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Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 7:03:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Considering the amount of self-righteous narrow minded people about and within the BDSM culture (a number of whom who post here in CM with their inability to understand that things different to their way is not necessarily wrong), I'd say that the full quote: He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. fits the BDSM area like a glove and should act as a warning against being so damned eager to nit pick or faule find.

IB
(The incorrigible, irrepressible and irreverent Bear)

The thing about my friend Freddie…..known to others as Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (October 15, 1844 – August 25, 1900): he only lived until he was 56. He was a nineteenth-century German philosopher and classical philologist (studied grammar, historical linguistics).

He wrote critical texts on religion, morality, contemporary culture, philosophy, and science, using a distinctive German language (different word order or syntax) and displaying a fondness for aphorism (original thoughts and definitions). Nietzsche's influence remains substantial within and beyond philosophy, notably in existentialism (things are either in-existence or are aware of their existence and those things in-existence) and postmodernism (all things current).
His style and radical questioning of the value and objectivity of truth raises considerable problems of interpretation, generating an extensive secondary literature in continental philosophy (German idealism, phenomenology, existentialism and hermeneutics, (study of theories….what a kink eh?), structuralism, post-structuralism, French feminism (especially pre-cognising that uppity bitch Simone de Beauvoir). and the critical theory of the Frankfurt School and some other branches of western Marxism and analytic philosophy.

Some of his major ideas include interpreting tragedy as an affirmation of life, and eternal recurrence (a concept which posits that the universe has been recurring, and will continue to recur in a self-similar form an infinite number of times). What a far-out dude!

Nietzsche began his career as a classical philologist before turning to philosophy. At the age of 24 he became the Chair of Classical Philology at the University of Basel (the youngest individual ever to have held this position), but resigned in 1879 due to health problems, which would plague him for most of his life. In 1889 he exhibited symptoms of serious mental illness, living out his remaining years in the care of his mother and sister until his death in 1900.

Wonder if he would have been accused of having a dysfunctional behaviour pattern if using the forums here on collar? You know why he is one of the most amazing persons I would like to invite around to dinner? Not only because he could move from the metaphoric to the concrete all within one sentence but because he lived in a world where his experience (being on the edge of an abyss) finally overcame his desire to explain the logistics of the balance.




NuevaVida -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 7:11:43 AM)


The Wikipedia link for Prinsexx's post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche





Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:13:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida


The Wikipedia link for Prinsexx's post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche



Oh who needs the Wiki when you have a Resident Prinsexx..? [:D]
I tell you what though whenever i sit down and try to explain Freddie to students?  It's really very simple because he really did feel it necessary to attempt at least to explain not onyl his experience (the monster) but how his experience was confined and defined by all the refutable attempts by other theorists to refute it.
he walked and stuck on that edge until i honestly believe he lost the will to have to keep on keeping on. I've had conversations with friends who are natural German speakers. maybe there's someone out there who can join in this thread.....but the structure of the language itself has created so many of Europe's finest minds. Minds that found the confines of the language itself just something they felt an aspiration to break away from?
Same experience here....getting pinned down is a very pleasureable experience in itself but being pinned down to someone else's definition of being pinned down?
if you want to pn me down to the Wiki article then do so....but it is the nuances, the differences, the smallest changes that make the difference.
The original quote from freddie that time has chosen to maintain? for me it just means: that if you look to others' definitions of reality long enough in order to live life there eventually will be no sense of freedom from the confines they keep pulling you back into....ending on a preposition again. It really does sense to the sentence on the end to make...it kind of possibilities opens up...if you the syntax pardon?





CruelDesires -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:20:52 AM)

(Edited to be nice.)

C-D




Bstardsbitch -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:36:28 AM)

 
Oh who needs the Wiki when you have a Resident Prinsexx..? [:D]
Everyone that reads it and would believe it is your own words maybe??




