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MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 7:34:41 AM)

... um, OK. Consider it done Magic. Thanks for the advice.

:-)

Now that you have said that, would you like to share a time when you were compassionate to others?

-Zen




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 7:41:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: silkncarol

Probably my favorite quote.......

Kindness in words creates confidence, Kindness in thinking creates profoundness, Kindness in giving creates love. Lao Tzu

You get as good as you give........i personally want the best.



silkncarol, you speak with clear wisdom! Have a great day!

-Zen




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 7:50:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
Secondly, I really loathe the term 'respect is earnt' - it has become such a buzz word with little to no meaning. Respect is a beautiful thing - not a commodity to buy and sell at will.

the.dark.



Very good point! I was pleased so see that so many people commented and agreed with that idea in this thread. I had not expected such an instant consensus, but I am glad to see it.

Good luck in all that you do!

-Zen




SimplyMichael -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 7:51:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterZen22


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
People project far more of their own dysfunction into a post than they realize and the funny thing about dysfunction is the victim/sufferer is often quite blind to the elephant following them around.

And BOY do they consider it rude to point it out to them.



Michael, what an interesting comment! Could you give us a more specific example so that we will be able to picture what you are talking about in our own minds?

I personally try not to assume too much about someone based on a few forum posts, because if my assumption was wrong, how would I ever know? If I fall into the trap of making assumptions on too little information, I find I lose a valuable chance to get to know a person more closely.

But you bring up an interesting idea, and I'd like understand exactly what you mean. Perhaps I'll learn something!

-Zen


Just because you fall into traps, doesn't mean others do, you have been an adult for four years, your perspective is rather minuscule, I am almost twice your age, I can see things you are, and will be, blind to for some time.  I have made mistakes in my assumptions and have apologized when I do, but frankly, I rarely need to.  While your attitude is a pleasant one, what you call compassion, I would call co-dependence but in time, I am sure you will come to see that.




Leatherist -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 8:00:06 AM)

There is a time to be nice.
 
And there is a time to be harsh.
 
Knowing when is the wisdom.




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 8:06:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


…your perspective is rather minuscule, I am almost twice your age, I can see things you are, and will be, blind to for some time. I have made mistakes in my assumptions and have apologized when I do, but frankly, I rarely need to.


Michael, when I said that I try to avoid assumptions I was trying to explain my personal approach, I do not mean to imply it as a criticism of you personally or of your own approach, so I ask that you take no offense where none was intended. Actually I am fascinated by what you said, if you are indeed able to correctly assess someone’s personality by reading a few forum posts, that would be a rare skill. It would certainly be a skill that not many people have.

I do ask again though, could you please give me a specific example of what you are talking about? I would like to understand more clearly what you are saying.

-Zen






CallaFirestormBW -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 8:16:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirDragon1961

Ok, as a little rant-  People that say 'respect is earnt' are the axxxholes of society and that includes the internet.  They are the bullies who like to 'Top' when they are in fact the 'Bottom' of society.  "The Dregs".  They sometimes identify as Dominants and sometimes as submissives.  They are the people who will declare 'I have my Rights!" but least deserve to have them. 

"the least valuable or most unpleasant part of something, especially a group of people" Dregs- Encarta

These people fail to understand that Rights or Respect are what one gives to another and the 'Another'  gives consistantly to others.  When One fails in their respect to another (as we can) a simple acknowledgement of offering respect and reinstating some 'personal honour/integrity' is to say "I apologise". 

One can simply say "Do unto others"

Unfortunately there is no 'Dregs' forum for "them" to "Do unto others"

Warm regards to all, Sir Dragon.  Sir to His whip_pet



I withdrew years ago from the argument of whether "respect" is an inherent right by virtue of shared humanity, or whether it is something that needs be earned. Instead, I chose to use 'courtesy' as the definition of the behavior that one person ought to have towards another, by virtue of shared humanity, whether or not one agrees with or dignifies the existence of the other person.

To my mind, there is no excuse for rudeness. There are plenty of ways to make one's point without resorting to becoming crass or being unceasingly rude. My thought is that rudeness is really just a form of verbal laziness -- it is a way of saying "You're not even worth the time to be courteous in my disagreement with you."

