Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 8:52:37 AM   
rulemylife


Posts: 14614
Joined: 8/23/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

quote:

MLK
Harvey Milk
Larry Flynt
Kennedy
Kennedy
(and most recently) Gwatney


Well I was only talking about Presidential candidates, but okay.  MLK was killed by Earl Ray.  Earl Ray was a common criminal, and we really don't know what his motivations were.  He denied involvement until his death.  He was never openly politcal, and he was never affiliated with the Republican Party. 

Harvey Milk was killed by Dan White, who was a Democrat.  It had nothing to do with Milk's sexual orientation.  White was simply a disgruntled, former city official. 

Larry Flynt was killed by a serial killer motivated by racist ideology.  He was not a Republican, and no matter what you believe....the Republican Party has never been affiliated with any white-supremacist hate group.  It's like trying to blame the Democratic Party for the actions of far Left groups like the Sybonese Liberation Army, the Weatherman, or eco-terrorists. 

As I said before about JFK, he was killed by a self-professed Marxist who had renounced his citizenship and defected to the Soviet Union.  He was a sad, lonely man with a need to be important.  He was a nobody that wanted to be a somebody.  He was never a member of the Republican Party.

Robert Kennedy was killed by Sirhan Sirhan, who was Palestinian.  Although he denies it now, his motivations had to do with RFK's support of Israel.  Again, he was never a member of the Republican Party or a right winger. 

Bill Gwatney was murdered by a man who just lost his menial job at Target.  He was never a member of the Republican Party, and he was never openly political.  He was killed by the police, and no one knows why he did what he did.  I suspect he had mental problems, and he couldn't deal with his own failings in life.  So he snapped.  I am fairly sure that personal politics had nothing to do with his actions. 

So again, you're wrong.  It's amazing to me that you seem to attack what you conceive as bigotry with your own prejudice and bigotry.  You seem to view everything in terms of us and them.  It's the simple mind that views the world in such a way. 





I believe if you were to call Larry Flynt he might tell you that reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.

(in reply to slaveboyforyou)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 9:48:59 AM   
corysub


Posts: 1492
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I'm watching the McCain speech tonight, and I see several individuals trying to interrupt him. Who here thinks it's right to interfere with the free speech of political candidates, or to try to intimidate delegates who are trying to attend a political gathering, trying to exercises their freedom of assembly.

Anyone?




The Republicans, of course.


How many republicans interupted the speeches at the DNC?


The idiots on the lib fringe were given passes by MSNBC so the story goes on the net.  Wouldn't be
surprised if it was true since the MSNBC camera's were all over the protestor (s).  If proven, just
another uneeded nail in the coffin of the dying liberal media. 

Think about it...the only message they  have had for years now is NO MORE BUSH!...
Everything else is just dusted off speeches from Mondale, Humphry and Dukakis...not to mention
Jimmy Carter that most of us would like to forget was ever president if you lived through his "on the job training" and failures.  Some of Carters's foreign political leadership (Zbignew) are now advising Obama....some change! 
Change you can believe in...not me..you maybe...! 




(in reply to thishereboi)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 11:43:27 AM   
SilverMark


Posts: 3457
Joined: 5/9/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I'm watching the McCain speech tonight, and I see several individuals trying to interrupt him. Who here thinks it's right to interfere with the free speech of political candidates, or to try to intimidate delegates who are trying to attend a political gathering, trying to exercises their freedom of assembly.

Anyone?




The Republicans, of course.


How many republicans interupted the speeches at the DNC?


The idiots on the lib fringe were given passes by MSNBC so the story goes on the net.  Wouldn't be
surprised if it was true since the MSNBC camera's were all over the protestor (s).  If proven, just
another uneeded nail in the coffin of the dying liberal media. 

Think about it...the only message they  have had for years now is NO MORE BUSH!...
Everything else is just dusted off speeches from Mondale, Humphry and Dukakis...not to mention
Jimmy Carter that most of us would like to forget was ever president if you lived through his "on the job training" and failures.  Some of Carters's foreign political leadership (Zbignew) are now advising Obama....some change! 
Change you can believe in...not me..you maybe...! 

