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Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 5:59:12 AM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		I'm moving in with my Sir as soon as I find a job in his city. There is position there with flexible hours that would be perfect for me since I have almost 3 years of experience in that type of work. The problem is, I worked briefly for the company in another city for a few days and was terminated for attendence. Four days after I started working there, my son's father went to jail and I had to find a daycare for my son.  This took three days and I did call in. When I returned to work, they said I was terminated because a new employee can't miss more than 2 days of work in the first 30 days.  I explained the situation, but they refused to re-hire me. I'm not an unreliable employee. I've been with my current employer since February and haven't had a single absence. I really want this job because of the flexible hours. Sir often changes his hours around at his job due to college and I'm afraid we'll end up working the wrong hours and never seeing each other. Should I just lie on the application and say I never worked for the company? How likely are they to find out I worked for them for a few days at another location three years ago?

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:11:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly it depends on the company, how often they share/access employee records and how far apart the locations are.
Example, if you are talking about retail stores within the same district they may well recognize your name. Managers in districts often get together and review disciplinary action they are about to, or have taken with employees.

If it were me I would explain the situation only in a face to face interview. I would say that a family member who is no longer around had some serious problems and you were unable to be at work those days, that it was a highly unusual occurance. Add that you really love the position/job/company and are looking forward to being a part.

If I lied and said no I'd never worked with them before, I would get busted at some point lol. I'd forget that I had lied and would end up mentioning something I should have kept quiet.


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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:12:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dont know about anyone else, but as an employer, stating that you are reliable because youve had the same job for 5 months without missing a day of work makes me chuckle. It draws my attention to the fact that you've had the job for only 5 months. I would then start asking what is the longest time you have worked for one employer.

Don't lie, that is grounds for dismissal if they find out. Just avoid it, if possible

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:15:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't avoid it because the application asks if I've ever worked for the company. As far as my job history goes....the job before my current one was a temporary summer job since I was a full time college student. They knew that when they hired me and I gave notice when I quit. The job before that, I was there almost 3 years and the company closed down. How's that for an employment history? lol

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:20:55 AM   
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I dont know about anyone else, but as an employer, stating that you are reliable because youve had the same job for 5 months without missing a day of work makes me chuckle. It draws my attention to the fact that you've had the job for only 5 months. I would then start asking what is the longest time you have worked for one employer.

Don't lie, that is grounds for dismissal if they find out. Just avoid it, if possible


I totally agree with the chuckling over working for 5 months with reliability. Since you are in your mid-30's I would not be able to see you as an experienced employee with only 5 months under your belt unless you had spent that time raising kids.

5 months doesn't even make it to the end of most probationary periods in a job.

Good luck on this job, being honest IMO is just plain easier.


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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:27:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have almost 3 years experience in this specific line of work and I worked for the company I got that experience at for almost 3 years. The only reason I'm not still there is they closed down. I'm not someone that can't keep a job more than a few months.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:29:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay since it seems this is a paper application that you are filling out, what I would do is answer 'yes' and also write that it didn't work out at the time due to an emergency you needed to take care of, or write 'yes' and that you'd like to discuss it in person with the HR manager or whomever you are sending it to.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:35:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The whole point of the appl process is to weed out those they have no interest in.  For the person applying, it's about getting yourself an in person interview. 

If you lie and they find out at any point in the future they can fire you on the spot.   I would just put yes, and then expalin it when they call you.  However they may just look up your personal record and decide no. 

It's one of those you're dammed if you do, you're dammed if you don't.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:40:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

Honestly it depends on the company, how often they share/access employee records and how far apart the locations are.
Example, if you are talking about retail stores within the same district they may well recognize your name.



They aren't in the same district. The counties they are in are about an hour and a half apart. I'm really confused now. I thought maybe I could be honest if I said I haven't had any absences at my current job. From what's being said on here, that's not going to do any good. Yet I'm also being told I shouldn't lie. Am I just screwed no matter what I do?

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:50:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you lie on that form and get the job you will spend every day that you are there worried that this is the day they will find out. The stress you will put on yourself will not be worth it. If they do find out you will be fired. 