There are so many times that I've read something and been inclined to just chip away completely at the other person's human dignity -- but I remember that, by degrading someone else, my own humanity is diminished as well.

As far as whether respect -must- be earned... I think that there is a baseline measure of respect that one can show, and that there are certain roles that garner a certain amount of respect just by virtue of the role, regardless of the human being "wearing" that role -- however, individuals who occupy those roles can, by their behavior, diminish that baseline level of respect... and unfortunately, they can diminish it not only for themselves, but for all others who share that role. This is why I prefer the term "courtesy" to "respect"... courtesy does not require any pre-condition of existing 'respect', and courtesy can be invoked regardless of one's perceptions of another's status, station, or level of respect. Being courteous, even in our disagreements, is something anyone is capable of, provided xhe chooses to make the effort.

Firestorm




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 8:21:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: StrongSpirit

daddysliloneds has a point.

A major issue with online communication is the lack of non-text clues. Real life communication has body movements, facial clues, etc. Even verbal communication has tonal clues. Without these clues, people often misinterpret communication. When you disagree with someone, you tend to take it in the worst possible way.

Jokes are very risky. But at least with them you can usually use a smiley

Honest statements are also a problem. Statements like "I don't use or respect people that use safe words." That can be taken as a personal statement of fact, or an insult.

This is compounded by the lack of opportunity to 'interrupt and explain' a comment as it gets misinterpreted. It is even difficult to simply add a comment that you forgot to a a post.

(Note, I personally do use safe words in some situations. I am a writer and know the difference between fantasy and reality. Just because you enjoy one does not mean you can't also enjoy the other.)




Very good points Spirit! The nature of internet forums is one that creates "side-effects" which make misunderstandings common. I think that is part of the reason that "snarkers" some into existence in the first place, they get burned by a few misunderstandings and then become bitter and snark at others... of course some people are just a**holes, lol.

Also, making statements like the the one you just made, can help make a few more people aware of the pitfalls of communicating online. So statements like yours will probably cut down on the number of misunderstandings.

Congratualations on being part of the solution. ;-)

-Zen




SimplyMichael -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 8:22:16 AM)

Trust me, if I was pissed off you would know.  Many who can't see themselves see any attempt at mirroring as an attack where non is attended. 

As for the skill, actually, it isn't all that rare, nor all that difficult.  There are many posters here who have at least as much insight as I do and others who have even more.

One looks for patterns, "they always" "why does this happen to me" is a common thing for someone who can't see their own role in their life and or blame others.  Seeing what they do and do not include in a post is another.  Not only that, there are very common "story arcs" for many of the issues that are brought up.  It isn't rocket science, it just takes experience and perspective.

Just like you can look at a child and guess how they will react to something or "see" into them what is going on, age and experience continues and expands that ability.

What is truly rare is the ability to see inward, that is a far more difficult task but infinitely more rewarding.




SimplyMichael -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 8:28:32 AM)

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of course some people are just a**holes, lol.


So, some assumptions, as long as they are yours, are okay?  Doesn't exactly sound too enlightened to me, sounds more like Zen is a mask for bitterness.  Enlightenment would be to realize that perhaps those poor souls have been dealt hard blows and deserve respect and compassion, but fuck that since it doesn't get you what you want which is to APPEAR evolved and enlightened, two things you may achieve one day but are currently far from your grasp.




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 8:35:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

So, some assumptions, as long as they are yours, are okay? Doesn't exactly sound too enlightened to me, sounds more like Zen is a mask for bitterness. Enlightenment would be to realize that perhaps those poor souls have been dealt hard blows and deserve respect and compassion, but fuck that since it doesn't get you what you want which is to appear evolved and enlightened, too things you may achieve one day but are currently far from your grasp.



Man, lighten up a little.

The a**holes remark was a joke, I was merely trying to keep the conversation light. That was why I wrote "lol" after it. Perhaps I am not communicating as clearly as I want to be, but still...

I completely agree it is good to give people compassion, that is why I started this thread.


-Zen





Missokyst -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 9:04:47 AM)

Yes, I have seen a few trolls, however the mods do a good job of keeping them on a leash.  It is no where near the amount of rude bad behavior as the last round of posts seem to indicate.

