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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 7:40:56 AM

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Here any group that pays a set up fee and guantees buying 100 plates at an increased rate can have their own plate design. There are rules of course but any religious body or social group could have their own plate.

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 7:44:55 AM

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Jeez of course I've noticed that our currency has those words. However that is not something current. The chances of making a difference with the money is nil.

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 7:58:51 AM

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"The state legislature had passed it unanimously. "I think it allows people of faith to profess that they believe in a higher calling, they believe in God," said Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer. Bauer has offered to personally pay a $4,000 deposit required for the Department of Motor Vehicles to begin producing the plates. The fee would be returned to him later."
Unanimously.. I am so very glad I don't live in a state like that but my worry is that this becomes 'a country like that'.
http://www.in.gov/bmv/images/InGodWeTrust.jpg
Indiana has 'InGodWeTrust' on plates so this may very well pass and become something normal. I swear this has my grinding my teeth.

"A country like that"? Now I don't want you to grind your teeth into stubs, but I have to ask. Have you ever noticed that all paper currency has the same phrase printed on it, and has for a very, very long time?

It doesn`t say"In Jesus We Trust".

An important distinction and the point of the 1st Amendment.

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 8:15:47 AM

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I stand corrected. Certain people wanted to ban Hohoho in Australia. The original article I read said illegal but I can no longer find that one.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2007/11/16/4970_gold-coast-feature.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499827/Ho-ho-ho-no-stores-Santa-Claus--offensive-women.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/hohoho.asp

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:10:08 AM

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Jeez of course I've noticed that our currency has those words. However that is not something current. The chances of making a difference with the money is nil.

How is it not current? Have you used any cash today? Then you've used a bill with those words on it.

I guess I don't understand how you are so upset with a small percentage of license plates in one state yet you use something everyday that has the same slogan.

Further, I don't understand your distiction of "making a difference with the money is nil". Can't the state just point to the fact that every bit of our currency is emblazoned with the same phrase to justify their use of it?

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:16:37 AM

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"The state legislature had passed it unanimously. "I think it allows people of faith to profess that they believe in a higher calling, they believe in God," said Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer. Bauer has offered to personally pay a $4,000 deposit required for the Department of Motor Vehicles to begin producing the plates. The fee would be returned to him later."
Unanimously.. I am so very glad I don't live in a state like that but my worry is that this becomes 'a country like that'.
http://www.in.gov/bmv/images/InGodWeTrust.jpg
Indiana has 'InGodWeTrust' on plates so this may very well pass and become something normal. I swear this has my grinding my teeth.

"A country like that"? Now I don't want you to grind your teeth into stubs, but I have to ask. Have you ever noticed that all paper currency has the same phrase printed on it, and has for a very, very long time?

It doesn`t say"In Jesus We Trust".

An important distinction and the point of the 1st Amendment.

The point of the first amendment was to trust in God but not in Jesus? Fascinating, because I've read it and it doesn't say a word about either one of those guys.

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:21:44 AM

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"A country like that"? Now I don't want you to grind your teeth into stubs, but I have to ask. Have you ever noticed that all paper currency has the same phrase printed on it, and has for a very, very long time?

It doesn`t say"In Jesus We Trust".

An important distinction and the point of the 1st Amendment.

The point of the first amendment was to trust in God but not in Jesus? Fascinating, because I've read it and it doesn't say a word about either one of those guys.

Just to bring ya up to speed ,buddy,it was in reference to what`s printed on ~paper currency~,the words "In God We Trust".And has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

That phrase didn`t come from the founding fathers or the constitution.

In spite of what some think,"In God We Trust" doesn`t establish a religion.

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:27:23 AM

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I have no problem with it, provided they also have plates for other faiths to include wicca. Otherwise it is state sponsored religion and in violation of the US Constitution. We should all have freedom of speech as well as freedom of religion.

But they don't plan on making ones for any other faith.
Only their brand of Christianity is special enough, chafes my britches I tell ya.

Where are you getting that information from? The SC motor vehicles page clearly shows an atheist plate already in use...who has applied for other religious plates in sufficient numbers and been denied?
http://lowcountry.humanists.net/IRWT.html
http://www.scdmvonline.com/VehPlateSpecialty.aspx

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:34:54 AM

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So when did atheism become a religion?

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:39:51 AM

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Since the US government included it in the list of religions for Veteran's headstones?
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp

If you have evidence that it isn't a faith, feel free to provide proof.

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:54:12 AM

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Is the absence of faith,faith?

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:55:04 AM

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Is this the sophomorism thread, or are you just thread hijacking again?

