes to use. Personally, i was greated by the Goddess Pele when i was in Hawaii, and have been following her ever since. i have though always walked a spiritual sacred path starting from my Jewish birth roots through all my different journeys. Blessed be, oceanwynds

Missokyst -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:29:21 AM)
I dont view ds as sacred at all. It is simply the dynamic in which I choose to live out my relationships. To attach a sacred tag to it for me would be saying that somehow I have become transformed. I am still the same me, regardless of whether I am in a relationship or not. Kyst

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:36:04 AM)
I think that it may be relevant to the topic at hand, in addition to the definitions offered above, to consider some additional definitions of "sacred" beyond the ones limited to being bound to a religion or diety. 3. Designated or exalted by a divine sanction; possessing the highest title to obedience, honor, reverence, or veneration; entitled to extreme reverence; venerable. 4. Hence, not to be profaned or violated; inviolable. 5. Consecrated; dedicated; devoted; -- with to. 6. Solemnly devoted These definitions do not require a deity or religion -- merely consideration and the ensuing dedication and commitment. Calla Firestorm

SnowRanger -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:39:50 AM)
Hello Oceanwynds, Wow! This is certainly something to contemplate. I don't suppose that one should ever put any person in a position of being devine; but, to seek someone to respect... to venerate... to revere (GACK! dare I say to L... Lo... Lov... grrr... Love).... How could I find submission to such a woman anything less than sacred? that's something I'd like to experience. Respectfully, Mike SnowRanger

Chi -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:42:42 AM)
The unending battle we most courageously fight is the battle for self, an abyss of unknowns yet to be revealed and perhaps will never be revealed but we cannot deny the here and now of which we are is but a very small part of the very essence of us. I am not certain my quest for self is spiritual but I am certain it stretches to a different dimension

DesFIP -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 11:45:28 AM)
I'm with kyst. This is my preferred relationship dynamic. I certainly am not practicing mindfulness while waiting for the tea kettle to boil in the morning in order to pour him his tea. Nor while waiting 45 minutes to turn laundry from the washer to the dryer. This is how I have a good life. But there seems to be for so many people a divide between their physical selves and their spiritual. There's a slogan to the effect that we are not physical people but spirits temporarily having a physical experience. I disagree with that. I celebrate all parts of me. I don't denegrate my lizard brain instincts in favor of a more recently developed bicameral brain. I don't think the mind and the brain are separate and that neither has any relation to the body. All of me is intertwined and of equal value.

SrchngCpl73112 -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 12:38:28 PM)
I dont know if i see it as sacred but it is has opened my eyes to so many things about myself i never new existed. This path my life has taken has shown me that i have been this way forever but never knew it. Little things from way back when i was a child. Some of the articles i have come across on other sites have actually made me cry while reading them because it would be so similar to things i experienced as a child that have made me what i am now. They made me what other people wanted me to be for so long that i didnt know who i was. I am finally seeing who i really am thru this wonderful journey with my other half. I feel like this lifestyle is so much more about the persons inner being and finding who they are than being in a vanilla relationship. This lifestyle encourages communication and trust and exploring yourself. You know, i think i take back what i said, it is very sacred.

Aslanemperor -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 12:39:33 PM)
When I saw this, I immediately thought that I might have found someone who thinks of things like I do. If you're looking for sacredness in BDSM, I ask you to look at a good submissive. She is the most special of girls (or sometimes boys). She will give you all of herself, and pour her heart and soul into you whenever you want it. She will obey you and serve you and the more she serves and the more she pleases you, the happier she will be. I have said this to many people: I think that there is no greater show of absolute love then that of a submissive to her Dom. To me, this is sacred, and I charish any sub I ever have as the most prized posession I have. ~Aslanemperor

Missokyst -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 1:19:24 PM)
When I see this I wonder how many people struggle with who they are. I can say I did struggle. But that struggle pretty much ceased to be difficult when I was in my late teens. I know who I am. I know how I got here. It is a constant part of me that required very little thought. And certainly no more struggle than the average teen-aged angst. As for this lifestyle encouraging communication and trust, well.. that is not a product of this lifestyle. Regular people, nilla people seem to get along just like the rest of us. Sweet times, difficult ones, the blissful and the mundane, we are all human and like it or not, much the same as any other. No better, no worse, simply because we have a kinky bent, or do not. The one thing I have noticed which is different is that each lifestyle proclaims themselves to be the superior way. Kyst quote: ORIGINAL: SrchngCpl73112 They made me what other people wanted me to be for so long that i didnt know who i was. I am finally seeing who i really am thru this wonderful journey with my other half. This lifestyle encourages communication and trust and exploring yourself.

