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LotusSong -> Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 5:22:48 PM)

We have so many posts on age and delving into BDSM, M/s, D/s etc.  I think explanations would clarify things by sharing how you were when you started and how you are later in life. As in, how was your mindset and what was your main motivation when you began  as a legal teen and  how has maturity and experiences changed you? Let's hear from those who have 2-3 decades under thier belt that started young.
 
If you could go back in time- what would the mature you say to your younger you?




TreasureKY -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 7:58:40 PM)

I'm not sure I entirely understand your question, and I didn't begin with BDSM when I was young, but I'll give it a stab...

I'm not one to have regrets.  I've long answered the question, "if you could do it all over again, what would you change?" with the answer, "nothing".  It isn't that my life has been perfect or that there aren't things I wish would have been different.  It's just that I believe that everything I've lived and experienced play a role in making me into the person that I am today... and I happen to like me and where (and who) my life has led me to.

That being said, if the mature me were to meet the youth that I was, my words would be ones of encouragement... "be patient, the best is yet to come".  [:D]




MistressYlwa -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 8:02:28 PM)

Well, this does take me back.  Was 19, when I was first introduced to the lifestyle. But became serious about it, around the age of 21, when I found a wonderful mentor.  Her experience and maturity gave me the foundations that I still use today.

Motivation is easy to explain. No way did I want to obey anyone else and loved being in control of those I was involved with.  Finding the lifestyle was the best thing that ever happened to me. It showed me that what I wanted and needed in my life was not strange or perverted. That there were others who felt the way I did.  The most exciting part was learning that this had been around forever, though it was a bit of disappointment, finding out that it was not my own personal discovery. lol

My mindset...hmmmmm.  In my early years was mainly curious as to how to present myself and my need for control. I had needs and feelings that had to be expressed and I was determined to find ways to do that.

After 30+ yrs, I am still learning and growing. Trying new things, discarding those that don't offer satisfaction or give me pleasure.  I am not as "serious" as I was as a young Dom.  I have learned to relax and truly enjoy the lifestyle I live. That a Power Exchange is exactly what it says it is. I am still fight my worst trait, which is selfishness. Maybe, in 30 more years, I will have finally conquered that. But not holding my breath. lol

What would I tell my younger self?

Don't be the biggest bitch on the block. It gets you nowhere.  Listen to those around you, who have experiences to share. Just because they are not older or are new to the lifestyle, does not mean they don't have something to offer. (Remembering missed opportunities now).  Dom does not mean you have the right to be an ass to everyone. And one last thing:

Learn more about computers and invest in Microsoft. I want to retire much richer than I am now. lol




Missokyst -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 8:07:19 PM)

I was directed to this path from a young age.  Not exactly consensual.. heck, not at all consensual really.  But sometimes life  happens.  What it ended up doing was sexualizing me before my time.  It focused my thoughts on pleasure and pain, bondage and humiliation, what is acceptable and from whom.  It made it so that everything that happened was the only way I could find peace. 
I doubt there is anything I could tell the younger me which would have changed things.  The younger me had already learned to make things work by my teens.  I don't think many people can say that.  Life is what you make of it.  
Kyst 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 8:25:03 PM)

I'm too young to have anything more than a decade as "legal" teen :)




petdave -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 8:54:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong
If you could go back in time- what would the mature you say to your younger you?


"Dude... you are SO fucked" [:o]

"Oh, and tell Dad to buy lots of Microsoft stock. Trust me."




LotusSong -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 9:50:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I'm too young to have anything more than a decade as "legal" teen :)

Don't feel alone.  I don't qualify to contribute to my own discussion.   [:D]




Leatherist -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 10:44:47 PM)

Don't get involved with the sca.




RumpusParable -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/17/2008 11:28:03 PM)

Speaking from the pretend of only my legal years:

I think, for me, the most defining thing of my approach and interests -not just in BDSM but in almost all areas of my life- has been the consistant curiosity and exploration.  I've never felt hesitant or doubting of myself in this or other major interest or views of mine.  As I found something I liked, by accident or by purposefully exploring, I went with it.  -And I've always been open to that exploration and accidental finding.  

It's been the same from day one til now... I place no limits or judgements on myself and where my interests may turn to later, I only have what are my limits *now*... and always want to find out about other things, whether or not they'll ever be of any interest to me.  I just go through life and try new things, learn new things, and decide what's right for me at that point in time.

The only thing that has changed has been finding out the special words others use for things, applying other people's vocabulary, and learning new methods and meeting more people.  Basically, I've just gathered information over the years and keep doing so as best I can.

What I'd say to my 18 yr old self, since that's our framework?  Make as much use of your time in Germany as you can.




AquaticSub -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 1:30:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

If you could go back in time- what would the mature you say to your younger you?



Don't do wax play in your awesome dress - just take it off.

Granted I'm not old enough to have the required decades either but I couldn't resist providing that information. [:D]




Missokyst -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 2:48:57 AM)

Dang it.  Now I can only picture you in tights, a pointed codpiece and a billowy shirt.
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Don't get involved with the sca.




pompeii -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 7:12:50 AM)

Konrad Lorenz had the early imprinting all figured out. I'd like to research how early imprinting, at a developing time in the human, relates to kinky behavior later in life.

For me, it was reading all those trashy spy novels and watching mainstream movies where the pretty yet helpless girl was saved after being tied up on the railroad tracks, in a revealingly torn blouse and uplifted skirt and still wearing heels, of course ...




