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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 8:49:30 PM   
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Figured out what I was a long time ago, but damned if I've figured out what to do with it yet.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 9:24:43 PM   
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I am brand new into the BDSM culture and so as one who is new to this, I want to say "Thank You" to you for being willing to go through a relationship with someone and allow them to learn and grow and change.  This is something that I think is very precious as you are exposing yourself to hurt and potential loss for the benefit of another as they explore this whole thing and integrate it (or not) into their life.

Karma brings things around and I sincerely hope your love and acceptance and subsequent loss brings something wonderful around to you.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 9:37:28 PM   
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Hi MR, great thread.

One of the reasons my last relationship ended was because I ceased to thrive.  My needs (and by needs in this context I mean those things which would allow me to thrive, rather than simply exist) evolved in a direction that were much different than when I began the relationship.  He could not fill those needs, as they contradicted major parts of his life.  Conversely, I could no longer give him what he wanted from me, because I was too often feeling like something was lacking, and the situation became something that made me quite depressed.  He ultimately made the painful decision (painful for both of us) to let me go, so that I could pursue what I felt would bring me happiness.

I mentioned in another post recently that it used to not matter to me if I was loved or felt love from someone, as long as I could express the love I feel for that person.  That worked well in my last relationship for a long time, but over time my ability to express my love was limited by him, and in addition to that, I grew to need to be loved in return, in a way he could not provide.

This need/desire of mine grew as a result of my own life issues over the last few years, and as a result of learning more about myself and how I want to live out my life.  There is an abundance of love in the world and I want some of it!  The difficulty is when you have to let go of something (or someone) you love dearly in order to move forward.  This was something I was unable to do on my own, and likely would have compromised myself a lot longer had he not let me go of his own accord. 

So now I am figuring "me" out.  I've been talking to someone new, who came into my life quite by surprise, and being very honest about my inability to make any commitment to anyone until I work some things out which I have to do on my own.  Therefore, I am placing no expectations on him or the situation and have suggested he place no expectations on me, as well.   I suppose with life being a process, we're always figuring ourselves out in some way or another.  Right now I'm spending a lot of energy on that, which is difficult but overall a very good thing.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 9:44:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

I am brand new into the BDSM culture and so as one who is new to this, I want to say "Thank You" to you for being willing to go through a relationship with someone and allow them to learn and grow and change.  This is something that I think is very precious as you are exposing yourself to hurt and potential loss for the benefit of another as they explore this whole thing and integrate it (or not) into their life.

Karma brings things around and I sincerely hope your love and acceptance and subsequent loss brings something wonderful around to you.



While I do appreciate the kind words, they are somewhat undeserving, because my motives in pursuing this relationship with this girl were purely selfish and about my own self fulfillment. I didn't do it because I wanted her to have an opportunity to explore the lifestyle. I did it because I liked her and I thought she could be someone who could (and did) make me happy.

Is there more risk with someone who is relatively new in comparison to someone who has had the experiences and developed security in her identity that the investment of time and energy might not generate the desired result? Of course, but that's pretty much just a pragmatic fact I have to accept when dating in my demographic. Not many people between the ages of 21-25 are going to have all the answers to the big introspective questions.

Besides, regardless of the experience one has, we're all growing and changing entities and what we might want now might not be the same as we want 5 years from now. The point being that anyone who thinks themselves safe from the possible loss of a partner taking their lives in a different path not in sync with our own is a fool and not in touch with reality. When that reality hits, we can either put our big boy and girl pants and attempt to maturely accept it for what it is or piss and moan about "wannabes who are wasting our precious time".

I also think that people who choose partners for intimate relationships with the BDSM resume succeeding connection as the crucial prerequisite are really missing out.


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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 9:52:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Hi MR, great thread.

One of the reasons my last relationship ended was because I ceased to thrive.  My needs (and by needs in this context I mean those things which would allow me to thrive, rather than simply exist) evolved in a direction that were much different than when I began the relationship.  He could not fill those needs, as they contradicted major parts of his life.  Conversely, I could no longer give him what he wanted from me, because I was too often feeling like something was lacking, and the situation became something that made me quite depressed.  He ultimately made the painful decision (painful for both of us) to let me go, so that I could pursue what I felt would bring me happiness.

I mentioned in another post recently that it used to not matter to me if I was loved or felt love from someone, as long as I could express the love I feel for that person.  That worked well in my last relationship for a long time, but over time my ability to express my love was limited by him, and in addition to that, I grew to need to be loved in return, in a way he could not provide.

This need/desire of mine grew as a result of my own life issues over the last few years, and as a result of learning more about myself and how I want to live out my life.  There is an abundance of love in the world and I want some of it!  The difficulty is when you have to let go of something (or someone) you love dearly in order to move forward.  This was something I was unable to do on my own, and likely would have compromised myself a lot longer had he not let me go of his own accord. 