I DO notice that people who bring up the topics take the position that because their kink, or their thoughts are not embraced they tend to yell out "UNFAIR!" 

Have you considered that a lot of the posters who cry out, have done so again and again?  They ask the same questions about each "relationship issue" they encounter and do not or have not learned from past mistakes?  They choose adopt the identity of victim, first from their bad experience and then again because people are negative having seen the same thing from them again and again.  The new tend to jump on the bandwagon of let's all get along because we are supposed to be a community, and reject anything that counters that claim.  We are people, human, not a community.  We simply have an interest in kink.  I paint and write, but I never got into liking violent pictures or stories.  We don't have to like the same thing.  We are human.

I don't see this as a matter of rudeness. I don't expect everyone to fall into my belief, and I don't feel the need to doubt what I do because someone tells me I am wrong.
If you are secure in what you do and who you are, why does the opinion of strangers (regardless of community), hold such weight?

Way back, I had the idea that it would be nice to help, to be supportive, ect.  Then I discovered it serves no one any good to be the cheerleader in the back, encouraging all activity.  It does no good to withhold what you really think, if someone ASKS for imput. 
Why do so many out there need constant validation from strangers?  More importantly, why do they feel insulted by supposed "rude" comments, which are not so much rude as honest.

I choose the manner in which I help.  I organize, I facilliatate, I give opinions if asked.  Most of the people who respond to these threads do. 

One of the things I learned growing up is not everyone is going to agree.  You either have the courage of your convictions to hold your ground, or you will always be questioning who you are.  The kindest thing you can do for yourself is to learn that.

Kyst



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ORIGINAL: MasterZen22

guard yourself and if some one says something that seems rude to you, take a deep breath and try to decided if it was really intended to be that way or if maybe they wanted to help.

Having said that though, there are some trolls who lurk in these forums and seem to delight in insulting other people, especially new people.

Similarly, I have found that when I try to help other people (including people on online forums) it creates a deeper sense of inner peace in myself.

Many people have responded to posts like this in the past ,by defending their right to be rude.  But I don't understand why they'd WANT to be rude! Being respectful and compassionate, instead of being rude, is very rewarding.

My advice to the other post was 2-fold. 1. read posts carefully, try not to over-react to what people say, and try not to leap to the conclusion that people have attacked you. 2. When some bitter, angry lurker does attack you, just brush it off.

I hope more people will experiment and try being supportive and kind to other people on this forum (and in general), I think if they try it they will discover they like it.





BossyShoeBitch -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 9:28:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Trust me, if I was pissed off you would know. 


Bit of an understatement, wouldn't you say?  [:D]




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 9:58:12 AM)

Missokyst you make many good points. I can tell you have thought deeply about these things and you are an intelligent person. I especially agree that some people often tend create a "victim identity" and tell themselves "this always happens to me" etc...

You said 2 things that caught my attention and which I will respond to.

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
The new tend to jump on the bandwagon of let's all get along because we are supposed to be a community, and reject anything that counters that claim


1. I am not trying to say that you are "supposed" to be compassionate, I would not tell you that you are "supposed" to do anything. As far as I'm concerned, you can do what you want. One thing that I did try to do is point out that being compassionate is in your "rational self-interest" because it makes you feel good. Being compassionate is fun! It is much more rewarding than being rude. I do not understand why anyone who has ever tried being compassionate would ever WANT to be rude. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

… it does no one any good to be the cheerleader in the back, encouraging all activity. It does no good to withhold what you really think, if someone ASKS for imput ... why do they feel insulted by supposed "rude" comments, which are not so much rude as honest.



I agree 100% with that, you are absolutely right! I certainly would not encourage ALL activities, not all activities are created equal. I would never pretend to support something I secretly did not support. You are also right that if someone specifically asks for input then that is a slightly different situation. My original point was that when you give out compassion, you benefit from it yourself (and others often benefit too). It is possible to give honest input to answer to people’s questions and still be compassionate about it.

As for your question about whey something is considered "rude," this reminds me of a discussion I had with someone at the very beginning of this thread. Whether something is "rude" or not all depends on whether a response insults the poster personally. If an comment is aimed directly at a person, and that comment is insulting, or un-necessarily harsh or degrading, then that is what I tend to define as "rude." If some one simply has a different opinion about the subject of a conversation, and they focus their comments on that subject, that is just a "good debate."

