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Thadius -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 3:16:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub


Thadius... your quoted statement was all I was commenting on.. people can easily read all your statements. Long multiple quoted statements get hard to follow.

Butch


Yet the part of my statement that you left out was actually on topic... therefore you presented a misrepresentation of what I was saying.




kdsub -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 3:24:50 PM)

Sanity... Clinton left office with a healthy economy...and a vastly reduced national debt... how are those things now...If Republicans knew all along that Clinton's legislation was wrong then why did they not change it?

You have beat that energy bit to death.. it is your answer for everything... even though those fields if opened today would only supply a very small percentage of our needs.... Plenty of blame to go around...remember the Republicans had control for many years...and refused to compromise  or do anything about  alternative energy...Can't blame the energy crisis on just the Democrates alone...plenty of bribes by big oil on both sides of congress.


Butch




kdsub -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 3:27:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: kdsub


Thadius... your quoted statement was all I was commenting on.. people can easily read all your statements. Long multiple quoted statements get hard to follow.

Butch


Yet the part of my statement that you left out was actually on topic... therefore you presented a misrepresentation of what I was saying.


No I was commenting on your Off Topic part..... I reserve the right to comment on whatever part of your post I choose.

Butch




popeye1250 -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 3:51:49 PM)

Slvemike, if you're 40 years old and a U.S. Citizen you're "qualified" to be president.
And, in *our government* it's not about "leading" the American People, it's about *serving* the American People.
I don't understand what some people are talking about when they mention "leadership" and politics in the same sentance.
I don't want to be "lead" by anyone in my government! That's not their job anyway!
And, I fail to see how having a degree or more than one and then sitting at a desk for years would make anyone a "leader."
I reserve using the word "leader" for the military not for businesses or beauracracies.
In some people's minds *Abraham Lincoln* wouldn't be "qualified" to be president today!




slvemike4u -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 3:54:24 PM)

Okay allow me to rephrase my question,which of the apologists for Sen.McCain can actually make an argument for Gov.Palin to hold a national office...take the presidency off the table...This woman is not qualified to hold a sub cabinet position far less be a heart beat away.And since those from the other side of the aisle keep bringing Obama into this ...let me be clear the process placed Obama at the head of the Democratic ticket...McCain's non existant vetting has placed this "hockey mom" on a national stage...can anyone defend her soley on her merits...please I await the rationalizations




Sanity -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 4:07:00 PM)


No, I haven't beat it to death. The leadership we need will see the real problem with the economy... and I wish that it were just oil production that the Dems have been blocking! But they're blocking energy production from every major energy sector there is for their friends the Greens.

They block nuclear power, specifically Harry Reid is almost single handedly blocking Yucca Mountain... Dems are blocking coal and shale exploration and production. Natural gas wells, lead and copper mining for the production of  batteries and wire. Opening new refineries. Offshore wind farms, new and even existing hydroelectric dams... not to mention offshore drilling off every state off each coast and in Alaska!

Inflation is hurting everyone, and the primary cause for inflation today is higher energy costs. What new energy production do Democrats back? Wind and solar? That's not nearly enough, and people are beyond starting to feel the pinch.

This energy crisis is becoming critical! Don't you feel it yet? Democratic leadership isn't what we need, that's the last thing we need, because we need energy and the Dems refuse to allow industry to provide it.


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Sanity... Clinton left office with a healthy economy...and a vastly reduced national debt... how are those things now...If Republicans knew all along that Clinton's legislation was wrong then why did they not change it?

You have beat that energy bit to death.. it is your answer for everything... even though those fields if opened today would only supply a very small percentage of our needs.... Plenty of blame to go around...remember the Republicans had control for many years...and refused to compromise  or do anything about  alternative energy...Can't blame the energy crisis on just the Democrates alone...plenty of bribes by big oil on both sides of congress.


Butch




popeye1250 -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 4:13:10 PM)

Slvemike, that's an easy one!
She's a *Governor*.
Governors *always* trump Senators.
It's like on a chess board, the governor is the rook or knight and senators are..... bishops.
Plus if McCain were to flop and she became president the socialists in "Hollywood" would be dropping like flies! lol
Lou Grant Actor keels over...;" "George Clooney gets sex change......;"
"Barbara Streisand holds 4 hostages at gunpoint, police attempting to establish communications..........;
"George Soros found dead from self-inflicted gunshot wound." ("Hey! Wasn't he *against* the second amendment?")
"All four Baldwin brothers move to eastern Europe!"
"Rosie O'Dumbo found dead in kitchen surrounded by 36 empty "Sara Lee" cake boxes, Opra Winfrey's fingerprints found at scene."
It'd be awful entertaining!
And as for blocking energy developement they could'nt put totally clean windmills off the coast of Massachusetts because that plan was stopped by,...Ted Kennedy and John Kerry because the windmills would; "spoil their view."




slvemike4u -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 4:39:04 PM)

Popeye all kidding aside I do expect our "leaders" to have a clear and encompassing world view beyond the bumper sticker slogan"Drill baby drill"...or something more than the now infamous I can see Russia from Alaska thingamajig..Now if the American voter elects to overlook this womans obvious shortcomings and celebrate instead her ability to field dress a moose..we are all in a world of shit!!!! And we can all thank Mr.Country First McCain.




