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Level -> Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 5:44:09 PM)

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Because they are so clearly designed for the convenience of large testing companies, I had always assumed that multiple-choice tests, the bane of any fourth grader's existence, were a quintessentially American phenomenon. But apparently I was wrong. According to a report put out by the Hudson Institute's Center for Religious Freedom last week, it seems that Saudi Arabians find them useful, too. Here, for example, is a multiple-choice question that appears in a recent edition of a Saudi fourth-grade textbook, Monotheism and Jurisprudence, in a section that attempts to teach children to distinguish "true" from "false" belief in god:

Q. Is belief true in the following instances:
a) A man prays but hates those who are virtuous.
b) A man professes that there is no deity other than God but loves the unbelievers.
c) A man worships God alone, loves the believers, and hates the unbelievers.

The correct answer, of course, is c). According to the Wahhabi imams who wrote this textbook, it isn't enough just to worship god or just to love other believers—it is important to hate unbelievers as well. By the same token, b) is also wrong. Even a man who worships god cannot be said to have "true belief" if he loves unbelievers.

"Unbelievers," in this context, are Christians and Jews. In fact, any child who sticks around in Saudi schools until ninth grade will eventually be taught that "Jews and Christians are enemies of believers." They will also be taught that Jews conspire to "gain sole control of the world," that the Christian crusades never ended, and that on Judgment Day "the rocks or the trees" will call out to Muslims to kill Jews.


http://www.slate.com/id/2195684/

Not surprising, but sad.




Sanity -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 6:49:41 PM)

They hate us regardless of George Bush, regardless of Israel, regardless of our purchasing their oil...

They hate us simply because we're infidels. Everything else is just gravy.

So the only question that remains is, is it football season yet? Go Seahawks!




kittinSol -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 6:53:45 PM)

America's greatest enemy is also one of its greatest allies.

The world... remains... what it's always been: a terrain of hypocrisy, from all sides.

NEXT!




Sanity -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 7:04:53 PM)

Its Wahabbiism that's the enemy, far more than any one government. Radical Islam transcends boundaries, and leaders  often differ from their people in the way international affairs are seen and handled. Jihadists can come from central London, or from Florida - their point of origin means little or nothing though. To Say Saudi Arabia is an enemy is missing a very large part of the picture.




kittinSol -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 7:07:04 PM)

Cultural enemy, political ally because of economics... so far, so good. Hello.




Owner59 -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 9:00:27 PM)



There are nutty people over there,saying about us,....they hate this,they hate us,they hate ,hate, hate.

Just like here...

The mistake that the nutters over there and here share,is lumping all people into the same boat.




ArtCatDom -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 9:28:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Its Wahabbiism that's the enemy, far more than any one government. Radical Islam transcends boundaries, and leaders  often differ from their people in the way international affairs are seen and handled. Jihadists can come from central London, or from Florida - their point of origin means little or nothing though. To Say Saudi Arabia is an enemy is missing a very large part of the picture.


Wahabi beliefs came to the fore when the House of Saud came to power. Empowered by oil money, they exported their particular brand of fundamentalism throughout the Islamic world. Saudi princes (who number in the hundreds) are the principal financial backers and architects of Wahabist mosques and training schools. Saudi money and control over Mecca & Medina by way of the Saudis is the thing unifying all Wahabists (who come in many, often contradictory, varieties). The Saudi royalty is central to the spread, perpetuation and legitimacy of the Wahabi sect. Without the immense financial and moral support of the Saudis, Wahabism would be a pale shadow, a fringe belief and little more.
  




Vendaval -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 11:01:24 PM)

I do not think there is much we can do aside from diplomatic means.




BrokenSaint -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 11:15:35 PM)

You think that's bad? Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0zE64thJ4

First time I saw this I was convinced someone had slipped me a large amount of drugs.




ArtCatDom -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/22/2008 11:59:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BrokenSaint

You think that's bad? Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0zE64thJ4

First time I saw this I was convinced someone had slipped me a large amount of drugs.



It's a show called "The Pioneers of Tomorrow".




thishereboi -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 5:36:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59



There are nutty people over there,saying about us,....they hate this,they hate us,they hate ,hate, hate.

Just like here...

The mistake that the nutters over there and here share,is lumping all people into the same boat.


Good point.

Oh and if your going to be burning words into my mind, you better make em good......




Alumbrado -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 5:42:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Its Wahabbiism that's the enemy, far more than any one government. Radical Islam transcends boundaries, and leaders  often differ from their people in the way international affairs are seen and handled. Jihadists can come from central London, or from Florida - their point of origin means little or nothing though. To Say Saudi Arabia is an enemy is missing a very large part of the picture.