Thanks for the interesting food for thought Missokyst, your post gave me a good chance to chew things over in my mind.

-Zen





DesFIP -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 10:10:11 AM)

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth and anyone who says something blunt is called verbally abusive. I can't tell when someone is in denial and really doesn't want to get the advice they asked for but instead only wants pity.

I'm sorry but if you want pity, ask for it directly. Everybody has the occasional bad day. However if you do nothing but wail and complain do expect the pity well to dry up. Nobody likes a leach, an energy drain, who wants to remain miserable.

Do not lambaste people who give you straight shooting advice which is what you asked for.




Missokyst -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 10:11:26 AM)

Once again I maintain that most answers I see are not rude.  They just point out things which are obvious to them because we have seen it again and again.  How many times do you tell someone the stove is hot before you get tired of them weeping with burned fingers? 

I see all these claims of rudeness but as a bystander I often wonder why these claims are made.  Occasionally I see them, "fuc-tard" ect..and sometimes I have made them, such as when I told someone in another forum she deserves what she gets.  But when people make outrageous statements like "he lied, and I caught him, now I have to think of my punishment for questioning him"  I cannot be compasionate.  I have no desire to be compassionate.  I have relatives who live with abusive spouses.  There are sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

I will reserve my compassion for the fire victims in my county.  I will reserve my compassion for people who undergo true hardship.  I will donate time, energy can cash to serve my desire to help.  That sort of compassion makes me feel good.  Validating the opinion of someone who is an accident waiting to happen simply to make them feel warm fuzzies does nothing for me.
People who ask, as they do on these boards.. THEY put up the question, should take what they want and leave the rest.  But to whine, moan and complain because people are mean.. tells me that they do not have the courage of their convictions.
Kyst

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ORIGINAL: MasterZen22

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
The new tend to jump on the bandwagon of let's all get along because we are supposed to be a community, and reject anything that counters that claim


1. I am not trying to say that you are "supposed" to be compassionate, I would not tell you that you are "supposed" to do anything. As far as I'm concerned, you can do what you want. One thing that I did try to do is point out that being compassionate is in your "rational self-interest" because it makes you feel better about yourself. Being compassionate is fun! It is much more rewarding than being rude.
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

… it does no one any good to be the cheerleader in the back, encouraging all activity. It does no good to withhold what you really think, if someone ASKS for imput.


if someone specifically asks for input then that is a slightly different situation.

My original point was that when you give out compassion you benefit from it yourself (and others often benefit too). It is possible to give honest input to answer to people’s questions and still be compassionate about it.




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 10:25:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I have relatives who live with abusive spouses. There are sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.



I agree with that! If you have family members in abusive relationships, then the most compassionate thing to do is to be totally honest with them, especially if they ask your opinion. Hopefully they will see the light and decide to leave. Enabling abuse is the farthest thing from compassion. Thank you for sharing with us, I think this information has allowed me to understand why you feel the way you do.

I am sorry to hear about your family member's troubles and hope that everything eventually works out and the abusive relationship ends.

All my best wishes go with you.

-Zen




MasterZen22 -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 3:19:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
. Everybody has the occasional bad day. However if you do nothing but wail and complain do expect the pity well to dry up. Nobody likes a leach, an energy drain, who wants to remain miserable.



You are completely right DesFIP, there are some people who want to remain miserable, in fact I suspect they are often the same people as those who never have compassion for anyone.

Of course, it almost goes without saying that there is a HUGE difference between compassion and pity, don't you agree?

-Zen




stella41b -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 3:38:12 PM)

Take a building close to Central London, four storeys high, just south of the River Thames. The entrance is a heavy wooden door, you press on the buzzer of an intercom, you speak through the entryphone and staff let you in. You come to a reception, a small window and a counter. Across the top you see the bottom of a metal shutter, the type you see covering shop windows then the shops are closed. There's another heavy door with a heavy lock and a release button which buzzes. You enter.

