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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 10:04:06 AM   
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How likely are they to find out I worked for them for a few days at another location three years ago?


It depends on how they keep records.  If employee records are computerized (and most likely, they are... at least for payroll), then when they go to add a new employee record for you, when they input your social security number you will come up already having a record with them.

Edited to add:  Sorry, happypervert... I didn't notice that you'd already pointed this out.


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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 12:25:36 PM   
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As a Manager and one who has taken many classes on Career Applications I would fill out the application like this.

Hit Yes and when it asks for the dates Write "Please Ask" and then leave it at that. During the Interview you can explain the whole situation. NEVER LIE!!!! EVER!!! I only lied on an Application once and they found out and I was fired for it.

andi is a Felon with a Plea in Abayance (SP?) meaning that when she finishes the program she the charges will be dropped however until that time if you do a Background check on her she is a has plead guilty to a Felony charge. When she was looking for jobs she wasn't getting any calls back and I know she should have cause I typed up her resume. When I found out that she was putting Yes she was a Felon on her Application I told her to stop and start writing Please ask. She went from getting no call backs to 7 in one day.

The application process is a simple one, get all your Resumes and Applications and only keep the ones that fit the bill, and are clean of worry marks then call those apps back. If you cant get in for an interview you will never get the job so don't lie just give them a question to ask you leter so that they can judge the PERSON not the Application.

Trust me Employers RESPECT This because it gives them the ability to see you as a Person and relate to the Human Quality in the Interview Process however when reviewing applications it is a demerit and will usually get you looked over. Also by putting "Please Ask" on an Application it helps your application stand out among the rest. I have been called back for jobs I was totally unqualified for just because they were nosy and wanted to know the situation. I was hired for jobs that I was unqualified for because they liked the person more than they cared about the qualifications.

I have done 3 Leadership International Retreats and have taken 2 classes on Effective Hiring and Employee management if you are interested in some pointers on how to land that great job just ask on the other side.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 3:05:03 PM   
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. Should I just lie on the application and say I never worked for the company? How likely are they to find out I worked for them for a few days at another location three years ago?

Very very damn likely.  I'd bet they have a centralized database that would pick this up.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 3:07:00 PM   
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The job before that, I was there almost 3 years and the company closed down. How's that for an employment history? lol

Most of the companies I've worked for, over a 15 year period, have closed by going out of business, or were bought out.  That's just life in high tech.

Until my current job, the longest I worked for a company was 5 years, and the shortest was 6 months.  I had positions of increasing responsibility within the same field, so folks didn't take me for a job-hopper; however, I had to explain the 6 months.  That was due to a disaster of a reorganization and I decided to go to grad school. 

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 3:19:45 PM   
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... Hit Yes and when it asks for the dates Write "Please Ask" and then leave it at that.

... Trust me Employers RESPECT This because it gives them the ability to see you as a Person and relate to the Human Quality in the Interview Process however when reviewing applications it is a demerit and will usually get you looked over. Also by putting "Please Ask" on an Application it helps your application stand out among the rest.


Sorry, Steel... as a trained, certified, and experienced Human Resources Management professional, I would highly recommend this not be done.  The question asks for dates, not anything else.  If a person cannot follow the simple instructions on an application, their chances of being hired are greatly reduced.  The one portion above in bold is the only one I would consider correct.

The following are the best pointers I could give to someone seeking a job...

1)  The company has to have an opening or be willing to make an opening.
2)  You need to be qualified for the position.
3)  You need to apply following the company's stated application process.  (A application form, filled out very neatly, completely, and without spelling errors is enough to make it stand out.)
4)  If called for an interview, you need to show up precisely on time, neat, clean and dressed appropriately, and prepared to give clear, intelligent answers to the interviewers questions.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 4:20:12 PM   
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Well I am sorry that you disagree.

I have never once been denied an Interview and I have Please ask written on nearly HALF of the applications I have ever filled out. I have worked for Large Business Firms as an Account Manager as well as Project Manager for Major Profit and Non-Profit entities. I have also applied to smaller companies and worked for mom and pop shops. I'm not trying to puff myself up here I am simply saying that for all your experience I have experinced the exact opposite, I have used that method for applying for jobs ever since I was Taught it in a Management Training Class Called Raport Leadership International which is an Anthony Robbins outfit.