So now I am figuring "me" out.  I've been talking to someone new, who came into my life quite by surprise, and being very honest about my inability to make any commitment to anyone until I work some things out which I have to do on my own.  Therefore, I am placing no expectations on him or the situation and have suggested he place no expectations on me, as well.   I suppose with life being a process, we're always figuring ourselves out in some way or another.  Right now I'm spending a lot of energy on that, which is difficult but overall a very good thing.


I've seen you mention the end of your relationship a couple of times and I feel bad, because I haven't taken the time to express my sympathies. Now that I have been lounging around the house all day and sleeping, leaving me unable to get to bed at a decent time, I can't make anymore excuses.

I wish you the best in whatever direction you go now and with dealing with your hard times. I know how much he meant to you.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 9:53:36 PM   
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I have remained fairly constant in my desires. Of course I have learned a lot and made very minor modifications to incorporate lessons learned through trial and error or the gradual maturing process that almost all of us experience. I was introduced to the BDSM and Ds world through the physical, but from the very beginning it has been all about the psychology.

I have remained constant because I am completely satisfied with the results that I get from my efforts and always have been .

Dolf

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 9:56:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomDolf
I was introduced to the BDSM and Ds world through the physical, but from the very beginning it has been all about the psychology.


It was very much the same for me and I think for quite a few people. The physical and sexual aspects of "power" are a lot easier to understand and relate to then the psychological ones.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 10:01:59 PM   
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NV -  you are a wonderfully strong woman and I have always admired you for that.  Strange how your explanation of growing and understanding how change happens and how things affect us, mirrors a discussion I was having with someone earlier today.  I have been doing the same thing in various parts of my life recently and have found it painfully liberating.  I applaud you for taking your journey as well, and I wish you every happiness, as well as love.

Hugs,
DRH

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 10:03:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I wish you the best in whatever direction you go now and with dealing with your hard times. I know how much he meant to you.


Thank you, MR. 

Edited to add a loving thank you to DRH, too. 

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/7/2008 10:21:27 PM   
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Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?

Yes.  When i first knew i was submissive i was a young girl of 14.  Don't ask why...i just did.  Once i entered the lifestyle after years and years of unhappiness, i entered in as a submissive.  Well, as my journey went on i was not happy being a submissive.  i felt unfulfilled and bored.  So, i upped the anty and entered into being a slave.  i have never been more happier in my life than i am now.  i did a progressive change from a vanilla girl of 14 to a full fleged slave.  i love being a slave and love that i made the change.

If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?

i met someone who had the same desires i did.  He became my Master and now i feel fulfilled.  You see i did not think my desires to be uner mind control were normal.  i always felt weird because people think of mind control as manipulation and that is not the case.  When a professional does the job as per my Master, then it is safe and consensual.  i wanted to be free from all burden both BDSM related and sexually.  i view those two items on different levels.


Thanks for this thread.  Very nice to read about other people's journeys.


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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/8/2008 1:50:28 AM   
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quote:

What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?


i don't remember 'first' coming to this thing.....because my involvement was from birth (as a submissive half of being a twin).
my needs change on an hourly basis, day by day, year by year.
'my; needs are secondary unless my Master tells me to pay attention to them. It has always been like this to me as i have always deferred to whomever it was who negotiated a power dynamic to dominate me: my sister, my mother, my vanillas (in terms of unhealthy power overs), and the very very many previous relationships before the life long dedication i now pay to my Master. There have been times, in retrospect, when this has been unhealthy for me, and it is only at that point, when serving another has lead to weakening me, that i have released myself, or walked, or divorced and so on.i'm an emotional 'piece of works' and outside of the remit of many who have attempted to contain and protect me in order for me to serve. (The paradox).
Thankfully all my needs are intuited and taken care of now within processes that enable me to rely upon my Master for all needs. This includes (as a result of a remarkable communication) how i am to deport myself should He pass before i do.




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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/8/2008 2:25:28 AM   
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My journey has been more about going deeper and further than I initially dared to dream. At first I thought it would just be online ... then I entertained the possibility of being involved in real ... I knew I was Dominant from the start but quickly realised there was a sub side, however didn't foresee the need to have them both operating at once in a 50:50 duality ... then as I began in real life, so many other doors opened through munches, discussion groups, play parties and ultimately here I am in 24/7land. Been a fascinating journey and I know there is so much further to go, especially when (thinking positively here!) I find a sub to complete Our household. I admit to feeling a bit stagnant of late, Master and i have had lots of exterior stresses and strains to deal with and My Dominant personality tends to pop up and deal with those, especially when not having a sub to occupy Her. So violet has been finding it hard to remain in a proper submissive space. Hopefully some of those things will be worked out in the next few months!

Great thread MadR ... sorry to hear the relationship didn't work out but all power to not being bitter simply because someone has discovered themselves and that doesn't fit with the desired relationship. You really are way more mature than your chronology!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]



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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/8/2008 4:22:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
What about you?
Is what you want or need now different then what you wanted or needed when you first came to this "thing"?
If so, what brought about the changes that made you realize what you thought you originally wanted or needed wasn't right for you?
If not, why did you continue the same direction as in the beginning without going a different path?