This is a hostel for the homeless, high dependency, a 'wet' hostel, home to sixty people who have issues. All of them take something or use something. They all have a room, first floor, second floor, third floor. Downstairs there's just offices, a couple of communal rooms, a canteen, a couple of rooms with a desk and chairs. Communal bathrooms, CCTV everywhere, and half of one floor a special area, designated for the female residents. The residents receive just short of £60 a week paid fortnightly, benefits. The hostel takes, if you allow them, £40 of this fortnightly payment in 'service charges', breakfast and evening meal five days a week, heating, hot water, etc. The rest buys two good sized rocks and perhaps a bottle of good alcohol, or else it goes just on alcohol, dope, tobacco, cigarettes, Rizla papers and lighters or matches, enough to keep you and your friends over a couple of days. The rest of the time the party continues once you get more money from elsewhere.. begging, shoplifting, stealing, it doesn't matter.

This isn't the bottom of society, for the bottom of society is out there on the streets, around Kings Cross and Euston railway stations, under the arches of Mepham Street near Waterloo station and the South Bank, the subways and the walkways on the South Bank, spaces between the dustbins of the Savoy Hotel in The Strand, shop doorways in The Strand. Bodies wrapped up in ragged sleeping bags and bits of cardboard who appear every night and vanish shortly before dawn and the street-cleaning teams. This is the very bottom of society, not the hostel. The hostel is the next step up.

This is one of my projects, where I work. Once or twice a week I sit with anything between half a dozen to a dozen residents and we do theatre. John once was a chef who trained under Gordon Ramsay, working in top London hotels, his own restaurant went under, taking a house, wife and two kids in its wake. Sandy just wants her own place so her UMs can come and visit her. Jimmy will never be able to wipe out the twenty two years he spent in Durham prison for the elderly couple he battered to death during a burglary. I'm using made up names of course, but the stories are real. I'm not sure when or even if there's going to be a performance. At the moment my target is to get through two consecutive rehearsals without having to go up to the second or third floor to knock on someone's door and get them out of bed.

We break off after an hour or so. Someone will get up and take the kettle to reception so it can be filled for coffee or tea. Someone always brings biscuits, milk chocolate digestives are the favourite ones. Under the watchful eye of the staff I'll leave some of them to make coffee and go with the others outside to have a smoke. I don't smoke, my role is to hand out the Rizla papers so the others can crack open the cigarette butts from what they've picked up on the street to make a cigarette. I also have a lighter. I wait until they've finished their smokes and we go back and do some more rehearsing.

This is their life, and this is my life. I'm a missionary. I'm connected with fringe theatre, I write plays, direct them, I've devoted my artistic work to help others, I couldn't find regular employment, I'm unable to sit around on welfare doing nothing, so I've spent a year developing a theatre, charity and projects. Jimmy, Sandy, John and the others are the beneficiaries, the actors in the production, people who are working to find some sort of way back into society. I can wander through the hostel freely, nobody 'kicks off' around me, I can walk away from a kettle of boiling water knowing that it isn't going to be thrown on anyone, but poured into mugs and served with milk chocolate digestives.

These aren't homeless people to me, but people like you and me struggling to get through the traumatic experience of homelessness. This is just another stage in the process. They no longer have to sleep on the streets, they have their own rooms, they're not in any fit state to get a job, or to be employed, some don't really have much more than what they carried with them when they came to the hostel for the first time, taken there from a night shelter. But it's all down to perspective. They don't have to earn my respect, I give it to them freely. They all know that I was in the same situation as they are now, though I never abused drugs or alcohol, they know I've moved on, and they also understand why I've come back. I talk to them and relate to them as though they're not homeless. That hostel is their home, and I behave accordingly.

There's no expectations. No dates for performance, not even a performance as an aim. It doesn't matter. When I first met them I got them to stand in a circle, I occupied the centre, and I asked them to step forward if they considered themselves to be any less socially acceptable than me and to explain why in their own words. Nobody stepped forward. "Right, now that we have established that we all respect ourselves to some degree...."

I'm breaking my own rules here in writing about this. Compassion is something which is done, not written about or spoken about. It's a way of looking at someone from a position of being in their situation or circumstances, and seeing the very best in them going out of your way to make something available to them, or to give them something they need, without any expectations of anything in return. This isn't the same as being nice to someone, nor is it going out of your way to help someone, for compassion requires both insight and understanding.

