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celticlord2112 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 11:40:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 And those few people are just as wrong and just as misinformed as people who believe Obama is the solution. Once again, you try to elevate your opinion as fact: what you believe is not necessarily what is - especially when it concerns other people [;)] . I state what is. Obama's platform is classic socialist tax, spend, soak the rich ("rich" meaning anyone with a steady job), sprinkled with traditional Marxist denigrations of individual effort and individual accountability. The language on his website admits of no other assessment. Obama is not the solution. He is a worse problem than either Bush or Clinton ever dreamed of being. That is the reality. Regardless of belief, that remains the reality.

MistressNew -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 11:44:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 And those few people are just as wrong and just as misinformed as people who believe Obama is the solution. Once again, you try to elevate your opinion as fact: what you believe is not necessarily what is - especially when it concerns other people [;)] . I state what is. Obama's platform is classic socialist tax, spend, soak the rich ("rich" meaning anyone with a steady job), sprinkled with traditional Marxist denigrations of individual effort and individual accountability. The language on his website admits of no other assessment. Obama is not the solution. He is a worse problem than either Bush or Clinton ever dreamed of being. That is the reality. Regardless of belief, that remains the reality. On a related note, McCain is the Devil. He will kill us all and rape goats. That is the reality. Regardless of belief, that remains the reality.

kittinSol -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 11:46:31 AM)
Others think differently than you; and that is reality. Of course, you have the right to deny this all you want, and to persist in thinking that your perception of things is the universal truth [8\|] .

Thadius -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 11:47:17 AM)
Just a simple question... Does the goat raping happen prior or after us all being killed? Just thinking about the pay per view rights.[8\|]

popeye1250 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 11:56:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Each to their own - nearly everyone I know will take pretty much anything over another four years of Bushism. Oh? They'd prefer to be called, "World Citizens?" Did you immigrate to the U.S. with the hope of being a "World Citizen" or an American Citizen? Jumping into the snakepit of global socialism really isn't an option just because you don't like Bush! I can't stand Bush, I think he should publically appologise to The Minutemen for calling them "vigilantes". And there's a Whole Bunch of other things I don't like about him either but I'm not going to vote for an "Anti-Bush" who promises people anything knowing full well that he can't fulfill those promises. I want LESS government interfereance in my life not more. And I want them to keep their filthy hands out of my wallet! If you don't like Bush you really won't like Obama! "Big Brother" will interfere in our lives even more than now!

stef -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:00:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 I state what is. Obama's platform is classic socialist tax, spend, soak the rich ("rich" meaning anyone with a steady job), sprinkled with traditional Marxist denigrations of individual effort and individual accountability. Yeah, screw that. We need another fiscal conservative in the oval office. That is the reality. Regardless of belief, that remains the reality. ~stef

popeye1250 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:08:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 I state what is. Obama's platform is classic socialist tax, spend, soak the rich ("rich" meaning anyone with a steady job), sprinkled with traditional Marxist denigrations of individual effort and individual accountability. Yeah, screw that. We need another fiscal conservative in the oval office. That is the reality. Regardless of belief, that remains the reality. ~stef Stef, sure, Clinton had a "budget surplus" alright! But, how he got there was to have the biggest tax increase in the history of the U.S.! Obama will increase taxes by $1.4 Trillion right off the hop! It's already engineered for his first year should he be elected! I forget the name of the senator who's handling that for him.

housesub4you -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:08:33 PM)
With the pay per view, there just maybe enough to pay for this war. Who ever wins, they are going to have to develop a plan to pay for the last 7 years. What ever happened to the fiscal neo-cons when this goverenment was all borrow and spend and spend and spend and spend and spend under Bush?

Sanity -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:08:41 PM)
Statistics can be fun, you can twist them around to say anything. These, for example - were compiled during the primaries, and the money was distributed among all the primary candidates who were running, and the Republicans had a far larger field which split the contributions up. According to your source, all contributions for Republican from troops overseas totaled 76,037 dollars vs. 63,882 dollars for all Democrats. Total troop contributions for Republicans was $849,219 vs. $519,459 for Democrats.

MistressNew -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:16:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Statistics can be fun, you can twist them around to say anything. These, for example - were compiled during the primaries, and the money was distributed among all the primary candidates who were running, and the Republicans had a far larger field which split the contributions up. According to your source, all contributions for Republican from troops overseas totaled 76,037 dollars vs. 63,882 dollars for all Democrats. Total troop contributions for Republicans was $849,219 vs. $519,459 for Democrats. Or, to look at it another way, the two most prominant anti-war candidates got 106,000 while the next top five candidates scored 33,000. It wasn't meant to be a democrat v. republican thing. It was meant to be a the-troops-want-this-stupid-war-to-be-over thing.

