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Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 10:34:43 AM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		This previous summer, I had the pleasure of getting involved with someone I met via these forums that unfortunately and fortunately recently came to an end.

I say "unfortunately", because I am gonna miss her and wish things had gone differently. She is one of the few people I have met in the last 2 and a half years that I had a lot of chemistry with on multiple levels and really stirred something up deep down inside of me by just being herself.

I say "fortunately", because the experience of getting involved with me and the realities of being "Owned" and having a dominant male in her life led her to learn more about herself. What she learned was that she needed autonomy, control and independence in her life and couldn't find fulfillment being under the authority of another. I was disappointed to hear this, because she had that worshipful and submissive "part" of her that I crave, but unfortunately power-based relationships aren't for everyone and even if the desire is there, being able to handle the reality is a different story. I don't have any ill will toward her and don't think she is a "fake", "wannabe", "tourist" or any of the other derogatory comments that get thrown boards like these in reference to people who are trying to figure themselves out.

I consider myself to be fortunate, because I am someone who knows exactly what he wants without doubt or question. A power dynamic is something that I "need" in my intimate relationships. Not just because of my personality and need to have authority in my intimate relationships, but because the expressions of dominance and submission are a gateway to intimacy that have touched me on a level like nothing else. Not to say that other forms of intimacy and relationships are inferior, but rather this is the kind of music that is in harmony with my own.

It wasn't always like that though. I had a lot of doubts in the beginning and I have wavered and sought other kinds of relationships when the search for a compatible partner became bleak and overwhelming. But through experiences, I came to fully understand who I am and what I need. I am quite certain I will probably spend the rest of my days searching for the right connection and with that, this "thing" that I "need" to be "me". I'm quite happy being alone in it's absence.

What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?




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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 10:46:35 AM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		I have come to understand, both over the past 15 years of active BDSM and over the past 7 years of owning a 24/7 slave, that many of the behaviors I choose to exhibit are pretty much socially incompatible with many of the goals I choose to pursue.

I am a Dominant, and yet I am not a confident man. I am small, wiry and thin, painfully intellectual, and deeply empathic, and yet I want the sort of pretty little fluff-girls that typically prefer men who work out, posture dominantly, and party hard. I am brutally honest about my ethical and social shortcomings with everyone I meet, and yet I want people to like me.

Ultimately, I've come to the realization that if I have to choose between who I am and what I want, I'll choose who I am every time. I may not be confident, but I will not permit myself to be a coward.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 10:53:11 AM   
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Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?

No, my needs now are the same as when i first came to Bdsm. However in between then and now there was a stage of completely different needs. I didn't want love, friendship, to be needed, to need. I just wanted periods of 24 hour service where he controlled everything and gave me severe beatings.
 
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If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?

The change from relationship to non - relationship came about because i got badly hurt and didn't feel able to sustain a relationship. The change back came from feeling ready to give my heart again.
 
Think i might be about to do a u turn again though


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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 11:07:16 AM   
Roselaure


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the post, MR.  I've though a lot lately about what I want, because for most of my life I've had no idea what I wanted.  I came to this thing in the same way I have come to a lot of things over the years, curious, inquisitive and seeking.  Almost imediately I felt a sense of rightness, a fit that I have never known before.  Over the past few months I've learned more about what I want and what I don't want, but I know more clearly than I have ever known anything that I want a relationship under a strong authority dynamic. I'm somewhat flexible on exactly how that happens, but at least now I recognize it when I see it.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 11:13:03 AM   
YourhandMyAss


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Status: offline 		Yes. What I want and need is VASTLY different in some ways than those needs and wants when I started. And how did I learn this you may ask? Well I experinced a lot and grew a lot and learned a lot from what I went through and I gained a ton of knowledge about the inner workings of me, and what inner workings of me  need to be happy, what will work and won't work and will cause happyness or unhappyness, And I tried never to do those things that were destined to cause me unhappyness in my kinky choices, and in life.  And if I did fail and do something I suspected would be a disaster, hoping it'd be diffrent this time, after a second chance, that subject will not get any more chances.