Amazing, When you have something to back what you say please, by all means provide it...Brezinski as an adviser is bad because?____________________________________________<-----fill in the blank
What speeches are you refering to and please be accurate, I need to know what has been said by  Carter, Mondale Humphrey, Dukakis and Obama, one and all?????  Do you really believe this, or is this just conversation?
If you do believe it share the quotes....I'd love to see them.




(in reply to corysub)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 7:05:19 PM   
corysub


Posts: 1492
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I'm watching the McCain speech tonight, and I see several individuals trying to interrupt him. Who here thinks it's right to interfere with the free speech of political candidates, or to try to intimidate delegates who are trying to attend a political gathering, trying to exercises their freedom of assembly.

Anyone?




The Republicans, of course.


How many republicans interupted the speeches at the DNC?


The idiots on the lib fringe were given passes by MSNBC so the story goes on the net.  Wouldn't be
surprised if it was true since the MSNBC camera's were all over the protestor (s).  If proven, just
another uneeded nail in the coffin of the dying liberal media. 

Think about it...the only message they  have had for years now is NO MORE BUSH!...
Everything else is just dusted off speeches from Mondale, Humphry and Dukakis...not to mention
Jimmy Carter that most of us would like to forget was ever president if you lived through his "on the job training" and failures.  Some of Carters's foreign political leadership (Zbignew) are now advising Obama....some change! 
Change you can believe in...not me..you maybe...! 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SilverMark

titleAndStar(93,0,0,false,"","")

"Amazing, When you have something to back what you say please, by all means provide it...Brezinski as an adviser is bad because?____________________________________________<-----fill in the blank
What speeches are you refering to and please be accurate, I need to know what has been said by  Carter, Mondale Humphrey, Dukakis and Obama, one and all?????  Do you really believe this, or is this just conversation?
If you do believe it share the quotes....I'd love to see them.


Silver...this wasn't even a "challange".  Unlike Obama, Mondale, Humphry, Dukakis and Carter have a "paper trail".  He may be an empty suit from Chicago pulling the wool over the eyes of many impressionabe young people,
but he is too clever to put anything in writing  Forget about when he was Senator, heck..he voted present 140 times according to Hillary Clinton who was right when she said "he made a speech in 2002"!

OK - Lets get started...

Brezinski as an advisor is bad ....... "since he has a track record of failure when it counted.  Carter won the "Peace
Prize" but did not accomplish anything but a photo op at Camp  David with the PLO and Israel.  The Carter administration allowed America to be humiliated by the forced captivity of our embassy personel and old ZB had no solution...other than talkig via the Swiss...thanks Ziby...but not thanks. 
Oh yea.. one other fantastic political coup of the Carter administration...We gave away the Panama Canal  earlier than the lease expiration to a corrupt government that Ronnie corrected a few years later. One of the good things ZB did do after the Carter administration was father Meeka...she is terrific and, while still wet behind the ears, is an honest, hard working journalist.

OK - as to Mondale...and please let me know where I am misquoting...With only minor changes this speech could and are being given today by Obama and his sidekick....a guy that has not had a real job since he was 29.