And I quote.

"When in the Resume Process there are many companies that will have you fill out an application with your resume. In Most cases it is a matter of company policy, as a head hunter it will show how neatly you can write by hand as well as how clearly you can express your past as it pertains to the industry you are to be working in. The Problem with this process is everyone becomes a set of Papers. No Face to see no Emotions to go on, you cannot make a personal connection to the hiring entity, If you can grab thier attention by asking them to ask you a question there is a large chance you will be noticed if for no other reason then they have a question they should ask you before throwing you into another faceless pile"

In the last 5 years I have been a Hiring Manager for 2 companies and Office Manager for another. All of them ask for College Education when it asks if I have a BA I always answer. Please Ask. This allows me to say No I don't but I am activly persuing one and have taken the Raport Leadership Retreats. By them asking me what I ment when I said please ask, the Interview Process is started out with them actually wanting to know something about me.

Different Strokes for Different Folks. Apparently it is a good idea I never applied at any one of your companies apparently I would not have been hired but like I said I have never been over looked for it before.  And I still suggest if she really wants this job to put Please Ask in the portion of the application as it will at very least get her foot in the door.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 4:47:33 PM   
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This is an easier problem than some others, because it's not going to follow you to different companies. I'd go with Steele's advice, because anything else is going to put you in the round file. Just filling in the blanks doesn't give the whole story, and even if it's filling in the blanks letter perfect--as Treasure & most HR people will tell you is best--you're in the "nope" pile. If you are one of two people applying for the job, maybe not, but I'm pretty sure yours won't be the only application to hit the desk.

Saying no (aka LYING) won't ever end well, and the longer it goes before the end the worse the end will be. If they don't like the rest of your resume/application, you're in the round file anyway. If they do, the other shoe will drop. If it drops when they're putting your info in the database, they're irritated, tell you not to come work for them, and talk about it with their friends over dinner. Those friends might have been potential employers, and now they know you're a liar. If it doesn't drop until you have worked there, you get fired, have a huge black mark on your permanent record & have to do the whole job search thing again--and you're still dinner conversation.

If you go with "Please ask" you are tickling their nosiness, and depending on how impressive the rest of your application is, you maybe don't hit the round file. If the rest of everything is mediocre, it may be the thing that prevents you from getting a call back. But if the rest of it shines, it's a question that you will hear in the interview.

And you'll have a very good answer at that time, won't you?  Of course you will, because you know it's coming! I would just say "child-care emergency" and be prepared to talk about how you have not only the best paid child care on the planet that will never fall through, but you also have some other person who can operate as backup. And then you have another person. You've learned your lesson, because that cost you a really great job (oh yeah, that was with the same company, huh, fancy that, it was your dream job and you were sure it was going to make you and the company millions) and that will NEVER EVER happen again. They can't ask about child care (unless they fall under certain # of employees or some other loophole) but if you do have that covered six different ways with another dozen backup plans, it's nice to work that in there.

Leave out the jail part. I'm pretty sure that even though it wasn't you or someone you still care about. . .it still could come out wrong and land you in the round file.

Good luck.

(This advice brought to you by countless of dinner conversations between my father, VP of HR for Fortune 500 company & my stepmother, Dir of Personnel for a large area hospital.)

Aside to Treasure: You are technically right, and I know that from the employer POV you are certainly right. But if you've got something that is going to land you in the round file if filled in letter perfect, it's a better bet to hope that whoever sees the resume is intrigued enough to talk about it. I can't think of a way that someone with less than a week in a job is going to be eligible for rehire, so her best bet with this company is to hope that she knocks their socks off with everything else, so that they want to go to bat for her to be rehired. The good news is that it's not a felony--it won't follow her to another company.

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RE: Should I be honest? - 7/28/2008 4:49:17 PM   
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well, i'm a firm believer that  being dis-honest will come back and bite you in the ass someday, and if i were you, i'd lay all my cards on the table and be completely honest about working for the company and the reason behind the termination.

regardless of how big or small a company is, it only takes a phone call to prove you are lying, if you do in fact lie about the situation, and that my friend, can blackball your reputation and future chances of securing a position among many companies since the walls have ears and everyone seems to know someone in the business end of things.

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