For instance I know I am very out going and not shy or secretive at all about my involvement in bdsm, And I love to go to bdsm clubs and events, and so I need someone who's the same way, And I am  wired to enjoy sex play with multiple people but  in the end when it's all said and done and sex play is over an we all go home to our own homes, I want us to be the only two people in this commited relationship, And how'd I find that out? Well I was / have been in / am in, a relationship with people that didn't allow me to play with other people, have 3 somes or any of the other stuff I thought was fun and I found it stiffling and unrewarding. I also find it a bit unrewarding to have someone think my basic kinky interests slash sexuality isn't acceptible.

So, now in the future I will pick people who feel the same way I do, to date and become seriously involved with. I also need to see my partner regularly several times a week, So I will not pick someone who's long distance.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?




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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 12:13:09 PM   
patina


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Status: offline 		When i was introduced to this lifestyle about 6 yrs ago i only knew i liked that the man was very dominant over me.  I spent 6 months in a training collar and now know for sure this is what i want.  i was happiest when he had me at his feet chained and controlling me. 

That is not to say i am to be trampled on, i am spirited enough to need to voice an opinion but willing to conceed to him in all ways.  i have learned that long distance, and poly are not for me though. 

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 12:41:12 PM   
candystripper


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Status: offline 		Well, I don't need as much as I once did to 'know' what everyone else is doing.  It's okay with me now if you get off having grapefruit tossed at you, and in no other way.  Doesn't mean I won't like you...I don't have to have a copy of the handbook.
 
Lately I've been getting used to the idea that while I still want/need monogomay and permanence, it may not be what I once thought it was.  It is not the same thing to say 'till death do us part' at 20 as it is at 50.
 
I've grown used to the idea that people change...situations change..life changes.  It doesn't seem like an invading force anymore.  It seems like a fable, a magical tale.
 
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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 12:57:20 PM   
batshalom


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?


~giving MR a solid pat on the shoulder~ Good job.

What I want and need now is very different than what I wanted and needed as a young woman. It isn't a change in the desire to submit but rather in the manner I can submit. I don't try to force myself or the other person into a situation that doesn't work, I am highly aware of my worth, and I embrace that I am extremely independent without much preference for being at someone's feet all day every day. I used to think, as many new subs do, that it made me less of a submissive. It was confusing. How could I be such a cunt but need - truly need - to submit to a man who is stronger than I?

As a younger woman, I wanted and needed to be adored. I needed reassured much more often than I need it or want it now. That, though, is advanced decripitude creeping in - maturity, the process of aging, growing, and changing. It's much more comfortable (for me). I don't need to be the apple of my Sir's eye, I don't need to speak with him every day (I've got my own life) and I feel comfortable in expressing a desire for solitude if he calls / comes by when I would rather be alone. (Of course, the answer is often "too bad" ... but I am always free to express myself openly if I am polite about it).

When the answer is 'too bad" or if I get another similar response to something else I want, I don't waste time huffing about it or worrying any more with it. In my old age I have also learned grace and acceptance - he is the Dominant, I am the sub, so if he wanted me to dye my hair purple or make some sort of spectacle of myself, I would do so without argument. (I haven't always been the easiest of subs, so this is a pretty big change over time, even though the pace has been at a crawl over the course of years.)

I have found a relationship that gives me enough freedom and gives me enough structure, and I don't need or want more than that. Sometimes I think it might be nice to have someone to cuddle up against at night, but then I remember I'm a bedhog, and I also remember I like to sleep ON the bed IN the middle, sprawled out, and that I really hate being ordered to the floor with no pillow or covers. Heh. Give and take - no sweat. It's al good.

There are more changes on the horizon, I know. Some of those changes will be hard, some easy, bu tall propelling me in some different direction. Who knows - maybe I'll wind up a crazy old cat lady one of these days; but if I do, it will be because it's a natural progression of change.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 1:27:43 PM   
catize


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Status: offline 		As I’ve mentioned more than once, I started out as a masochistic bottom.  At the time I considered myself submissive but the truth was that I only wanted sensation play.  A prospective play partner once summed me up rather well when he said that my attitude was “so many whips, so little time.” 
The idea of submission still appealed to me.  I began to read and to talk on line to people who are in D/s relationships.  A lot of wonderful folks shared with me their thoughts and what worked for them.
I’m not sure at what point I started to try, but I do know exactly the moment I began to understand it. 
I developed my own philosophy about what D/s means to me; it has gone through several revisions as I have gained experience.
I still like and want sensation play. I have learned that being with a sadistic top is great fun, but there is not a sustainable connection without the element of D/s. 
As fulfilling as submission is for me, I have limitations.  I am not a ‘natural’ and some parts of it continue to be a struggle.  I can say that the struggle has its own appeal.
Luckily for me, both the D.’s in my life are more than happy with those parameters, as neither one of them desire more. S. maintains that for the “right” dominant my limitations would disappear.  I probably will never find out. 
 