Mondale Acceptance Speech - Democrat Convention 1984
Here is the truth about the future: We are living on borrowed money and borrowed time. These deficits hike interest rates, clobber exports, stunt investment, kill jobs, undermine growth, cheat our kids, and shrink our future.
Whoever is inaugurated in January, the American people will have to pay Mr. Reagan's bills. The budget will be squeezed. Taxes will go up. And anyone who says they won't is not telling the truth to the American people.
I mean business. By the end of my first term, I will reduce the Reagan budget deficit by two-thirds.
Let's tell the truth. It must be done, it must be done. Mr. Reagan will raise taxes, and so will I. He won't tell you. I just did.
There's another difference. When he raises taxes, it won't be done fairly. He will sock it to average-income families again, and leave his rich friends alone. And I won't stand for it. And neither will you and neither will the American people.
To the corporations and freeloaders who play the loopholes or pay no taxes, my message is: Your free ride is over.
To the Congress, my message is: We must cut spending and pay as we go. If you don't hold the line, I will: That's what the veto is for.
Now that's my plan to cut the deficit. Mr. Reagan is keeping his plan secret until after the election. That's not leadership; that's salesmanship. And I think the American people know the difference.
I challenge tonight, I challenge Mr. Reagan to put his plan on the table next to mine - and then let's debate it on national television before the American people. Americans want the truth about the future - not after the election.
When the American economy leads the world, the jobs are here, the prosperity is here for our children. But that's not what's happening today. This is the worst trade year in American history. Three million of our best jobs have gone overseas.
Mr. Reagan has done nothing about it. They have no plan to get our competitive edge back. But we do. We will cut the deficits, reduce interest rates, make our exports affordable, and make America number one again in the world economy.
We will launch a renaissance in education, in science, and learning. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. And this must be the best-educated, best-trained generation in American history. And I will lead our nation forward to the best system that this nation has ever seen. We must do it, we must do it.
It is time for America to have a season of excellence. Parents must turn off that television; students must do their homework; teachers must teach; and America compete. We'll be number one if we follow those rules; let's get with it in America again.
To big companies that send our jobs overseas, my message is: We need those jobs here at home. And our country won't help your business - unless your business helps our country.
To countries that close their markets to us, my message is: We will not be pushed around any more. We will have a president who stands up for American workers and American businesses and American farmers in international trade.

FULL TEXT OF SPEECH BELOW...TOO BORING TO DUPLICATE - Cory
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/chicago/facts/famous.speeches/mondale.84.shtml
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Dukakis - 1988 Acceptance Speech.   Here too...."Robin Hood" strikes again...rob from the rich and give to the poor...
 
A New Era Is About to Begin
My friends, if anyone tells you that the American dream belongs to the privileged few and not to all of us, you tell them that the Reagan era is over and a new era is about to begin.
Because it’s time to raise our sights—to look beyond the cramped ideals and limited ambitions of the past eight years—to recapture the spirit of energy and of confidence and of idealism that John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson inspired a generation ago.
It’s time to meet the challenge of the next American Frontier—the challenge of building an economic future for America that will create good jobs at good wages for every citizen in this land, no matter who they are or where they come from or what the color of their skin.
It’s time to rekindle the American spirit of invention and daring, to exchange voodoo economics for can-do economics, to build the best America by bringing out the best in every American.
It’s time to wake up to the new challenges that face the American family. Time to see that young families in this country are never again forced to choose between the jobs they need and the children they love; time to be sure that parents are never again told no matter how long they work or how hard their child tries, a college education is a right they can’t afford.
It’s time to ask why it is that we have run up more debt in this country in the last eight years than we did in the previous 200; and to make sure it never happens again.
It’s time to understand that the greatest threat to our national security in this hemisphere is not the Sandinistas—it’s the avalanche of drugs that is pouring into this country and poisoning our children.
I don’t think I have to tell any of you how much we Americans expect of ourselves or how much we have a right to expect from those we elect to public office.
Because this election isn’t about ideology. It’s about competence. It’s not about overthrowing governments in Central America. It’s about creating good jobs in middle America.
It’s not about insider trading on Wall Street; it’s about creating opportunity on Main Street.

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/1116/dukakis88.html

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hubert Humphry was the Chairman of the Board when it came to "redistribution of the wealth"...in other words
take from the doers..and give to the....>________________(fill in the blanks>)
Do I really have to give you more on Humphry...

Come on now...the democrat party has been...
Tax the rich,
Money for the schools
More governmet programs
More government pandering with money to excite young people to join "peace corp" type
organizations that will indocrinate them in the socialist Big Brother Knows all philsophy of
the Obama's
More government control over our lives..
and on and on....Obama is wanting to take all this to a new level that, should he win, will change
and probably destroy the enterprise known as the United States of America...a democracy that was
successful for two hundred years and than forsake all history and learning for a socialist agenda of
a radical young man from the Midwest.