Wahabi beliefs came to the fore when the House of Saud came to power. Empowered by oil money, they exported their particular brand of fundamentalism throughout the Islamic world. Saudi princes (who number in the hundreds) are the principal financial backers and architects of Wahabist mosques and training schools. Saudi money and control over Mecca & Medina by way of the Saudis is the thing unifying all Wahabists (who come in many, often contradictory, varieties). The Saudi royalty is central to the spread, perpetuation and legitimacy of the Wahabi sect. Without the immense financial and moral support of the Saudis, Wahabism would be a pale shadow, a fringe belief and little more.




As an aside, a few years ago, I went to a luncheon talk here, where Prince Bandar went to great lengths to blame everything on the wahabists, talked about a crackdown with many arrests, and assured the audience that 'twue' Saudis were long time friends of America...

Of course he also talked about how liberated Saudi women were, citing as proof that many of them owned more than one business...[;)]




Owner59 -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 7:12:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom

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ORIGINAL: BrokenSaint

You think that's bad? Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0zE64thJ4

First time I saw this I was convinced someone had slipped me a large amount of drugs.



It's a show called "The Pioneers of Tomorrow".



It goes both ways.

The 1st moments of this vid are of Israeli UMs signing bombs and writing "love" notes on them,just before the bomb attack on Lebanon ,two years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDeTQXQImE


Thank god we don`t have haters like that here,doing the same things.[8|]




Sanity -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 7:49:23 AM)


Are you suggesting that Level is nutty for recognizing or pointing out the reality of Wahhabi textbooks, that they're teaching their children to hate?

Or what is it that you're saying.


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ORIGINAL: Owner59



There are nutty people over there,saying about us,....they hate this,they hate us,they hate ,hate, hate.

Just like here...

The mistake that the nutters over there and here share,is lumping all people into the same boat.




uninterested5 -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 10:18:12 AM)

World peace and Islam can't co-exist? No shit? Islamic culture is an oxymoron and until the West finally finds a way to build a ten-trillion-candlepower lantern of high-concentrated common sense nothing worthwhile in that culture dump will ever exist.




Owner59 -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 10:26:44 AM)

Roar!




Aynne -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 10:43:57 AM)

Ha ha ha ha ha .... Owner you are too much[:)] 




philosophy -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 12:17:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uninterested5

Islamic culture is an oxymoron


.......ah, now i see why you chose your nickname.......uninterested in history, facts, mathematics, architecture, music, food, science, language, etc, etc.......




MrRodgers -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 1:48:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uninterested5

World peace and Islam can't co-exist? No shit? Islamic culture is an oxymoron and until the West finally finds a way to build a ten-trillion-candlepower lantern of high-concentrated common sense nothing worthwhile in that culture dump will ever exist.

I agree as Islam has almost nothing but prayer...songs and lectures about prayer and are mired in a civilization (culture) that is 100 - 200 years old while supported by nothing more than sitting on top of oceans of oil. Once the west weans itself off of it...they're likely doomed.

This OP is about HATE being taught in school books. It is not just directed at the Jews and Christians...it is directed as EVERYBODY who is NOT Wahhabi or ANYBODY they feel is an infidel.

Bin Laden for example, wants the Saudis rulers taken down because their government deals with the west and allows any westerners (infidels) to even set foot on Saudi soil.

This means in the Arab Wahhabi school books...HATE is being taught and I suggest that Arabs and muslim will eventually HATE other Arabs and muslims and especialy those that have anything to do with the OTHER infidels. That's why we will never see peace in the middle east in our lifetimes. Those that seek peace are and will be labeled infidels and be targeted.

What would the world say and write if America started to teach such hate in our 4th grade text books ? I think we know the answer to that question.




Politesub53 -> RE: Inside a Saudi textbook (7/23/2008 4:49:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I agree as Islam has almost nothing but prayer...songs and lectures about prayer and are mired in a civilization (culture) that is 100 - 200 years old while supported by nothing more than sitting on top of oceans of oil. Once the west weans itself off of it...they're likely doomed.

This OP is about HATE being taught in school books. It is not just directed at the Jews and Christians...it is directed as EVERYBODY who is NOT Wahhabi or ANYBODY they feel is an infidel.

Bin Laden for example, wants the Saudis rulers taken down because their government deals with the west and allows any westerners (infidels) to even set foot on Saudi soil.

This means in the Arab Wahhabi school books...HATE is being taught and I suggest that Arabs and muslim will eventually HATE other Arabs and muslims and especialy those that have anything to do with the OTHER infidels. That's why we will never see peace in the middle east in our lifetimes. Those that seek peace are and will be labeled infidels and be targeted.

What would the world say and write if America started to teach such hate in our 4th grade text books ? I think we know the answer to that question.


So how many of the worlds Muslims practice Wahhabism ? Its like saying all Christians worship with rattlesnakes, because a few do it.

While you are working that out, which two religions were the first to claim there was only one God, the one they supported ? I will give you a clue, the answer is in your post.




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