   

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 1:39:31 PM   
daddysprop247


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?





from the very first moments i discovered D/s as a lifestyle, i knew that i wanted and absolutely needed to be a slave. i knew that my life would only have purpose and be complete if i were in a relationship with a man who had total authority and complete power over me, where my choice to be owned would be my final choice, and where my fate would lie in his hands from that point forward. and now, 8 and a half yrs after entering the lifestyle, i am a slave and have been for all but a few months of that time. there were no moments of confusion over this path, though of course there were moments of wondering if i could be strong enough for it.

the most significant change between what i thought i wanted/needed when i first learned of the lifestyle, and what i know i want and need now, would be love. i knew i needed to be property, but i never envisioned being loved and valued property. i never in my wildest dreams would of guess that my Owner would or could also be my soulmate. i suppose i had some of those typical ideas of M/s at the time...slavery and love just don't mix. at best i hoped to one day have a Master who was compassionate, and would be kind to me at times. but nothing approaching love, that wasn't something i felt i needed. but i was wrong. very, very wrong. :)




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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 2:37:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I touched on this briefly in another post recently; what I thought I wanted and needed is a hell of a lot different than the relationship that I have that is so fulfilling and rewarding.  What I thought I needed was just socialized dogma and had little to do with what I need to be fulfilled.

I wanted a monogamous relationship.  I had no desire to be a mom because I didn't want to change my life and take on that responsibility.  Now what I want and need is to be a part of this family.

When I first started learning about D/s relationships I did not want to give someone else complete authority over my life.  Today I could not imagine living any other way with him; interacting in a different way with him would mean that I would have to be something that I am not.

What changed my mind was meeting my Lord.  He had the character that I admire and that I wanted in a partner and the more I learned about who he was and his ideas and thoughts on relationships the more I wanted to be his.  It took several months of soul searching because it meant giving up on many of the things that I thoughts were necessary. 

Even after I decided that this is what I wanted, it took quite a bit of work on both our parts to get rid of the beliefs that I held that were destructive to our relationship.  It wasn't easy and there were times I thought I made the wrong choice.  But now almost four years later, I couldn't be happier.  It just flows so smoothly with the three of us and I am really enjoying the responsibility of having kids around.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 2:37:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		My needs/wants/desires have changed. When I began exploring and throughout the years on/off it was just to satisfy the physical urges primarily while letting someone else have some control. I had no interest in being a slave, falling in love, being in a committed or TPE relationship. At this point, being a slave and in a TPE relationship is so much better than I could have imagined.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 2:45:48 PM   
IvyMorgan


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?


I'm really struggling to find the words to answer this.

I'm not sure if what I need now is any different to what I needed when I started, but what I'm looking for has changed.  And the way I look at myself has changed too.  I'm more comfortable with the idea of being "just" a bottom most of the time, I'm aware now that I'm probably not the most likely candidate for being a "submissive", that, even though this is what I want some of the time, it's going to take a fair while before I find the right fit for me.

I think in learning more accurately who I am, I'm becoming more able to identify what it is that I need, and admitting that that was what I wanted/needed all alone I just wasn't aware of it.

The more time I spend on the scene and meeting people, the more things I know are possible, and the more things I have to consider and think about.  I had experience before I was out on the scene, it wasn't great in terms of happy-happy-joy-joy, and it's coloured how I view things.  The more time I spend with other people, the more my vision is corrected.

So, what I want is different because I'm getting to know myself better, and accept myself, and not judge myself.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 3:00:56 PM   
hiswetness


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Status: offline 		When i first started...i was curious.  i knew i was drawn to the rough sex and kink of the lifestyle.  i have a strong personality and in my vanilla life, i have more of a Domme personality than sub or slave.  i have been on both sides...Domme and sub in my journey.  i never thought i would be "extreme" or even consider myself a slave....i am much too independent for that.  Then...my Daddy walked into my life.  He quenched my spirit in a way i never thought possible.  He has helped me to see who and what i really am.  i am truly his slave and he maintains control over me i NEVER thought i would give to someone.  Years ago i would never believed i would have given someone everything i am and let them have true control over me.  But, here i am and i wouldn't change a thing!!!


