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Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 4:01:19 AM   
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ATLANTA (AP) — The Atkins diet may have proved itself after all: A low-carb diet and a Mediterranean-style regimen helped people lose more weight than a traditional low-fat diet in one of the longest and largest studies to compare the dueling weight-loss techniques.

A bigger surprise: The low-carb diet improved cholesterol more than the other two. Some critics had predicted the opposite.

"It is a vindication," said Abby Bloch of the Dr. Robert C. and Veronica Atkins Foundation, a philanthropy group that honors the Atkins' diet's creator and was the study's main funder.


No surprise here..... but, of course, the ignorant mainstream tries to downplay certain politically incorrect aspect of the low carb way of eating:

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The low-carb diet set limits for carbohydrates, but none for calories or fat. It urged dieters to choose vegetarian sources of fat and protein.

"So not a lot of butter and eggs and cream," said Madelyn Fernstrom, a University of Pittsburgh Medical Center weight management expert who reviewed the study but was not involved in it.


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g5nH6bV4fr0ofSKGT8ZjkSVjbM_AD91V64HG0

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 5:04:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		My mother tried just about every diet that ever came out. She claimed Atkins was the only one that really helped her lose weight and keep it off.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 5:17:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't really need to diet, but I couldn't do the Atkins thing.  I just love sugar and carbs too much.  Pasta, sugar, potatoes, bread of all kinds, oh and pasta again.  Did I mention I really like pasta? 

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 5:26:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Atkins "diet" is a self induced form of malnutrition known as Ketosis.  This comes from the complete avoidance of carbohydrates.  This differs from low carb diets which allow for enoguh carbs to remain healthy, in general.

My mother, a personal trainer, nailed it 30 years ago:  Eat less cake, less bread, less pasta, more turkey, more hardboiled eggs, and work out more.  Stretch occasionally.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 5:28:57 AM   
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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 6:50:05 AM   
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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 7:17:24 AM   
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The Atkins "diet" is a self induced form of malnutrition known as Ketosis.  This comes from the complete avoidance of carbohydrates.  This differs from low carb diets which allow for enoguh carbs to remain healthy, in general.


Not entirely true.  Complete avoidance of carbs is only for the first two weeks.  Then it's low carb.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 7:47:57 AM   
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Average weight loss for those in the low-carb group was 10.3 pounds after two years. Those in the Mediterranean diet lost 10 pounds, and those on the low-fat regimen dropped 6.5.


This quote depressed me and backed up various things I've heard about how darned hard it is to actually lose weight and keep it off for a sustained amount of time.  I'd think that after dieting for two years, people would lose more than an average of 10 pounds.

It makes me wonder whether exercise or activity level was a factor in this study - it doesn't sound it. 


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The new study's results favored the Atkins-like approach less when subgroups such as diabetics and women were examined. 

Among the 36 diabetics, only those on the Mediterranean diet lowered blood sugar levels. Among the 45 women, those on the Mediterranean diet lost the most weight.



The above two quotes stood out to me, since, I'm a woman and have type 2 diabetes in my family and strive to avoid it.  It's not always about losing weight when someone watches their diet - focusing on the specific health benefits they may need to achieve should help someone pick the right plan for themselves. 

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 8:12:07 AM   
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That is because carbs do not satisfy the body.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 8:23:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have my own diet: chicken, cereal, yogurt, pizza, water, diet pepsi...it gives me every thing that i need.

its cheap (i just bought 4KG case of boneless skinless chicken for $17 cdn) ...and i lost 75 lbs with it a few years ago...and now my weight has leveled off  at 135 (mostly due to age and lack of energy with my heart condition means less exercise than i used to do) leaving me able to eat whatever i want.

i buy those thin crust mccain pizza's...they're so damn good and give u two days of meals for like $6-7.




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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 1:49:07 PM   
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I saw that on the evening news.  How hard are the first two weeks of no carbs at all? 

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 1:56:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not Level, but I'll tell you it was not hard for me.  Cheesy scrambled eggs for breakfast, a couple of cheeseburger patties or grilled chicken for lunch, and dinner was some other type of meat (pork chops, steak, or fish).

I ate whenever I was hungry... sometimes I would have some pork rinds for a snack, or some hard cheese or something.

