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Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 5:58:03 AM

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I've read that hypnosis can exhance a scene. Does anyone have experience of this? Any advice on techniques, dangers etc?

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RE: Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 7:03:30 AM

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I don't know your answer, but was wondering if you could clarify your question. Hypnosis for the Top, bottom, or both? Being hypnotized during the scene, or prior to, and then using post-hypnotic suggestions?

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RE: Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 7:13:17 AM

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I've read that hypnosis can exhance a scene. Does anyone have experience of this? Any advice on techniques, dangers etc?

I've been involved with folks who have used hypnosis to enhance enslavement, or to increase the intensity of a scene. As a pastoral care therapist who has dealt with the rebound of improperly managed hypnosis and triggered crises brought up via hypnosis combined with corporal discipline/spanking/etc., I strongly recommend that individuals who are not very experienced in putting someone under and bringing them back up not mess with externally-directed hypnosis during a scene. I would also suggest that the hypnotist know the individual being hypnotized well, and know what potential bombs might be lurking under the surface. Most of the time, nothing goes wrong -- but on the few occasions where I've seen it go bad, it has gone bad really fast, and has been -really-, -really- messy.

Self-hypnosis is a completely different animal, and is relatively commonly (and safely) used under a variety of situations.

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RE: Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 7:18:28 AM

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Do keep in mind that individuals who have blocked memories are not aware of what those memories are therefore an individual cannot say there will not be an issue. Hope that makes sense. Basically when you play with hypnosis be prepared for all possibilities - good and bad.

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RE: Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 10:04:47 AM

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There are few things more dangerous than the hidden subconscious. I have spoken with one attorney who worked on a trial wherein the defendant had killed his therapist due to a memory triggered by hypnosis. Proceed with caution, I'd say.

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RE: Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 10:42:05 AM

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RE: Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 11:17:01 AM

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I've read that hypnosis can exhance a scene. Does anyone have experience of this? Any advice on techniques, dangers etc?

I've been involved with folks who have used hypnosis to enhance enslavement, or to increase the intensity of a scene. As a pastoral care therapist who has dealt with the rebound of improperly managed hypnosis and triggered crises brought up via hypnosis combined with corporal discipline/spanking/etc., I strongly recommend that individuals who are not very experienced in putting someone under and bringing them back up not mess with externally-directed hypnosis during a scene. I would also suggest that the hypnotist know the individual being hypnotized well, and know what potential bombs might be lurking under the surface. Most of the time, nothing goes wrong -- but on the few occasions where I've seen it go bad, it has gone bad really fast, and has been -really-, -really- messy.

Self-hypnosis is a completely different animal, and is relatively commonly (and safely) used under a variety of situations.

Calla Firestorm

Ditto, and I agree.

The first 5 minutes of my (about 25 minute) long hypno workshop is all about why you should never, ever do this, and if you want to do this, you're a silly, silly person risking much danger and doom which will befall upon your unsuspecting head.

This is a theme that is recurrent throughout the workshop.

I've been doing hypnosis for a while, I do different things with different people, yes it can enhance a scene, yes it can be a scene in itself, yes it can work wonders in aftercare, no I'm not going to tell you how to do it, if you want to learn, enroll in a class/course and get some *propper* training.

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RE: Hypnosis - 8/31/2008 11:36:59 AM

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I've not put anybody under a deep state of Hypo Trance. I tend to work with words and put imagines, thoughts and ideas into somebody's mind. Not very hard, in fact extremely easy to do. It's right on par with Hyponsis to a degree.

Actually, words and tone of voice and exploring thoughts and mental images, priceless.

You do this right in regular normal conversation, no big deal. It's called knowing somebody, and getting inside their head. Look mom, no hypo trance involved. :-)

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/1/2008 5:03:44 AM

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but on the few occasions where I've seen it go bad, it has gone bad really fast, and has been -really-, -really- messy.

May i ask what sort of things happened? Not exactly but i would like to know the nature of reactions. Violence? Depression? Something else?

Hypnosis was used on me to enchant my beliefs in powers my Mistress had over me. It was used to objectify me, to make me do some humiliation things (indoors, with limited nr. of witnesses) the first time more freely. It helped me realize my desire to serve a Woman with my every breath i.e. it helped me to accept my subhood with its every aspect.

It was 'misused' once in a very mean way. But since i was warned in advance how i am going to feel about it, it didn't reduce my trust aftermath. It just produced the wanted scene and remained in my memory like both very kinky and a cruel thing to do. I liked it in the end.