Thadius -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 4:48:22 PM)

Mike,

I am curious.  Using your logic, would not the McCain/Palin ticket winning the general election be exactly the same credentials (only under a stricter microscope) as those you state the top of the other ticket has?  Vetting by the media and the American people and by a lot large portion of those people. [;)]

As always,
Thadius

P.S. Welcome back to the world of active posting.




LotusSong -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 5:00:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Since John McCain in his infinite wisdom had decided to put forward Gov.Palin has his #2 on the Republican ticket I was curious how many here believe she is qualified to be President on day one.Please none of the usual "more than Obama is"replies....Obama was chosen by the nominating process...Palin is McCain selection pure and simple.it will be interesting to see how many believe this heretofore unknown is Presidential material(I know this thread is a little late,but I have hd some "awaiting approval"problems and it is what it is)


I got this in my mail today... musing on this very question....

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this
straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii, are raised by your grandparents,
you're "exotic" and "different." If
you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you are the
quintessential American story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic
Muslim. If you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track,
you're a maverick.

If you graduate from Harvard law School, you are
unstable.·If you attend five different small colleges
before graduating, you're well grounded.

If you spend three years as a community organizer, become
the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review, create a
voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters,
spend twelve years as a constitutional law professor, spend
eight years as a state senator representing a district with
more than 750,000 people, become chairman of your state
senate's Health and Human Services Committee, spend four
years in the United States Senate representing a state of
thirteen million people while sponsoring 131 bills and
serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment, Public Works
and Veterans Affairs committees, you don't have any real
leadership experience.

If your total resume consists of local weatherman, four
years on the city council and six years as the mayor of a
town with fewer than 7,000 people, twenty months as the
governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then
you're qualified to become the country's second
highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for nineteen
years while raising two daughters, all within protestant
churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife (with a rich heiress) and
subsequently left your disfigured wife and married the
heiress the following month, you're a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age-appropriate sex education,
including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding
the fiber of society.

If, while governor, you staunchly advocate "abstinence
only," and dismiss the instruction of all other sex
education options in your state's school system, and
then your unwed, teenage daughter becomes pregnant,
you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard-graduate lawyer who gave up a
position in a prestigious law firm to work for the
betterment of her inner city community, who then gave that
up to raise a family, your family's values don't
represent America's.

If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude,"
possesses at least one DWI conviction and no college
education, didn't register to vote until age 25 and was
once a member of a group advocating the secession of Alaska
from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.






slvemike4u -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 5:02:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Mike,

I am curious.  Using your logic, would not the McCain/Palin ticket winning the general election be exactly the same credentials (only under a stricter microscope) as those you state the top of the other ticket has?  Vetting by the media and the American people and by a lot large portion of those people. [;)]

As always,
Thadius

P.S. Welcome back to the world of active posting.
Why Thank you Mr. Thadius for the welcome back....as to your question,I would ask this does 60 days equate to a year and a half? Does the Obama Biden ticket have an abuse of power investigation hanging over its head.?Has the leadership of the Democratic party declared the "elitist media" to be the enemy?.Why is Mrs.Palin's exposure to questioning deemed to risky to the Republican leadership?...and when asked tough questions why is the media than labeled attacking?....when did average become the level we seek? ....Should not the American public expect,no demand that their elected officials can handle a somewhat mild interview?...without looking like the proverbial "moose" in the headlights...when was average good enough?




popeye1250 -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 5:05:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Popeye all kidding aside I do expect our "leaders" to have a clear and encompassing world view beyond the bumper sticker slogan"Drill baby drill"...or something more than the now infamous I can see Russia from Alaska thingamajig..Now if the American voter elects to overlook this womans obvious shortcomings and celebrate instead her ability to field dress a moose..we are all in a world of shit!!!! And we can all thank Mr.Country First McCain.


Sorry Slvemike but to me "world view" = "Foreign Aid" and just more interventionism.
The "Fed" just garaunteed an $85B loan for AIG, we won't be able to be paying for "aids in Africa" and tens of billions of Taxpayer dollars to more than 130 foreign countries.
All things that the socialist Obama wants to "increase", with *Our money!*
What makes Obama "qualified" to be president anyway? He's a lawyer for God's sake and a socialist!
Not good management material!




cyberdude611 -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 5:07:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SophiaCorrupted

I think it's very odd that the GOP doesn't see the difference between someone with little executive experience being chosen by the populace and someone with little experience being chosen purely to get votes.

By the same logic that people who say Obama isn't ready to lead, McCain is essentially endangering our country in an attempt to get votes. Scum.