Sometimes I log in here and I come across things and read things which give the impression that some people here have more issues than the people I'm working with in the hostels and on the streets. I know this not just from my own life experience, but also from my own issues. Issues are well, issues, stuff you usually need to be dealing with, sort of like the baggage you carry about with you through life. Every so often you reach a stage in life where you look at some of your baggage and you think 'I really don't need this any more'.

I could write about the power of compassion in BDSM but I won't. It's too big a topic, too general. Besides I know from the OP that BDSM in the OP is a euphemism for the Collarme Message Boards. I've been coming here regularly since early 2007, March I think if my memory serves me well. I moved into my apartment here the middle of November 2006 from the hostel, I came here from IC (a UK BDSM site) and it was a few weeks after the trial in Crown Court of a convicted paedophile who had sexually assaulted me in the hostel. I was a mess.

Today it's a little different, things are coming together but you know, there's quite a lot of people out there who've reached out during that time, quite often unexpectedly, people I've met, many I haven't met but would love to meet if ever an opportunity presented itself, if only for coffee. This is one of the best Message Boards you could find on the Internet, and it's this way not only because of the work of the moderators and the site owners but also down to the people who, like me, log in and come together to share their experiences, lives, thoughts and opinions with everyone else.

I like coming here. I don't have to be popular, it's brain candy for me. I have no need to preach to the masses, to teach, nothing other than to share. You see the mugshot and the screen name on the left is just one of hundreds, if not thousands coming through this site every day, I'm just a small part of the rich Collarme tapestry, a thread in the Collarme carpet. I'll come in and post to certain threads, every so often I'll start a thread - same reasons, to come and share, be a part of, without too many expectations. Hundreds of pairs of eyes will come to threads like this, to postings like this, some will read, some will sigh and move onto the next posting, some will relate, some won't, and a few might be able to take something from these words. By which time I've moved on, doing something different, what I've written is already posted, up there for all to see. Only when I've specified at the start of my posting are my words to be taken to be addressed to someone.

It comes back to that key word in the beginning - choice. People post whatever they think and feel and choices, for better or worse, are made. This is just the way things are, the way the world is, and really when it comes down to it all you can do is take it or leave it.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: The Power of Compassion in BDSM (7/16/2008 4:15:24 PM)

In my experience, it isn't just online message boards, where people fail to communicate effectively.  While inflection, tone and body language help clarify intent, those indicators are only viable to the perceptive observer.   Ever notice someone happily chatting away with another, all the while oblivious to the disinterest of the one who is yawning and glancing about and failing to make eye-contact?  The subtle, and not so subtle body language clues are lost on the unobservant.

While we don't have inflection etc. by which to determine intent, on a message board; after several posts- patterns begin to reveal themselves.   Many times, someone who has been observing how a person interacts/reacts on the boards, will begin to see a particular pattern emerge and and the insight they offer to an OP, who asks a specific question, is sometimes based off those observations.  Another, who hasn't been following the OP's progression of posts - may think that the one offering the insight is being unkind, or even mean.  However, I tend to view honest, constructive criticism to be  of value and a form of kindness after its own fashion.   

Some can and do grow, learn, mature and adapt their thought processes, and learn to respond rather than react.   They do this by either learning by example.  Watching and emulating how someone they respect behaves, or they learn by hard-knocks.  Screwing up, and being called on it.  Get called on your assinocity enough times, and you learn to either be a better ass, or a better communicator.  Or, better at communicating your assinocity.

Now, all that to say - I am a staunch advocate for compassion.  I think courtesy is a powerful tool and motivator.  However, I do not think it is necessarily a kindness, nor a compassionate act, to watch a person flounder about in depths they can drown in, unless they have first been taught to swim.  I do agree, that there is a difference between constructive criticsm and abusive rhetoric.  Snarking on someone, simply to ease your boredom, is not productive - unless you are really, really REALLY bored.  At the same time, why not relax and take things less seriously so that you can take a snarky comment with a good natured grin, and maybe even laugh at yourself a little? 


As for my own acts of compassion?  I just try to be kind and thoughtful to those I meet every day, and hope that the person I showed a kindness to, pays that kindness forward. 




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