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/1/2008 7:04:40 AM

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May i ask what sort of things happened? Not exactly but i would like to know the nature of reactions. Violence? Depression? Something else?

On one incident that I was called in on, the s-type was hiding under hir and hir spouse's bed, uncommunicative and crying. There had been no indication that there would be an issue. Both parties were known to me; participated regularly in the community, were stable, intelligent people; neither were medicated or under care for psychological conditions, they'd had relatively happy childhoods as far as anyone knew, and were really comfortable with their life-choices. They had been doing a "simple" hypnotic age regression as part of an age-play scene. We ended up having to call EMS, and the s-type ended up as an inpatient for a very short time. To this day, xhe won't talk about what happened or what set hir off.

Several other incidents that I know about or assisted with resulted in relapses of long-term depression, anxiety, and a relapse of anorexia/cutting in someone who had been free of both for almost a decade.

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/1/2008 12:51:51 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_1056967/mpage_1/key_hypnosis/tm.htm#1057433
Role of hypnosis in bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_363507/mpage_1/key_hypnosis/tm.htm#363689
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i'm actually so grateful you did this LA. When i see hypnosis as a thread i think oh no, not again.....just googling hypnosis and bdsm throws up a killion references although the Wipi
http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/Main_Page
does not have a hypnosis reference and neither does Informed consent which lifts info from the Wipi.
maybe someone ought to write the contribution.

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/1/2008 7:47:43 PM

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I am a sub/switch but I love doing hypnosis and receiving it as a subject. I have not used it in a real life D/s situation(only online) ...I almost feel that it should be used as another aspect of play and I do not think it should be used in combination. It can be used to enhance pleasure and pain ...but I believe the running through of a scene in hypnosis may be safer than trying it out r/t. A Dom can discover whether real time would be a good thing or not. If I were a Dom... my use would be when a sub steps out of line in public a trigger word can be used to give her/him a reaction of maybe pinching or someother mild thing ...or the inability to speak ....it can even be a pleasure response remembering that you can and I think should instill that you respond to triggers only when it is safe to do so (No o's while driving etc.) ...As you can see I love hypnosis but can see it can be abused in the BDSM scene by the few.

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/1/2008 8:20:29 PM

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Any advice on techniques, dangers etc?

Yes......if you're not a trained hypnotherapist, you shouldn't be doing it.

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/1/2008 10:24:45 PM

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A quick search turns up HypnoSlave, supposedly "where erotic hypnosis meets BDSM" ... and Hypno Domination purportedly where the author has "success with a new method" that he calls "planned resistance" ... and its reputed corollary titled Hypnotic submission where the author supposedly uses "hypnosis to control, enhance or modify the experience of a consensual D/s partner" ... and ...

EDIT: The links won't work if you have Java turned off (and you should); so I'll express the links above explicitly below:
Hypno Slave http://www.hypnoslave.com/
Hypno Domination http://hypnodom.blogspot.com/
Hypnotic submission http://hypnotic-submission.org/

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/2/2008 1:15:57 AM

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Yikes! I have been a hypnotherapy instructor for over 20 years. I also hold my doctorate in behavior therapy. Hypnosis is a therapy tool. To use it to "enhance a scene" is asking for complete and absolute trouble particularly if the person has just taken a weekend workshop. I have had more patients come to me who have had those who are not skilled in therapy but who have managed to learn enough about hypnosis to be dangerous and it takes me a bit of time to undo the mess. An ab reaction can cause emotional melt down and complete trauma. Having said all of that hypnosis is nothing more or less than a heightened state of awareness and we all enter the hypnotic state several times per day. But to use this tool to implant specific "scene enhancing' suggestions is not an approach I would advocate. However if you do use it, contact me so I can give you my hourly rate to undo the mess :) Seriously even in the vanilla environment I see more and more misuse of hypnosis. I have just spent the last 30 days undoing the results of post-hypnotic suggestions in a patient who had an addiction. The "hypnotist' he went to gave him a wonderful substitute for his addiction instead of curing the addiction so that the patient managed to have double addictions as a result of incompetence on the part of the hypnotist.....now imagine doing that sort of thing in a scene where intensity already exists. At the very least, if you are going to insist on exploring this get fully trained and qualified and not just to a hypnotist level but where you can qualify as a hypnotherapist and be licensed as such in the UK or US so that when the melt down happens you can clean it up!

