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zakkan -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 10:56:33 AM)

Well, he can offer some humour. And I did learn something from him once, albeit something insignificant. 




Dnomyar -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 11:25:07 AM)

Lynnxz just because my point of view is different from someone elses dose'nt mean I don't listen to them. I take in everything that is said to me. If it grates people that I dissagree with them then so be it. Let people think of me what they will. This forum is for people to state their opinions and beliefs. If someone thinks that their way is the only way then you need to get me thrown off of here.




persephonee -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 11:49:13 AM)

~FR~
i have learned things from my 6 yr old. i have taught things to 60 year old men. i dont think the age itself is the issue...i think its the level of emotional maturity that matters.
MR and Whip....have both shown insight into wiitwd...so has D in his own way. Lets not eat each other...hmmm?

peace and pleather

perse




ShiftedJewel -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 2:16:50 PM)

I've been thinking about this for a while... I love being around young people, I really do, and I think it's kept me young as well. I love listening to them (ok, there is a point where I stop listening, but that happens with everyone), I love seeing the world through their eyes and learning their take on issues that really didn't exist when I was young. I am enthralled with young people that take the time to see the world through my eyes as well. But, I'm 50 years old. I love the fact that my husband is 53, I love that I can make comments that would only make sense to someone from my "generation". The world changes constantly, what was amazing to us is common place to 20-somethings. What we felt, learned and understood to be "gospel" in our youth no longer holds water in todays youth.
 
For me, I love talking to and spending time with young people, but to live with, be in a relationship with? Someone close to my age, someone from my "generation". I can relate to anyone. But I don't know that I could have that intimacy with someone a lot younger then me.
 
Jewel




kiwisub12 -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 3:33:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lally3


i think its a mistake to assume that someone of 50 lets say has a greater understanding of BDSM than someone who is 30.  if anything its the older ones who try to pass themselves over as enormously experienced simply because of their age, when in fact their experience levels are no greater than someone 20 years younger than them.




uhh -  I AM enormously experienced and have a greater understanding of bdsm because i am 50!!!!!!!!!
and if any of you young whippersnappers say anything different - i shall put you over my knee! [:D]

i would have no problem playing with older or younger people. The problem i would have would be in making a  24/7 live-in relationship.  People older or younger are in a different place in their lives than i am - i don't want to deal with young children, partying all night or any of the things that i did at those ages. After work i want to go home, eat dinner and zone out with a book or a hobby.  My Sir and i are very comfortable living like this.

It would take an extraordinary dom to shake me out of my comfy little rut, and make me change my mind.




ResidentSadist -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 3:44:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64
…in the connection process … What area of all generations do find it most hard or easy to comunicate with younger doms dommes or older doms dommes  or subs and why are they difficult to talk to or easy

(For the PC, the competitive and fragile egos, understand that “good whipping” is used as a personal expression of mine, not a measure of quality compared to other styles of whipping)

Age does not always equate to experience.  I think experience is the number one communications barrier in getting connected.  I’m not talking about experience as in a measure of time but a frame of reference, attitude, desire and perspective.  It seems that when experience areas and levels are unbalanced and mismatched, one or the other thinks they know what the other person is talking about but they really have no idea because their idea of it so different. 

When I speak of a “good whipping”, I bet someone with only top and bottom experience in public dungeons and second hand information from the local munch has no idea what I have in mind.  They are used to the polite and socially acceptable leather massages they get with fluffy leather pompoms people call floggers.  They’re lucky to have their skin turn pink and get warm to the touch.  It is soft, sensual, erotic and the emotional connections warm and gratifying in a pleasing manner to all that participate and watch.

When I think of a “good whipping”, I’m not talking about something quite so polite.  I’m talking about the kind of thing that hurts to watch but warms your heart to see so much passion and love.  It’s like watching child birth, it commands empathy from all those that view it in a painful celebration of life and love itself.

In a “good whipping” I want to remain emotionally connected and verbally tell them how much I enjoyed beating them or how it makes me feel to have such an impact on their state of mind.  I want to beat them until they are physically and mentally reduced to the raw animal state and experience primal release so intense they breakdown crying tears of joy, pleasure, pain and passion.  I want to push trust and our connection to the edge of their ability.

