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Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 6:54:16 AM

slaveboyforyou

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Mayor Cheye Calvo got home from work, saw a package addressed to his wife on the front porch and brought it inside, putting it on a table.

Suddenly, police with guns drawn kicked in the door and stormed in, shooting to death the couple's two dogs and seizing the unopened package.

In it were 32 pounds of marijuana. But the drugs evidently didn't belong to the couple.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=5536184

You hear about the police doing this all the time when they raid homes. But usually it's some poor shmoe with no political weight. You'll see in the article that the police said they felt "threatened.," which is what they always say.

I suspect in this case and in many cases that you have trigger-happy thugs, who are disappointed they didn't get to engage in gunplay with armed criminals. Yeah I know the tired arguments about adrenaline pumping, the police being outgunned, blah, blah, blah. But I think the real problem is that police work tends to attract low IQ, neanderthal thugs who eventually write the policy in their departments.

Police need to have a lot more civilian oversight when it comes to policy, and I think the tactic of ski-masked, men in black with automatic weapons kicking in doors should come to an end. Unless there is justifiable intelligence, search warrants should be executed by regular uniformed police officers and detectives with a knock on the door.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 7:04:54 AM

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The wife`s words really got me.

Not sure what I`d do if someone shot my dogs.Someone would going to jail and someone would going to the ER.

They have to look at the blood stains and think about them till they move out of that home,if ever.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 7:25:01 AM

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so much for dogs as a deterent.

too bad this did not happen to the house with the barking dog here. it drives me nuts! thats what happens when low life TRASH moves in!

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 7:32:58 AM

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The only good thing to come of this is that these are "decent" people who will have first hand knowledge of what really happens. I think that is crucial. They will be cleared eventually.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 7:47:32 AM

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Personally,I think there should mandatory sanctions and penalties for law enforcement,when something like this happens.

On the cops and their commanders,all the way up to the ass-clown judge who signed the warrant.

For judges,a 3 strikes rule,where if you fuck up like this 3 times,you`re out.Same for cops.Three fuck-ups,you`re out.

It would strengthen a weakened constitution and improve the quality of our LEOs and courts.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 7:59:29 AM

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it is beleivable that a mayor would do this.

shots fired are not a good thing.

I think law enforcement get alot of criticism.... dealing with criminals takes a skill.

The grid tho is getting heavy handed. Adding so many "rules" that after a while- why bother?

The concern tho ought to be directed at FEMA.

THAT is when the population is.... well- not treated well.

Change FEMA. I am sure the lawyers will figure the dead dog thing out. HEck they might even get a hefty "settlement".

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 8:21:29 AM

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Honestly, you haven't changed some basic things. I agree that there should be mandatory penalties for law enforcement. If change is to be made,then it will require some deep investigation as citizens of this country into the methods and practices of law enforcement in our society at this point.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 8:38:06 AM

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the drugs evidently didn't belong to the couple.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=5536184

Why was that evident?
Actually I would not expect a mayor to handle such a measly amount.
On the other hand, why frame his wife? If he was the target it would have been addressed to him. So I suspect that it indeed was meant for him via his wife.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
You'll see in the article that the police said they felt "threatened.," which is what they always say.
Police need to have a lot more civilian oversight when it comes to policy, and I think the tactic of ski-masked, men in black with automatic weapons kicking in doors should come to an end. Unless there is justifiable intelligence, search warrants should be executed by regular uniformed police officers and detectives with a knock on the door.

Quite.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I think the real problem is that police work tends to attract low IQ, neanderthal thugs who eventually write the policy in their departments.

I suspect that they usually have a rather high IQ and that is why they are neanderthal thugs.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 8:51:56 AM

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I agree with the mandatory penalties idea. I think warrants should be categorized into high risk, medium risk, low risk (routine). The police should have to convince a judge that they need heavy-handed entries like this, otherwise they have to use regular uniformed cops and knock on the door.

You don't use a sledge hammer to drive tacks, and you don't use SWAT teams to serve warrants on low-level offenders. Everytime I see videos of police serving warrants or read about them in my local paper, you'd think they were raiding Tony Montana's house. Why the fuck do they need 15 cops armed with submachine guns to bust some guy selling quarter bags of pot out of his house?