Alumbrado -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:44:36 AM)

Oh, plagiarism is sooooo 20th century.....[8|]




Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:45:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bstardsbitch


Oh who needs the Wiki when you have a Resident Prinsexx..? [:D]
Everyone that reads it and would believe it is your own words maybe??


If you actually read it you would see that it wasn't...........well if you also count the words and do a mathematical calculation you might find that 20% of it was in fact mine. In my experience the most significant part of it....the point i was trying to make was mine. But who needs to defend oneself anyway? The point you are making about when one looks into the Wiki about Freddie is?




Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:49:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Oh, plagiarism is sooooo 20th century.....[8|]

~I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past.

Patrick Henry~ ??????

You are soooooo right.





Bstardsbitch -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:51:09 AM)

Well.........as I really don't have the inclination to do the math, I'll assume from your words that 20% of it was your own.
80% plagarism...erm.....is still plagarism.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 8:51:18 AM)

Not an hour ago, a female submissive told me I should read The Gay Science, which according to her is the N guy's take on affirmation, love and power.  Sounds as though that might be more a place to look, to connect Nietzsche with authority dynamic stuff.  I'll know in a few weeks.  I told her I would read it on condition that I could discuss it afterward with a smart woman.  So now I'm locked in.

And who needs Wikipedia, when you have a resident... uh, I mean, here's a link about The Gay Science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gay_Science




Alumbrado -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 9:06:59 AM)

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Patrick Henry~ ??????


Yes, my sigfile clearly says Patrick Henry at the end of the quote.  Are you really as dishonest as your posts make you out to be?




Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 9:08:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Not an hour ago, a female submissive told me I should read The Gay Science, which according to her is the N guy's take on affirmation, love and power.  Sounds as though that might be more a place to look, to connect Nietzsche with authority dynamic stuff.  I'll know in a few weeks.  I told her I would read it on condition that I could discuss it afterward with a smart woman.  So now I'm locked in.

And who needs Wikipedia, when you have a resident... uh, I mean, here's a link about The Gay Science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gay_Science

Red: this time you really have sucked me in.......[:D]




Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 9:21:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bstardsbitch

Well.........as I really don't have the inclination to do the math, I'll assume from your words that 20% of it was your own.
80% plagarism...erm.....is still plagarism.

Well we all know the Wiki is the truth.
And reality is almost all based on the Wiki without a sense of irony.
Irony is still irony even when you don't see it coming.





Missokyst -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 9:40:48 AM)

My abyss and I have an agreement.  We know who the other is, but we prefer to keep that door closed.
Kyst




Bstardsbitch -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 9:56:45 AM)

Prinsexx,
You really have the art of deflection down to a tee.










Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 10:07:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

Patrick Henry~ ??????


Yes, my sigfile clearly says Patrick Henry at the end of the quote.  Are you really as dishonest as your posts make you out to be?

Absolutely [:D]




Prinsexx -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 10:10:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bstardsbitch

Prinsexx,
You really have the art of deflection down to a tee.


Pain has made me very thick skinned on forums.




Bstardsbitch -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 10:19:48 AM)

Ok, I can understand that, but that doesn't explain when you are questioned about using other peoples words and passing them off as your own, why you don't admit it, instead of deflecting the issue.
x




NuevaVida -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 11:15:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Prinsexx


If you actually read it you would see that it wasn't...........well if you also count the words and do a mathematical calculation you might find that 20% of it was in fact mine. In my experience the most significant part of it....the point i was trying to make was mine. But who needs to defend oneself anyway? The point you are making about when one looks into the Wiki about Freddie is?


One wasn't looking into Wiki about Nietzsche. One recognized that the words you posted were not at all the writing style one is accustomed to seeing in your posts, and one (correctly) suspected you had used the words from Wiki.

So I would suggest one could either claim credit for writing the Wiki article OR be accountable for plagiarizing.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Looking into the abyss (8/13/2008 12:47:37 PM)

If one lies to oneself for long enough, it becomes second nature to lie to everyone else as well.




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