And Biden wasnt chosen for political reasons?

Obama picked Biden because he thought it would improve his lack of experience in foreign policy. The lack of that experience was a major criticism of his campaign.




CarrieO -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 5:11:28 PM)

LotusSong...

Thanks for posting that....now I can make sure a few others recieve it in their mailboxes!

carrie




kdsub -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 5:55:38 PM)

 Sanity....Your oversimplifying again...remember the Republicans had the congress and Presidency.... they could have enacted any program they wanted on energy...what did they do...NOT a damn thing.

You can't lay all blame on one party alone...It is in fact our fault because we did not demand action...every time the gas goes high we squeal like pigs...but as soon as the price drops so does our will to pay for alternative energy research and development.

Its not the political parties fault...but ours.

Butch




Thadius -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 6:02:02 PM)

Butch,

Any proposed lifting of the moratorium was threatened with filibuster... so were any bills about refineries.  It is now being thrown around like a hot potatoe to score points.

The fact is that we need to drill more, open more refineries, and invest in all of the alternative energies.  I don't care what party gets credit for it, it just needs to get done.

Edited to change carry to care.. There is a bit of a difference and it didn't make sense the other way.




kdsub -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 6:03:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Butch,

Any proposed lifting of the moratorium was threatened with filibuster... so were any bills about refineries.  It is now being thrown around like a hot potatoe to score points.

The fact is that we need to drill more, open more refineries, and invest in all of the alternative energies.  I don't carry what party gets credit for it, it just needs to get done.


In this we agree

Butch




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 6:05:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

The only reason Obama won the democratic nomination is because people bought in to his BS "change" crap. It had nothing to do with his qualifications. Hilliary was FAR more qualified than Obama and half the Democratic party agreed.

Keep in mind that if Obama wins, there is no time for a training period. We got two wars. The country is on the brink of recession. And we will have the Democrats with the White House and big majorities in both Houses. They cant blame Bush and the GOP anymore. If they dont turn the country around by 2010, the Democrats will be looking at some massive election losses.

So Obama better be as smart and qualified as he says he is. If he turns out to be Jimmy Carter Jr......You are going to see another Reagan landslide in 2012.
Two wars and the brink of recession. So you admit the Neocons have run this once-great nation into the toilet, and you want them to WIN????

What's that famous definition of insanity, friends? [8D]




corysub -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 11:05:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

So wait, you want folks to ignore the top of one ticket, and ask that question about the second seat on the other?

Okay, I will just put it in perspective.

2 years as Gov., 6 years as mayor, 6 years on city council.  Is she ready to lead?  It seems she already has lead.

What credentials did Teddy Roosevelt have when he became a vp nomination?


There is a difference between lead...and lead well… Just look at Bush for that lesson.  There seems to be much debate about her integrity and knowledge.

Butch


There is significant debate about the integrity, knowledge, AND leadership ability of Barack Obama, the guy at the TOP of the democat ticket.  The man has no record of leadership on his resume'...while Palin has been a leader on the most local "activist" level of mayor of a small town, and Governor of Alaska.  She was also an "activist" member of the PTA devoting herself towards achieving a better education for her children and her neighbors children.  Barack has not shown any leadership as a legislator and no one can mention those fantastic bills he led through the Illinois legislature or Senate of the United States that "changed" our lives for the better....since none exist! 

The debate about Palin is fueled by a liberal press while the debate about Obama and his qualification to lead our country is among the people.

If this man that no one knows is elected President he will be the most inexperienced and unproven leader of America in a hundred years or more... The only thing that Barack has proven is that he has "words...just words"!




Bethnai -> RE: Qualified to lead? (9/16/2008 11:59:58 PM)

Just between you and me, I don't think Palin is qualified to run around the block. I believe I have kept that in check on the boards. Having said that, none of these people are qualified for this office and you know what? They never are.

Its quite dandy to sit and discuss what we are told to discuss and debate what we are given to debate.

Here are the facts: We live in an empire. That is exactly what we are in. We rock. We have the best military and the best weapons. We have shit that nobody has............and isn't that sexy? We don't do shit for policing, we do it cause we can. We are bad as hell.  We have whats called client-states. Its the reason people throw a shit fit over international law and the 99 reasons that they don't have to pay no mind.

We are an empire. It will fall. They all do. I hope it doesn't fall while I am here. I hope it doesn't fall while my um is still eligible to fight over corporate cash that he will never get back.

I do not care what you (general) think you have backing you........its international. Your stepping into a lot more shit then the domestic crap that can only be fixed by crap that most people, in theory, are educated enough to recognize can't be controlled by that position. You are beyond nation wide. You are international.

Edited to add: I don't know if anyone is paying attention but the SC is at least willing to acknowledge that there are financial repercussions for not paying attention. They know that other countries can enforce sanctions and such. The EU is where we were financially at the inception of this country.




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