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 8:53:26 AM

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I disagree with the IQ for a few reasons. One: whatever one is arresting someone for, (what people refer to as the charge-even though the person has not been charged) must match the narrative. That is apparantly quite difficult.

Edited to add: No PC-people like to say shit like-he got off on a technicality. What.........you either have evidence or you don't? Your narrative didn't match the alleged charge? You didn't sign it correctly? You can't write well? Interrogation for X amount of time?

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 8:55:19 AM

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cops shooting dogs??? package with drugs??? total setup...

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 9:11:38 AM

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The idea behind going in with so much firepower is to lessen the chance that someone does something stupid,the thought being that all the visible weapon's will lead to the suspects compliance.Not saying I agree with it ,but this is the reasoning or justification behind it.
Funny thing though all that training and they still wound up shooting the dogs dead,yup adrenaline starts pumping and armed men make mistakes ...even those with the best intentions...draw your own conclusions

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 9:23:23 AM

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"yup adrenaline starts pumping and armed men make mistakes ...even those with the best intentions."

Imo,the founding fathers knew all about the potential failings of people and compensated for it,planned for it,etc.,with the constitution and Bill Of Rights.

It`s not impossible to know just how bad people can fuck up.When we give the power over others to someone,they have to meet a higher expectation of conduct.

As well,there must be protections ,carved in stone,to compensate for what we know happens.

A smarter cop would have phoned and asked for them to surrender,1st.

The stormtrooper`s methods are exactly why the founding fathers made privacy and property rights so strong and clearly spelled out.

I`m afraid that to many are seeing the constitution as quaint and meaningless.Some higher-ups,are pissing on it.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 9:25:55 AM

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Police need to have a lot more civilian oversight when it comes to policy,

Policy isn't set by cops, it is set by mayors, city councils, citizens advisory boards, career bureaucrats and administrators, elected constitutional officers like Sheriffs, or politically appointed brass like Chiefs, etc.

Such 'civilians' are a big part of these problems, so adding more of them is highly unlikely to cause a different outcome.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 9:34:44 AM

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Yeah,watch dog groups,they add to the problem.......

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 9:39:29 AM

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No where in your bill of rights or rather Federal Limitations is there anything that states you have a right to privacy.

It is for this precise reason that Madison was correct in if you list your rights then you have forever limited them.
Right to privacy is IMPLIED and its been implied from SC cases and it has been taken away.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 9:49:43 AM

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Yeah,watch dog groups,they add to the problem.......

Mayors, Chiefs of police, Sheriffs, city councils, and other policy setting politicians are watchdog groups now?
Is this on the same planet where Ruth Bader Ginsberg is a neo-con and Vietnam was a non-issue in the 1972 election, etc, etc?

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 9:56:24 AM

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I was refering to civilian oversight,obviously.Which you claimed added,to the problem?

Come again....

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 10:18:30 AM

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Civilian oversight works if the civilians are educated in the system. The problem is relying on someone else to watch it. There are things that are considered common knowledge that most of the public does not have one iota of. The Reid interrogation method, cops lie on the stand, eye witness testimony, miranda rights, court appointed attorneys, what to pay attention to in a court order, etc. You could very easily be or pick your worst nightmare on the forums the oversight.

I know it wasn't for me, I just happen to be very friggin opinionated here.

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RE: Cops Raid Mayor's Home, Shoot His Dogs - 8/11/2008 10:19:02 AM

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The groups I listed are 'civilian' and they have the oversight and they control the policies that dictate SWAT type operations, no knock tactics, use of force, AND selection of targets for enforcement...
Only on TV do 'the cops' make their own policies. In real life it is civilian politicians who are responsible for the militarization of policing, misuse of warrants, refusal to admit mistakes, and so forth.

Thinking that 'the police' set policy is like thinking that the kid at the local convenience store is the one setting gas prices. Denying that these police actions are the end result of politician's control is like saying that the executives and boards of directors of the oil companies are blameless for the same gas prices.

So what is the rational basis for your labelling Mayors, etc. as 'watchdog groups' again?

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