(in reply to SilverMark)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 7:07:54 PM   
slaveboyforyou


Posts: 3607
Joined: 1/6/2005
From: Arkansas, U.S.A.
Status: offline
quote:

I believe if you were to call Larry Flynt he might tell you that reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.


oops, I mean't shot.  It still doesn't change my response to bipolar's delusions.

(in reply to rulemylife)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 8:28:39 PM   
NumberSix


Posts: 1378
Joined: 12/30/2006
Status: offline
It seems to me; and perhaps only to me, that if the Grand Old Party cannot secure their own convention, that it is a plausible notion that they cannot in all likelyhood with the current usual suspects, 'form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity'.

How come all this terrorism only comes to us on republican watches?

Just sayin'

6


_____________________________

"Who are you?"
"The new Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six.".
"I am not a number — I am a free man!"

Be seeing you...

(in reply to slaveboyforyou)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 8:57:33 PM   
celticlord2112


Posts: 5732
Status: offline
quote:

How come all this terrorism only comes to us on republican watches?

First world trade center bombing (1993) was on Clinton's "watch".  So was the Khobar Towers bombing (1996), the embassy bombings in Mombassa and Dar-es-Salaam (1998), as well as the USS Cole attack (2000).

Terrorism does not respect party lines.




_____________________________



(in reply to NumberSix)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 9:33:19 PM   
NumberSix


Posts: 1378
Joined: 12/30/2006
Status: offline
First world trade center bombing (1993)

You had be'er do bedder 'dan a Wiki, or wi'draw thaat une, laddie buck.

E'er we talk about Iran-Contra?

Or ne'er?   Ya canna ha' yur wee kake and 'et it tooo, canna?


_____________________________

"Who are you?"
"The new Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six.".
"I am not a number — I am a free man!"

Be seeing you...

(in reply to celticlord2112)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 9:45:44 PM   
Racquelle


Posts: 600
Joined: 4/21/2008
Status: offline
Loud disruptions are not the same as violence.  Shouting at candidates is a long standing American Tradition, and yes, I AM proud of it - even when its done by people I disagree with because we can do it here.  That happens to be a hallmark of the Constitutional guarantees that all our leaders have agreed to uphold - and I intend to hold them to.  Our government is not a free-standing separate entity.  It belongs to us, exists to serve us, and it is US.  It took getting loud, getting angry, and getting beat down for many of the best reforms our society has ever had to come about.  Long live the loudmouths!

(in reply to NumberSix)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 9:49:57 PM   
celticlord2112


Posts: 5732
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

First world trade center bombing (1993)

You had be'er do bedder 'dan a Wiki, or wi'draw thaat une, laddie buck.

E'er we talk about Iran-Contra?

Or ne'er?   Ya canna ha' yur wee kake and 'et it tooo, canna?


Ask and ye shall receive:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/26/newsid_2516000/2516469.stm

Not quite sure why you wanted "better than a wiki" but there you go.

Iran-Contra was not a terrorist event.

And why are you suddenly channeling Robert Burns?


_____________________________



(in reply to NumberSix)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/5/2008 9:55:26 PM   
NumberSix


Posts: 1378
Joined: 12/30/2006
Status: offline
I remember one time, we thought the Brits and us should have a go, I remember the times a King was named Kenneth, and I remeber a time when Scandinavians had a King called Knute (in this case) the K is pronounced.


I will say, however; I believe Bill Cosby had a son who's name was Enneth (him being rather whimsical in this regard, in my view, but was there an Afrcaan equivalent)



Prithee,

Dispatch this to the first leftenant you see; and tell the fellow, say; do any of you percieve the hand of Northern Gent about?


_____________________________

"Who are you?"
"The new Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six.".
"I am not a number — I am a free man!"

Be seeing you...