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:56:44 AM

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While this is a stupid idea,don't think it actually violates the Constitution.Now if South Carolina's plan was to have all their plates trumpet one set of beliefs to the exclusion of others than You got a beef.Has it stands those that feel strongly enough about their beliefs can plunk down their money and drive around with their religous affiliation on their plates..some people seem to have more disposable income than others,this would seem to be a rather benign way of distributing that surplus cash to goverment coffers where we can all rest assured it will be put to good use

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:58:31 AM

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Bad day,alumbrada?

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 10:59:52 AM

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Not yet...why the ad hom hijacks?

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 11:00:05 AM

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I can't help wondering whatever happened to keeping State and Church seperate. CA spend millions removing or covering crosses on uniforms and buildings. Our children can't recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school because of the phrase In God We Trust, yet is is on our money. Merry Christmas can no longer be said it has to be Happy Holidays. Hohoho is even illegal in the UK now. nejisty

In God we trust is not part of the pledge... The pledge is:

"I pledge allegience to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In Texas they say it every morning and they then have the Texas pledge which is

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allgience to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible"

In our school district the day begins with the singing of the National Anthem. Then the US Pledge, followed by the Texas pledge. (and considering how George Strait is a God in Texas come this fall Britt will probably make her students then sing "Ammarillo By Morning" LOL)

There is nothing wrong with the pledge or the mention of God in the public schools. I myself am non religious, but such things should be determined by community standards. This is a Christian community, and the school district puts a Christmas tree in every class room. Those who dont like it, are free to live in another district or to send their kids to a nice private school more intune with their personal beliefs...

As for the license plates - to each their own. I happen to like the regular Texas plates as they are cool as hell with the cowboy and the space shuttle and the oil rig etc If someone wants to pay extra for any plate more power to them...

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 11:04:15 AM

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Anyway, will whoever has proof that SC is prohibiting other beliefs from getting their own plates on the basis of the beliefs themselves, please put up a link to it?

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 11:05:01 AM

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While this is a stupid idea,don't think it actually violates the Constitution.Now if South Carolina's plan was to have all their plates trumpet one set of beliefs to the exclusion of others than You got a beef.Has it stands those that feel strongly enough about their beliefs can plunk down their money and drive around with their religous affiliation on their plates..some people seem to have more disposable income than others,this would seem to be a rather benign way of distributing that surplus cash to goverment coffers where we can all rest assured it will be put to good use

That`s reasonable.

The money (for a vanity plate)usually goes the cause or namesake of the specialized plate.

I`m not sure how or where the moneys earned from "Christian"plates should be spent,so that`ll have to be hashed out.

It shouldn`t just go into the general fund.That`s also not right,for religious institution money to be given to the government or visa versa.

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 11:09:13 AM

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That`s reasonable.

The money (for a vanity plate)usually goes the cause or namesake of the specialized plate.

I`m not sure how or where the moneys earned should be spent,so that`ll have to be hashed out.It shouldn`t just go into the general fund.That`s also not right,for religious institution money to be given to the government or visa versa.

And exactly what money would that be? Or what for profit organization?

The In God We Trust Plate is available for private passenger vehicles and trucks with an empty weight of 7,000 pounds or less and a gross vehicle weight of 9,000 pounds or less. The requirements and registration fee for this plate is the same as a regular license plate. The biennial fee is $24.00.

As a non-profit organization, the Secular Humanists of the Low Country do not receive any portion of the funds generated from the license plate sales.

http://www.scdmvonline.com/VehPlateSpecialty.aspx

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RE: SC plans license plates for Christians - 7/7/2008 11:11:04 AM

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But they don't plan on making ones for any other faith...

it isn't a "religion", but the Shriner's in South Carolina can order their own plate, complete with their emblem on it. apparently, membership has it's priviledges.

they have to provide a copy of their valid membership card to the brotherhood of Freemasonry that requires them to have, among things such as a penis at birth, "A Belief in A Supreme Being". they refer to this Supreme Being, collectively as "Great(or Grand) Architecht of The Universe".

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...Masonry does not attempt to define or delineate how a person should pray or to whom worship should be addressed.

The term "Great Architect of the Universe" (or "Grand Architect of the Universe") is used to permit a more generic worship to the Supreme Being of all present. All Masons understand this concept and when prayers are offered in their lodge, they understand that regardless of the person speaking the words or the manner of prayer of others present, the prayer is addressed to their Supreme Being...
http://www.masonicinfo.com/member.htm

this slave just sees it as the Christian "club" getting their own version of plates that are already popular among other clubs and groups...not an attempt to convert or marginalize the good citizens of South Carolina who happen NOT to be Christians, or as an attempt to claim South Carolina as a "Christian" state.

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