DesFIP -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 1:22:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SrchngCpl73112 I dont know if i see it as sacred but it is has opened my eyes to so many things about myself i never new existed. This path my life has taken has shown me that i have been this way forever but never knew it. Little things from way back when i was a child. Some of the articles i have come across on other sites have actually made me cry while reading them because it would be so similar to things i experienced as a child that have made me what i am now. They made me what other people wanted me to be for so long that i didnt know who i was. I am finally seeing who i really am thru this wonderful journey with my other half. I feel like this lifestyle is so much more about the persons inner being and finding who they are than being in a vanilla relationship. This lifestyle encourages communication and trust and exploring yourself. You know, i think i take back what i said, it is very sacred. I used therapy for self actualization and to deal with demons from yore. I don't ask my partner to be a trained professional nor expect him to have that level of training.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 1:34:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aslanemperor When I saw this, I immediately thought that I might have found someone who thinks of things like I do. If you're looking for sacredness in BDSM, I ask you to look at a good submissive. She is the most special of girls (or sometimes boys). She will give you all of herself, and pour her heart and soul into you whenever you want it. She will obey you and serve you and the more she serves and the more she pleases you, the happier she will be. I have said this to many people: I think that there is no greater show of absolute love then that of a submissive to her Dom. To me, this is sacred, and I charish any sub I ever have as the most prized posession I have. ~Aslanemperor This makes it sound like the only sacred acts to be found are discovered through submission, which I don't believe is true. CFB

chamberqueen -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 1:37:09 PM)
I would consider my journey to be sacred from the standpoint that I feel it has been blessed. The journey is not always easy, and there are bumps in the road, but I have never been in a relationship with a man that has allowed me to trust so fully, to feel so protected, and which ultimately has brought so much joy - not just to the two of us but to others whose lives we touch. The bumps in the road are learning experiences. Often they are me getting over another emotional hump, or external factors that get thrown in. Through trust and communication we always get through and come out stronger than ever. I have been through so much emotional healing that I am still in amazement. I had believed that I could give my mind, heart and body to someone, but never my soul (and I know each person defines this differently). To me it is my very life force, and over time I also willingly gave that over. I feel many blessings around me; some subtle, some profound. I have no doubt in my mind that I am with the partner I was meant to be with. Even if for some reason our journey ended tomorrow I would still feel blessed for His presence and guidance and for how He helped mold me into a better person. I know that I have touched His life in similar ways which makes it all the better.

Aslanemperor -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 2:06:03 PM)
I feel your pain. I didn't mean to imply that. I agree that a Dom can be just as Sacred in his duties. A dom is a strong support to his sub. He often works very hard to support her, and then when he comes home, even as he's enjoying himself, he is finding ways to make his sub happy. He knows what she likes and he plays his part. He is the strong Man who keeps her in line as much because he knows it's what she wants as because he likes it. Without a Dom, a sub could never truly blosomm.

SailingBum -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 2:16:25 PM)
Come on folks the power exchange is not that deep. Most ppl do it cuz they enjoi how it makes them feel inside. Not because it's a relgious exp. BadOne

persephonee -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 2:24:21 PM)
whew...saw the post title...saw the most recent response...came to see what badone had to say today...and now im so relieved...rather mild...feelin ok?[;)]

leadership527 -> RE: Sacredness in Ds (9/30/2008 2:32:33 PM)
For me, not so much. I don't tend to parse my world experiences in terms of "sacred", but D/s has definitely been a powerful force in my life. But nowhere near as powerful as marrying my wife to start with. She is the alpha and omega for me... all else is merely the flavor du-jour. If I was going to call anything sacred, it'd be my marriage as a whole, not the authority transfer dynamic within it.

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