Yes, it's different. Mainly because the first decade was an odd blend of thrill rides, learning, and trying to figure out what really mattered and what didn't. The thrill rides ended up with that same sort of tired, hollow feeling you have late at night at a fairground. Yeah it was fun. Yeah, it was time to move on. One of the lessons learned during that time was while they're vastly different in some respects, in others, BDSM relationships aren't that different from any other relationship. Yes, we're kinky folk. Yes, we Doms exert varying degrees of control over our submissives, and submissives need and accept varying degrees of control from Doms. Yes, we can seem wickedly perverse, wildly sadistic, intensely loving.. just downright intense at times, and in that respect the highs and lows in this lifestyle seemed an exagerated sine wave riding atop the flat lines and gentler curves of traditional relationships.

At the same time, I saw a lot of broken people who often spoke of a previous Dominant or submissive in glowing and sometimes wistful terms. The question that kept coming to mind was, well, if it was that good, why did it end? The answer to that was simple in some respects, complex in others. The simple things I could handle. Relationships fail all the time over simple things where the initial attraction fades or disappears completely once past the facade people usually create when presenting themselves to the world It was the complex reasons that kept my mind working. Some where in there came the realization that a decent portion of humanity, myself included, needed those thrill rides to begin to understand that the rides themselves, weren't enough, that while it may be a great place to visit, living there wasn't a good thing. In the end all of that coalesced into a phrase I often use without much explanation, that one person's need never fully encompasses another person's

How it all ties together is my perspective, no one else's. So don't take it as I'm lecturing because I'm not. I just realized where my place on the graph of sine waves was. We take a lot of time distancing ourselves from the nilla world, but in reality, anything that lasts has to encompass it. Having had that feeling of being at the fairground too late at night too many times, the lasting part of it is what began to matter more so than simply riding the rides. Yeah, I still wanted the thrills but the thrill itself didn't hit the basic needs we all have as people - the Maslow heirarchy - bodily comforts, Safety/security, Belonging and Love, to achieve, be competent, gain approval and recognition. Never fully encompassing another's need essentially means that my needs and wants may strike enough of a chord in someone to be binding for a while, but if I don't see to those things like the need to belong, to feel, to gain approval, to have some security in the relationship, then I lose. If I don't understand that as twisted as my mind can be sometimes, my submissive may have a good set of twists and kinks of her own, I lose.

While bending one's will to another's can be seen as the cornerstone to D/s types of relationships, the bottom line is that if you want something to last, you'll spend the time to discover and play on those things in the other's mind within the rules of your relationship. And hell, a lot of times they're pretty good twists and kinks. Grin. That doesn't mean every fantasy or every perversion has to be realized. It means that as a Dominant, I see it as another type of play space, a place where I can put her where I want her mentally, physically and emotionally by finding those triggers inside her that drive her over the edge, and put her there in a way that's safe, sane, and keeps her whole afterwards. It may be realizing something she's had in her mind forever, or simply playing with scenes that contain enough nuances of those thoughts to prompt the response. In other words, it's not all about me. That sentence may not sound too Domly but in my reality, I will see to it that my needs are met. When it comes to it lasting however, the realization is there that both sides have needs, otherwise we wouldn't be together in the first place. The playground her mind, body and imagination have to offer is something I will take the time to explore, and take the time to wrap what I find into our relationship if it is something that can be done without harming it. Even if it does stand a chance of harming it, often you can play with the basic concepts and still elicit the response you want in a manner that doesn't. Wrap all of that together with Maslow, i.e. provide the security that lets trust grow so those things can be done, don't set her up to fail, teaching her where she belongs and at least I have created the space where it can last. That doesn't mean it will. It means that if it doesn't, I won't be looking back with should have's and could have's. It means I'll put it in perspective for being what it was and move on.

My path didn't change. I still want the same things that brought me here in the first place. I just realized that it held a lot more value for me over time rather than just in riding the rides for the thrill, that the exagerated sine wave worked best when it had some of the gentler curves holding it up so that on the downslope, we ended up back at the basics and not in some deep, dark chasm where good things were talked about in retrospect.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/8/2008 5:46:16 AM   
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i think once youve figured out who you are and all the confusion ends.  when you realise that it doesnt matter a hang what other people think, believe or follow since every relationship you enter is different again, then you relax.

when you relax people relax with you and the genuine stuff starts to flow.

i started out seeking D/s, ended up with guys more into the kink and bdsm, and now im back to D/s with a guy who is more D/s than BDSM, which is where i started out from in the first damn place! - except that this time i recognise him as a D, first time around i probably would have wondered why he wasnt bossing me around in the first five minutes.

so change? - yep, ive grown up.

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RE: Figuring out "YOU" - 9/8/2008 6:05:39 AM   
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Change is constant for everyone. Realize that and adjust to it.

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