If I barged into a “good whipping” with a someone unfamiliar to it, then while beating her I explained in detail how attractive she looked under my whip, how it touched my heart that she would bleed for me, how she was such a “good girl” for opening up and asked her to tell me how much she trusted me, demanded she focus on that trust and speak of it while I whipped her, then told her what I was about to do next was really, really going to hurt and it was OK to cry… If I used my personal knowledge about her father/lovers/childhood to touch her heart and show how I cared enough to reach inside her and give her emotional and physical release…  then I looked her in the eye so she could see the love on my face as I hurt in a way she had never felt before…  well, that’s not what some people expect from a “good whipping” and it exceeds the average kinksters fluffy massage etiquette of “it’s all good as long as no one gets hurt”.  It's not what most kinksters want to experience or watch and it drives ‘new age’ dungeon monitors crazy trying to decide if they dare step in and stop the scene as tears, screams and blood flow freely while the crowd is divided into two separate schools of thought…  yet to some with a different area of experience, “it’s not a good whipping if they don’t cry”. 

I have known teenagers that understand a “good whipping” and I know 40 years olds that don’t have a clue yet have twice as much time in the lifestyle.  The 40 year olds aren’t less experienced by measure of time and they lead happy and satisfying lifestyles. But their experience is . . . well, they just aren’t “in my world” and I could never see the logic in getting a massage with a flogger when a good pair of hands are so much more effective.  On the other hand, they could never understand turning a simple erotic act like a whipping into an orgasmic primal scream/cry therapy session.  

Desire, experience… attitude.  If they don’t mesh, no matter what age or how much time you have in, it won’t help you connect if you are from different worlds.  Call it guppies and sharks, gazelles and lions… call it what you will.  Only a narrow mind or competitive ego sees one of those beautiful creatures as better than another.  I just see it as what mixes and matches well with each other in the sea of life.




Real_Trouble -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 3:49:18 PM)

My excessively poor attitude is uncorrelated to my age.

But I would echo the point about 20 years of experience versus one year of experience twenty times; simply being around for a long time grants only that you are old.  Meaningful experience and genuine learning require effort and thought.  I find there are very few people who are actually good at learning; the fact that I find as many people to be obnoxious and stupid when they are old as when they are young seems to be supporting evidence for this view.

Or maybe my excessively poor attitude coming out again.




OttersSwim -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 4:02:12 PM)

Wow...that was really beautifully and expressively written.




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 10:15:14 PM)

i do what i call the five year ten year thing  five years younger ten years older  heres why

i talk about things of the past the 70s and eightes  and alot of people were not born yet in their twenties or to young to remeber  i remeber the moon landing  for crying out lound  i want someoen that identifies with commonialites  not so much mind of intellect you can be a smart ass at any age but to have walked and experinced things that this nation or you as a  individual  this is more of what i mean by generational   identy




sasseeNshy -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 10:28:44 PM)

Many have mentioned attitude...be it at age 20, 40 or 60.  I believe it is a combination of common sense and attitude.......Attitude can be ingrained and/or conditioned as one wishes, common sense, however, cannot be taught, despite the best tutor.




persephonee -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 10:31:53 PM)

*melts*




MadAxeman -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/19/2008 11:07:48 PM)

Dnomyar, if you have never learned anything from a younger person, including the wonderment of children, no amount of education will feed your soul.




susie -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/20/2008 3:04:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadAxeman

Dnomyar, if you have never learned anything from a younger person, including the wonderment of children, no amount of education will feed your soul.


I doubt there is one person in this world who can honestly say they have not learnt something from the younger generation. Listening to children seeing or experiencing things for the first time can give you such a different outlook on life.

When I was in my early 20s I had a relationship with a man in his late 50s. Yes we both had totally different life experiences but we both gained from the relationship. I saw the world differently just by spending time with him and he felt the same. Our breakup was certainly not caused by the age gap and we remained friends for a good while longer.