(in reply to Racquelle)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/6/2008 5:16:16 AM   
SilverMark


Posts: 3457
Joined: 5/9/2007
Status: offline
Great homework corey, The party themes between the Democrats and the Republicans haven't changed that much. I wasn't surprised in particular that you could find much on HHH after all the man ran in '68. But kudos at any rate.
Not so sure about your opinion on Brzezinski still, and it will take Me a bit to read all of this because I do not wish to just "snipe" but, I will read this and do a bit of contrasting and comparison. The themes of the 2 parties and the issues are indeed remarkably similar until now. The one underlying theme is the Democrats talking change....hmmmm....one quick observation this year the Republicans are talking change? Don't think as you re-read these maybe some of them are correct do you?
Just an observation...will be reading them...
SM

(in reply to corysub)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/6/2008 5:27:51 AM   
corysub


Posts: 1492
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
TU Silver...

It's not the message of change that the democrat party has as its focus...my concern is
with the guy at the top of the ticket.  Most Americans are clamoring for "change" after
16 years of Clinton/Bush.  I am deeply trouble about the "change" that Obama wants
implemented.  Much bigger government, the brown shirt agenda towards the creation
of an army of "organizers" that really would be an indoctrination movement of
impressionable young people into big government (read socialism) which seems to
be at the core of Obama's principles.

As far as Sarah Palin being a heart beat away from the Oval Office, my concern is
that Pelosi is "2 heartbeats away"!  I can't imagine what would be the faith of America
in a worst WORST case accident or terrorist act that took out McCain and Palin.

< Message edited by corysub -- 9/6/2008 5:28:38 AM >

(in reply to SilverMark)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? - 9/6/2008 8:27:49 AM   
SilverMark


Posts: 3457
Joined: 5/9/2007
Status: offline
Corysub
In each of these speeches the "themes" and preamble to the speech or introduction to the speech hit core values of the Democratic party and the concerns we have today aren't much different. Where the differences are made is within the body of the speeches.
Healthcare...An issue both sides have avoided like the plague even President Clinton let his wife address it more than he did yet, Obama takes the issue up-front.
"Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves."  How about a Democrat that wants to change the Tax Code? not just adjust the amounts paid?   "Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it."
Foreign Oil and a goal of independence within 10 years..."And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as president: In 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East." Had anyone truly dealt with this even when the gas prices subsided we might have been ahead of the curve?
A Democrat on bankruptcy laws....Oh My...imagine that "Now is the time to change our bankruptcy laws, so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses, and the time to protect Social Security for future generations.
Credit Card companies and how they treat the public...granted that is a personal responsibility issue in My view but, predatory acts by those companies are indeed an issue.
Personal responsibility and a call to act as Citizens...
"Yes, we must provide more ladders to success for young men who fall into lives of crime and despair. But we must also admit that programs alone can't replace parents; that government can't turn off the television and make a child do her homework; that fathers must take more responsibility for providing the love and guidance their children need."
Bi-partisanship:"The times are too serious, the stakes are too high for this same partisan playbook. So let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, and so does John McCain. The men and women who serve in our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and independents, but they have fought together and bled together and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a red America or a blue America – they have served the United States of America."
The second reference to Brown shirts I have seen from a conservative poster this week...please...
These are real issues of today, not in the days of Mondale(weak V.P.) Dukakis (one photo of him in that helmet...it was all over)Humphrey...not relevant to today. The idea that there is some ulterior motive lying behind those of us who are indeed Democrats is really a bit too much Hannity and Limbaugh scare tactics. To refer to us as socialists or Brownshirts is insulting at best, We are not the Democrats of Dukakis, Mondale or Humphrey and neither is Obama. I will never change your mind but never discount the differences between what we as members of the Democratic party are with references to days gone by. I do not discount the Republicans for Bushes failures and unpopularity and I will not bore you with the details of how little the Republicans have changed. Do not underestimate....off handed references to "Brownshirts" only serve as weakness in argument, not references to policy or to ability.


(in reply to corysub)
Profile   Post #: 34
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Proud Of Code Pink / Violent Protesters? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.141