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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 3:45:29 PM   
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quote:

What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?


"You only need to breathe if you want to live." 

What this means to me is that our needs and wants will build upon each other.  Growing into adulthood I didn't have all these dark fantasies or even deep desires to dominate a person.  In fact, I was rather practical and started with a more general idea IE.. "I want to be happy" and filled the details as life went.  I wan't someone that date or chased girls in my high school or college years.  In fact, being in a relationship was not something that I wanted.  There was a time that I even considered priesthood and actually took a different path because I decided that I wanted to have a intimate relationship to find happiness.  In deciding that I wanted an intimate relationship, I seeked within myself of what kind of relationship that suited the type of person I was.   It was pretty clear to me that I needed what many considered a more traditional or 50's style of relationship.  So, considering the type of relationship I wanted.. I need to consider what kinda of partner would best be suited for that.  I was very fortuante to have come across Alandra.  She complimented me very much in desiring a very similiar dyanmic.  But... she also brought a few surprizes with her as well that affected the choices I was going to make in the future.  The most significant was evolving and going to a poly lifestyle.

I can spend days and days upon telling you my lifes story.  How I evolved from the young adult I was to where I am today.  The fact is that I have a desire to live a full and happy life and I will continue to make choices that make that happen.  I can't tell you what tomorrow is going to bring.  As I said before, I believe that our path is something we see in the review mirror and ahead of us we have a world of possibilities.  Some we can forsee and many we don't.   I can't say that I have actually changed what I wanted.  I still today want to live a happy fullfilled life no less than I want to over 30 years ago.  How I am achieving that is far from any thing I was thinking about or imagining in some levels... but very expected considering some of the key choices I made.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 4:02:55 PM   
MadRabbit


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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

I have come to understand, both over the past 15 years of active BDSM and over the past 7 years of owning a 24/7 slave, that many of the behaviors I choose to exhibit are pretty much socially incompatible with many of the goals I choose to pursue.

I am a Dominant, and yet I am not a confident man. I am small, wiry and thin, painfully intellectual, and deeply empathic, and yet I want the sort of pretty little fluff-girls that typically prefer men who work out, posture dominantly, and party hard. I am brutally honest about my ethical and social shortcomings with everyone I meet, and yet I want people to like me.

Ultimately, I've come to the realization that if I have to choose between who I am and what I want, I'll choose who I am every time. I may not be confident, but I will not permit myself to be a coward.


I'm sorry to see you getting down on yourself.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 4:05:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks to everyone who replied with such personal and deep admissions from their lives. It was pleasure to read all of them.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 5:29:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?




My wants and needs have not changed.  The path I've chosen is to stop actively "searching" as I may have unwittingly allowed myself to get sucked into what I feel is an almost crazed obssession to find that special someone or "else".  I think that's when I decided to step back a bit and I'm happily enjoying being single.  Yes, I miss certain aspects of D/s and BDSM (who wouldn't?) but not so much that I'll jump into a relationship. 





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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 6:45:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?

Yes... very different in many ways, but then I'm a very different person.

quote:

If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?

I'm no longer the same person, the things that drove me then are no longer part of me.  I've found that the fetishes and impulses that seemed so appealing then simply no longer are.  Interestingly, much of this lifestyle no longer appeals to me.  The extremes that others seem drawn to more frequently repell me.  Ironically, I feel more dominant than ever and I'd say that has a far wider expression now than ever it did.  But the desires and ways I feel drawn to express that dominance have changed considerably.

Years ago I was like fire... full of anger, passion, fury... capable of being destructive and self destructive.  Today I feel more like water... calmer, cooler, with a kind of gradual inevitability that can wear away even a mountain given time.

Funny how your perspective can change, and your world with it.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 7:34:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?

In the sense that my desires have evolved, yes. Over time, I have learned more and more about what I do and do not like (for instance, I am far more into power exchange than just sensation play. Sensation play can be fantastic, but for me it is nothing without power exchange), but the "core" of what I want and need has stayed pretty stable.

If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?

I suppose because it just feels right. :)

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suffer some misery,
if you want my love.'
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