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RE: Human Nature - 8/9/2008 9:11:05 AM

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Human manipulation of our genetic code isn't evolution in my mind. Its more along the lines of hair dying and stomach stapling - changing appearances to conform to a societal norm.
I have a feeling that true genetic evolution is way more random than that. Unless of course there is a monolith in the back yard.

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RE: Human Nature - 8/9/2008 1:01:08 PM

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Much is debated on that, kind of like the chicken and the egg ideal. The problem I have is that modern technology is fragile and too reliant upon production of resources by man. Those resources can be managed, and even cut off. How many natural disasters remind us that no matter how powerful we believe ourselves to be, nature is the final arbiter. How many times do those disasters occur that shows us the extreme good and bad of human nature, and how many stories that it was our more primal instincts that kept someone alive.

HBE is very interesting to read but I believe we need a couple of more millinea (sp?) to study ourselves to come to more concrete facts.

One thing is for certain, that which does not change becomes extinct.

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Hmm ..... i would have thought that modern technology and industrialization were results of human evolution, not the cause of it.

I also don't think, at the present, we have control of our genetic evolution. Sociological evolution maybe, but not genetic. Heck, if we did, i would be 4 inches taller and have a skinny butt.

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RE: Human Nature - 8/9/2008 3:39:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Human manipulation of our genetic code isn't evolution in my mind. Its more along the lines of hair dying and stomach stapling - changing appearances to conform to a societal norm.
I have a feeling that true genetic evolution is way more random than that. Unless of course there is a monolith in the back yard.

We have seen the horrors of eugenics on a small scale, from our earliest and most ill-advised attempt in which we blindly and stupidly inbred the leaders of the Western world until they became freaks and hemophiliacs. There are people making arguments now that because of the exptremely harsh conditions that imported African slaves were subjected to a few hunderd years ago, the remaining stock was superior, hence today's proliferation of great athletes and artists of African decent. All horribly unscientific. I will not speak to any veracity of those claims.. there is no point in it. But I do want to acknowledge this.. Were we to ASSUME that hypothesis (if you can call it that, since attempting to repeat such a thing is so unethical as to make its proponents into instant pariah) as true, then it only shows that we are completely inept at guiding our species' genetic evolution. Those we sought to raise up, we brought down and vice versa. Still, if you think no one is still dilligently at work making babies with this idea in mind, you are fooling yourself.

Actual evolution involves adapting by mutation, not refinement. Refinement is dangerous stuff.. stay away from it. In the world of animal husbandry it is invariably the mutts that have the edge in the end.

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RE: Human Nature - 8/9/2008 3:40:19 PM

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oops.. double post.

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