Maxwell67 -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 8:59:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

We have so many posts on age and delving into BDSM, M/s, D/s etc.  I think explanations would clarify things by sharing how you were when you started and how you are later in life. As in, how was your mindset and what was your main motivation when you began  as a legal teen and  how has maturity and experiences changed you? Let's hear from those who have 2-3 decades under thier belt that started young.
 
If you could go back in time- what would the mature you say to your younger you?


Of course, the proper answer to this is "I would change nothing of my past life, since that would change who I am now, and I very much like who I am today."  However, putting that aside, I would have told myself to seek out the BDSM community, I think, and to get more guidance about how to maintain a relationship with a D/s or M/s dynamic in a healthy manner.. (hell, even being told it was possible to maintain them and have it be healthy at all would have been nice). 

When I started out, I just a horny boy on the vanilla dating scene.  I was already primarily attracted to submissive women, but my motivation was purely to get laid (as it was for nearly every other boy my age at the time, I think).  I ended each relationship because I was made to feel guilty about the amount of control I was wielding over them. 

During one relationship, the girls father told me she was too dependent on me (purely because her entire sense of self-worth was based on my opinion of her) and had to be weaned from my will if she was going to grow into a mature and responsible adult.. it made sense to me at the time so although I still loved her, I ended it.  She tried to commit suicide when I broke off the relationship.  I carried her screaming through the streets of my small town because she kept trying to run in  front of traffic to the home of a friend whose mother was a suicide councilor, and she was immediately hospitalized.

Later, when I was in college, a girl I was dating told me she would do anything I wanted her to, that I could make any request and she would obey. I degraded her, made her feel like she needed to be psychic to know what I wanted and when she was not able to glean my desires on her own I sent her away crying, only to take her back again when she came literally crawling and back to camp outside my door.  I never asked her limits and I am sure I overstepped them often, doing terrible things to her (with no safeword, after all she had told me I could do anything I wanted - what an idiot I was).. or making her do things she hated simply to see if she would do them (on more than one occasion I was trying to get rid of her this way, hoping she would decide she had had enough.. that never happened). That went on for two years. When I was finished with her I threw her away for a vanilla relationship that lasted an eye blink

If I had been given a proper educational foundation in the lifestyle I think I would have handled the majority of my early relationships very differently.




mistoferin -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 9:13:09 AM)

I'd warn myself about a couple of impending potholes but other than that I'd tell myself to just keep moving forward...you're on the right road.




AAkasha -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 9:35:13 AM)


I have memories of being fascinated with male helplessness at the age of watching cartoons and playing harmless spy, indian, cop games as a kid. I come from a very normal, happy upbringing with no abuse or odd sexualities. At the age that boys had cooties, I playfully tied them up and teased them. As soon as I was old enough to date, I remember clearly having more butterflies in my stomach about the first time I tied a guy's wrists together than the first time I kissed a boy "for real."  My desire to tie up, tease, manipulate men emerged and developed concurrently with my sexuality as a result, so I had my first wonderful, mindblowing S&M experiences before I ever had sexual intercourse.

My 20s were spend refining my seduction style and researching what "S&M" was; the Internet was new and not really what it is today, so I read a lot about in journals and what studies were available, just trying to get an idea of what I was into. My mid-20s I got a sense of what BDSM parties and gatherings were and met my first self-labeled 'submissive' men vs. boyfriends I just converted as part of my courting process.

I don't think I'd change anything about the way I did things.  I can't ever recall not having a very primal desire to dominate a man.  I wouldn't change a thing!

Akasha




califsue -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 9:37:11 AM)

Interesting discussion although I did not discover my submissive side until well into my 40's and although I believe all my life experiences led me to where I am today at times I do wish I could change the past. I find it interesting that so many young people seem to know what they want and at times in looking back I wish I had known more at a younger age.  I got married/divorced and then spent 20 years in an on/off again vanilla relationship that was truly never satisfying. In hindsight, I was waiting for him  to take control which did not ever happen. I began to feel submissive and the need for someone else to have the control in my mid to late 30's and began exploring in my early to mid 40's and have explored on/off for the past 10 years and during that time have also had vanilla experiences. In 2006 I felt I was ready and took an ad out on alt. Met someone and then I took off in the mental sense. Told him I couldn't do it. In 2007 I began exploring again both vanilla and bdsm. The vanilla was okay but just not doing it for me but the bdsm play was wonderful. In third quarter 2007 sent a note to my friend and fast foward he is now Master. It is a slow process as he doesn't want me running again and I won't be anytime soon as it just feels right. I am thankful I have him and although I came to it late in life, I am glad I awakened while I am still young enough to enjoy the experience.




Leatherist -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 9:56:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Dang it.  Now I can only picture you in tights, a pointed codpiece and a billowy shirt.
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Don't get involved with the sca.



Naw, I was a viking. But the whole experience did leave me with a virulent hatred of cliquish fantasy role players who thought that what they did was "real"




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 10:16:15 AM)

Do NOT flog wax off unless you are OUTSIDE.  The mess is just unbelievable.





Leatherist -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 10:17:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Do NOT flog wax off unless you are OUTSIDE.  The mess is just unbelievable.




And it will gum up your vacuum cleaner. [:D]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Early Starts and How it Turns Out (7/18/2008 10:18:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Do NOT flog wax off unless you are OUTSIDE.  The mess is just unbelievable.




And it will gum up your vacuum cleaner. [:D]


It was the hotel vacuum cleaner, no big deal! [8D]




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