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:54:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Honesty is the best policy if they are asking a specific question. In this day of technology and information sharing it would be very likely that they would find out. It would suck to get fired several months into a job you really enjoyed because someone found out you lied.

As for the whole issue regarding length of employment, I think 3 years is about the length of my shortest. With my current job being the second shortest, at 7 years. Time flies when your having fun.


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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:56:26 AM   
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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:56:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		The last retail job I worked (12 years) I was office manager, cashier, bookseller. Our district covered several states which is why I asked. I also processed applications and it really really depends on who is reviewing them.
Some will toss those that have extra notes.
Some will toss those that they just don't have a good feel for.

I can't really give you a solid answer, I am sorry. I would say 'yes' and add 'with explanation, it was very short term' then leave it at that.
Your SSI is tied into the payroll section already, so when you get processed you are probably already in there unless they are super efficient.
See thats why there is no perfect answer, but I told you what I would do.

Lying is risky, too risky IMO.
Hopefully you will get a chance to explain, if your app is accepted you will talk to someone face to face.
I would NOT go into details, the jail stuff.. no no. Keep it simple, emergency situation that cannot arise again. Actually that is the part I would lie about, I would not ever bring up the actual situation of problems with a dependent who may need you to leave work again.. or a problematic ex.
Those details will hurt you.

Sure it is illegal to skip an app because someone is a single parent............but it happens. I would say something like I had an unavoidable family funeral and live with that lie.


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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:56:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well i have found being dishonest can come back to bite you and not in a good way. And if you are not honest, like the job, and there is a cut back, the employer will look for a reason to cut someone so they do not have be at fault.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 6:59:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

As for the whole issue regarding length of employment, I think 3 years is about the length of my shortest. With my current job being the second shortest, at 7 years. Time flies when your having fun.



I think the length has more to do with the field you are in.  When I was in Real Estate, I changed offices all the time.  But I was in the career for over 20 years.
Now I'm in entertainment and people come and go on a daily basis, you get hired for a job when the job is over you're gone. 

So time on the job really depends on what career and what the norm is for that position. 

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 7:07:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a side note, I worked for at&t for just over 33 years. They would routinely fire employees who lied on an application and we had a national union ( CWA ).

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 7:13:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just wanted to 'ditto' Camille's advice...  tell them that yes, you worked there for a brief period of time, had an unavoidable family emergency and it didn't work out.  Lying about it being a funeral should be fine - don't get into the story about jail, the ex, etc.

Good luck to you.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 7:55:49 AM   
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Should I just lie on the application and say I never worked for the company? How likely are they to find out I worked for them for a few days at another location three years ago?

Pretty damn likely.  If it is the same company (and not a collection of franchises), there is likely a single personnel department--where your file resides.

Roll the dice and tell the truth.  If they hire you anyway, you're in with no worries.  If you lie, they can fire you at any time for falsifying the job application.  Who wants to work always waiting for the other shoe to drop?


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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 9:40:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree with folks who are telling you not to lie, but rather explain briefly what occurred.  Also, try to get written references, or permission to use your old co-workers and supervisors as references.  I've job hopped all over the country, once held a job for less than 2 months, the longest 6 1/2 years.  Each job change was pursuant to a life change.  And I've done the same job for almost 20 years.  Although, in my favor, experienced people are hard to come by in my field, so we tend to be snapped up pretty quickly.  I've gotten every job I've ever applied for based simply on my resume,  With two of them, the employement testing was just a formality of the paperwork....they knew I was getting the job.

Honesty IS the best policy.....they will hire you for your skills if they really think that they can use you. 

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 9:52:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Honesty is the best policy if they are asking a specific question. In this day of technology and information sharing it would be very likely that they would find out. It would suck to get fired several months into a job you really enjoyed because someone found out you lied.


I bet they'd find out before she even started work -- somebody would be entering her social security number into the employee database and it would pop up as being already in there. Being in a different city shouldn't make a difference -- HR functions like record keeping and payroll tend to be centralized with various locations tapping into it on a network.

So the likely outcome of lying on the application could be she gets a job offer, they discover the lie, then rescind it before she starts. I suppose that little drama would get reported here, so it could give us something to look forward to.

So to answer the question, yes, lie!


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