Sanity -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:24:22 PM)
Judging by the headline you chose for the thread I'd have to say it was more an effort to mislead us concerning how popular Obama is among American troops serving overseas. Ron Paul is still Republican - so far right you should feel embarrassed about this whole thread. quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNew Or, to look at it another way, the two most prominant anti-war candidates got 106,000 while the next top five candidates scored 33,000. It wasn't meant to be a democrat v. republican thing. It was meant to be a the-troops-want-this-stupid-war-to-be-over thing.

Owner59 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:29:33 PM)
But but ,that can`t be true.......[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image] It just can`t be...... I`m just going to hold my breath and squeeze my eyes shut real hard and that`ll make it all go away!!![sm=anger.gif]

MistressNew -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:32:42 PM)
quote: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Judging by the headline you chose for the thread I'd have to say it was more an effort to mislead us concerning how popular Obama is among American troops serving overseas. Ron Paul is still Republican - so far right you should feel embarrassed about this whole thread. quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNew Or, to look at it another way, the two most prominant anti-war candidates got 106,000 while the next top five candidates scored 33,000. It wasn't meant to be a democrat v. republican thing. It was meant to be a the-troops-want-this-stupid-war-to-be-over thing. My title: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama Title of the article: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama I'm sure twisting things, here. Tell me what part you disagree with: 1. The stats show that troops abroad far prefer candidates who want peace in Iraq. 2. Obama is generally regarded as the candidate who is more likely to bring peace to Iraq. 3. Troops abroad give 6 times as much to Barack Obama as to John "100 years" McCain.

Owner59 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:41:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 And those few people are just as wrong and just as misinformed as people who believe Obama is the solution. Once again, you try to elevate your opinion as fact: what you believe is not necessarily what is - especially when it concerns other people [;)] . I state what is. Obama's platform is classic socialist tax, spend, soak the rich ("rich" meaning anyone with a steady job), sprinkled with traditional Marxist denigrations of individual effort and individual accountability. The language on his website admits of no other assessment. Obama is not the solution. He is a worse problem than either Bush or Clinton ever dreamed of being. That is the reality. Regardless of belief, that remains the reality. None of that is true.If it were demonstrable,you`da dunnit. Actually, we have the old tired out(but twied and twue)classic name-calling,the other guy is scary,don`t vote for them they`ll take all your money,tactics coming from republicans. Hey Lordceltic,gotta an unpleasant homework assignment for ya. Research and tell us how much Obama`s middle-class tax cuts total to and tell us how much McCain`s non-existent middle-class tax cut adds up to? Extra credit, if you`re honest.

Sanity -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:46:09 PM)
What I disagree with are silly word games that try to pass half-truths off as solid facts.

Owner59 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:49:56 PM)
it hurts I know.sorwy. But I wanted an honest answer. Next! lol http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us/politics/19obama.html

Thadius -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:51:07 PM)
I would love to know where you are extrapolating the points you make from... Especially #1. That is a huge assumption on your part. From your own article: quote: A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 -- just 323 donations -- should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. "If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger," he said. "Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately." Emphasis mine Since you like stats so much... what happened to the claim that no money was going to come from lobbyists? quote: Source the same site as your story.... Lawyers & Lobbyists $70,917,830 Total $53,423,764 Dems $17,466,361 Reps

Thadius -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:54:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 None of that is true.If it were demonstrable,you`da dunnit. Actually, we have the old tired out(but twied and twue)classic name-calling,the other guy is scary,don`t vote for them they`ll take all your money,tactics coming from republicans. Hey Lordceltic,gotta an unpleasant homework assignment for ya. Research and tell us how much Obama`s middle-class tax cuts total to and tell us how much McCain`s non-existent middle-class tax cut adds up to? Extra credit, if you`re honest. Owner, This is gonna surprise ya, maybe not. I agree that many of his accusations are solely his personal truths and thus opinions. Now for you homework assignment, do you want me to include the increase in dividends and capital gains taxes? And what are we defining as middle class? [;)]

Owner59 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 12:54:41 PM)
<parse ,pick,scratch head,parse again,flummox,squint,rub eyes,parse,pick,scrath head par.....................................> Here,I`ll throw ya`ll a bone. You can always say that this is because Obama is soooooo popular and so then,discount this as meaningless. It might help you sleep better and might improve the stuck BMs in your guts. No need to thank me.My pleasure.

Owner59 -> RE: Troops give 6 times as much money to Obama (8/14/2008 1:23:02 PM)
Middle class? Most of us. I hope he taxes the rich,as Clinton did. They, for the most part,are responsible for the financially ruinous adventure in Iraq.They should pay for it. It certainly shouldn`t be passed on to our kids,as McCorporatewellfare wants to do.

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