Open minds realise that there is much to learn from everyone around you. Don't set yourself barriers and risk losing great experiences.




IvyMorgan -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/20/2008 8:06:09 AM)

I was talking about this with a friend last night, and we stumbled upon my doing workshops, and how that's something that you don't see many "younger" (as in, under 25/30) people doing (unless they're the bunny).  The same thing applies to DMing, which is why I got/get treated the way I do at rigs.

Despite what everyone is saying, about how much they love learning from other generations, love talking to them, respect them, and so on...

I DM a club at 22, telling a 35 year old "dom" he can't flog his slave like that because it's dangerous, and I get reported to management for "interferring".

I ciriticse anything I see in a workshop/class on a safety ground, at 23, and it's a case of "what do you know?" defensive replies.

I work on a rig, and I have poeple explaining to me, why there are cages, what they are used for, how they enhance atmosphere, and so on.

The number of times I have been dismissed *because* of my age, and supposed therefore inexperience, or worse, patronised because of this, is many.  And the "oh but we have so much to learn from each other" attitude just doesn't translate to the real world of WIITWD, *in my experience*.  Maybe it's different online, because you can't see someone's age in the text they write?




christine1 -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/20/2008 8:26:06 AM)

i have friends who are young enough to be my kids and others that are old enough to be my parents.  what gives?  while i am attracted to older men, that doesnt' stop me from having friends of any age.  maybe i'm just not getting it, there are great people in every age group....age is a number and i happen to really suck at math.




corsetgirl -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/20/2008 10:07:30 AM)

Whiplash:

You really hit the nail on the head when it comes to connection with others.  Age certainly has nothing to do with it when this is about relating to people.  I can talk to various people of different ages and have no problem in getting along with others be it if they are 85 years old or 25 years old. 

I have a friend that I have known for 25+ years and she is 12 years younger than me and we talk a lot about different subjects including politics.  She may vote one way and I may vote for another.  We can also disagree on certain areas but we have never personally attacked each other.  She asks for my opinions on certain areas; however, she is the one who makes her decisions. 

As a substitute teacher, I also like to go to high school and if there is a free time, ask students their opinions on current events.  They are very smart and saavy, more so than when I was in high school, which was a long time ago.  There are good and bad people in every generation; however, I don't believe it is the age but the attitudes, experience, and wisdom.

I would also have no problem working with someone who is younger than me, either because they may have some things to teach me regarding the future.




OttersSwim -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/20/2008 11:16:46 AM)

I have a friend who views it as "long thoughts" vs. "short thoughts"

This is not to say that brilliance or depth cannot come out of someone who is younger, but the tendency is to think shorter thoughts because they have not had the same context of experience and time as someone who is older.




AcademyForSlaves -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/20/2008 9:47:11 PM)

Hi.

I know a Mistress that likes young slaves. She says they're easy to mold and not so set in their ways like older slaves but for me it depends on the slave and not the age so much. Some are better at obeying and serving while others can be more selfish and only want their fetish. I like a slave that wants to do whatever I want and gets his kinks seeing me happy. I don't care what age he is.




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/20/2008 10:23:52 PM)

um that is myth  very much abig one  you can learn at any age  

but to the other part i would not want to hang around with anyone under 25 have nothing in common   they view things a lot idfferently  values morals and the whole ball of wax  work ethics education and even social activity    thats not a great bonding process with out those things sorry  just the way it is  i do not want to live a second midlife  thingy i am who i am i rock with it yep 
:)




susie -> RE: THe Older Younger and what ever generations (9/21/2008 1:56:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

um that is myth  very much abig one  you can learn at any age  

but to the other part i would not want to hang around with anyone under 25 have nothing in common   they view things a lot idfferently  values morals and the whole ball of wax  work ethics education and even social activity    thats not a great bonding process with out those things sorry  just the way it is  i do not want to live a second midlife  thingy i am who i am i rock with it yep 
:)


What a shame you are so close minded and do not see that you are missing the opportunity to learn from other people just as they can learn from you.

Open your mind a little.




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