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/2/2008 5:31:21 AM

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they'd had relatively happy childhoods

That's exactly what might have been the problem. Imagine that a happy childhood had important role in building up his personality. And then that pleasant image has been suddenly destabilized. Those *planted* unpleasant feelings might have gone upwards to his present person.

But strange desire indeed. I've never thought of nor i have undergone age regression. Instead i was mainly enjoying *not sure about the sci. name* reality alternation. Ignorance of pain and time (objectification), and behaving by well trained scenarios and patterns (used for humiliation in sate in which one doesn't realize s/he is being humiliated).

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/2/2008 11:15:00 AM

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Any advice on techniques, dangers etc?

Yes......if you're not a trained hypnotherapist, you shouldn't be doing it.

i used to think this ironically before i was trained. i have been a registered hypnotherapist here in the UK since 1997. Now i recognise that their are as many types of hypnosis as there are schools of psycho therapeutic approaches....psychotherapy being in vivo and hypnosis being in imagino.
and that modern hypnosis, although utilizing many of the tools of a post-modern appraoch, is not far removed from many old, ancient and indeed probably pre-lingual methods of suggestion/visualisation...(on so on).
To say we all need to be trained in order to do it is a good thing, BUT it is a pipe dream.
There will always be those who will practice almost any form of psychological intervention without ehics and for entertainment p[urposes and the like no matter how many controls we seek to impose from the statute books.
I have quite strong opinions about mixing hypnosis and domination though and don;t really want to get involved in a lengthy rant about that. people will do what they gotta do basically.
i have had to deal with the fall out of bad practice though and have observed the results of quite appalling use of suggestion techniques. the plethora of bdsm hypnosis types sites also offends me....(don;t get me started).All i know is that i have a code of ethics and stringently abide by it.

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/2/2008 12:45:54 PM

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Hypnosis is a dicey word. The "You are sleepy, you are now a dog *snap!*" kind is fairly well refuted by the scientific community. While the use of cognitive memory tricks and suggestion-prone states are quite reasonable. While I'm sure some people have been hypnotized, at large, this phenomena is overall ineffective.

Unless you expand hypnosis to include different head-spaces and emotional rushes. Suppressing these powerful forces can be good, but allowing them can free the beast within, turning an otherwise fun night into something you'll never forget. Chances of being arrested go up slightly, to match.

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/3/2008 6:38:14 PM

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There are things that you want to stay away from until the person guiding the hypnotic session has learned the appropriate way(s) to handle the various things that can happen.

If you aren't a trained professional you probably should stay away from pretty much anything that might require deep hypnosis or therapy. Any form of regression, deep trance identification, personality modification, etc. There are however possibilities that are much safer to have fun with that only require a good understanding of hypnosis, abreactions, post-hypnotic suggestion, utilization, etc.

A few suggestions for as safe a time w/hypnosis as possible:
   Make sure that you take into account the duration of any suggestions given during a session. ex: Any suggestions given during the following session will automatically be removed the next time I say your safeword, "safeword".
   Plan out your suggestions BEFORE your sessions. At least until you get a good idea of how to form suggestions that take into account all possible negative outcomes.
   Hypnosis can only extend the capabilities of the human body, not remove it's limits. ex: You can control a certain amount of bleeding, but there will be a point at which you will no longer be able to control it without some kind of physical intervention(tourniquet, or some other form of pressure).

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RE: Hypnosis - 9/20/2009 6:55:53 PM

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I have done hypnosis for 27 years.

there is a belief in the world of hypnosis that one can not be made to do something against their will.

I however know this is not true.

The purpose this belief was created and perpetuated is simply that if it were known then hypno would be outlawed in a hurry.

One who is using hypno while scening if unknowledgable could cause the subject considerable harm.

while in trance out side influences must be eliminated.

The power of the mind is quite amazing and our senses are capable of far more than most think.
People in trance have picked up suggestions from people speaking down the hall at a level that you wouldn't hear except while under. The environment must be carefully controlled if you are going to delve into this area.
All and I mean all the speach used around someone in trance must be carefully evaluated for hidden subliminal messages or comands.

An example would be a statement followed by a question requiring a yes respons EXAMPLE( you can't get it hard ) said by someone anywhere within ear shot followed by a question ( you like sucking my toes don't you)

The brain processes this as acceptance of the statement as part of the question and when the subject replies yes the subject is agreeing that he/she cant get hard........it could remain as a suggestion beyond the session.
And the subject could become erectile dysfunctional. the things we say and do while under can be damaging.

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