My best friend tried it and had to stop after about a week maybe, she felt awful.  I on the other hand, felt great.  I'm a firm believer that there is no one single way to eat that works for everyone, the trick is to find what works for you and makes you feel good.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 2:56:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will pass on the pork rinds, Cali.  But two weeks of protein and veggies and fruit would not be that bad.  The Mediterranean type diet is more to my liking. Thank you for sharing.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 3:11:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vegies and fruit have carbs, so if want those, then the Mediterranean is probably more appropriate, yes.



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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 3:16:58 PM   
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The Atkins "diet" is a self induced form of malnutrition known as Ketosis.  This comes from the complete avoidance of carbohydrates.  This differs from low carb diets which allow for enoguh carbs to remain healthy, in general.


Not entirely true.  Complete avoidance of carbs is only for the first two weeks.  Then it's low carb.

Cali



Exactly, thank you, Cali.
 
Now, some folks stay at low levels, and keep in ketosis. There is no evidence that this is harmful.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 3:19:51 PM   
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I'd think that after dieting for two years, people would lose more than an average of 10 pounds.


Well, I lost 110 pounds doing it, in about one year  and have kept it off.
 


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Among the 36 diabetics, only those on the Mediterranean diet lowered blood sugar levels. Among the 45 women, those on the Mediterranean diet lost the most weight.


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The above two quotes stood out to me, since, I'm a woman and have type 2 diabetes in my family and strive to avoid it.  It's not always about losing weight when someone watches their diet - focusing on the specific health benefits they may need to achieve should help someone pick the right plan for themselves. 


That was something that didn't ring true to me; I'm Type 2, and was able to get off ALL meds for it, and have perfectly normal blood sugar now.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 3:22:25 PM   
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Hi Level,
 
I saw that on the evening news.  How hard are the first two weeks of no carbs at all? 


Hi Vendaval -- For me, it wasn't hard. Of course, I was terrified, after being diagnosed with the diabetes, so I had some motivation  As Cali said, it's very different for everyone. I love what I eat, so it's no chore.

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 3:57:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for sharing your dieting experience, Level.  I love personal stories for motivation.  Someone I see in the summers only at the swim club lost about 50 pounds over the winter on low-carb and she looks fabulous.  In speaking with her recently I'm considering it again. 

I've done Atkins a few years ago - I needed to drop about 40 pounds.  I had a *very* hard time with the first two weeks - low energy, headaches, etc.  I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, though - I believe it was my body coming off of all the white crap ... flour, sugar ...  I felt much better once I was able to add some fruits and veggies back in.  Plus, I really got sick of steak.  lol  But I probably just needed to do a better job of balancing what I ate.

One thing I never was - hungry. 

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 4:21:06 PM   
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My mother, a personal trainer, nailed it 30 years ago: Eat less cake, less bread, less pasta, more turkey, more hardboiled eggs, and work out more. Stretch occasionally.
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The Atkins "diet" is a self induced form of malnutrition known as Ketosis.  This comes from the complete avoidance of carbohydrates.  This differs from low carb diets which allow for enoguh carbs to remain healthy, in general.

My mother, a personal trainer, nailed it 30 years ago:  Eat less cake, less bread, less pasta, more turkey, more hardboiled eggs, and work out more.  Stretch occasionally.


Eat less and get off my ass?!   HOW DARE YOU!!!

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RE: Low carb diet beats low fat (again) - 7/17/2008 4:39:15 PM   
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The Atkins "diet" is a self induced form of malnutrition known as Ketosis.  This comes from the complete avoidance of carbohydrates.  This differs from low carb diets which allow for enoguh carbs to remain healthy, in general.


Decent Wikipedia  link, a shame you didn't actually read it.  The absolute nutritional requirement for carbohydrates in the Homo sapiens diet is, as far as researchers can determine, zero.  What, exactly, do you think Eskimos eat?  They ain't growing potatoes.

This said, vegetables and fruits contain valuable nutrients that do help people stay healthy, but so does wild game meat and fish in its natural state.  No one needs carbs to remain healthy, but it is easier to get a good spectrum of nutrients with carbohydrate containing foods.  Fortunately a great many of the nutritionally dense carbohydrate containing foods are green vegetables, which are not just recommended but required on Atkins.


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My mother, a personal trainer, nailed it 30 years ago:  Eat less cake, less bread, less pasta, more turkey, more hardboiled eggs, and work out more.  Stretch occasionally.


Well duuh, that *is* a low carb diet.

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