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Prinsexx -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 11:25:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop I thought the making of the master had something to do with mixing bowls, measuring cups, and an oven.... sigh on second thoughts...it's I thought the making of the pasta had something to do with mixing bowls, measuring cups, and an oven....[:D]

celticlord2112 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 12:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daddyyouwantme It doesn't come with education, having a house, or having alot of money. It comes from with in and it is what you do with that part within you that makes you a great Master. Silly me....I always thought it came from having slaves at your beck and call.

JANAAZ1 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 12:38:14 PM)
Even in my limited experience in the lifestlye, I have come to realize that a man can, in fact, be dominant, but that does not necessarily make him a Master... IMHO, I think what makes a Master is the way he goes about treating his Sub/Slave. His abililty to and willingness to put the other person's needs first, just as she is doing for him. Too many dominant men have the idea in their heads that simply because they are the one in control, their needs are the only needs that are important. I had a man tell me that as long as I took care of his every need, my needs would take care of themselves... While, in principal, I do agree with that to a certain extent, to say that the Sub/ Slaves needs, ie...need to be kisssed, need to be pleasured orally in return once in a while, ect...,are not important, is simply ridiculous.....

JANAAZ1 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 1:03:38 PM)
Adding on to what I was saying, the man I was with, who considers himself , very seriously, to be a Master, whom, I had to disagree with vehemetly, said that, because he showed me that I could "get off" with simply sucking his cock, proved his point that I did not need to be kissed or pleasured orally. I tried to explain that, while yes, I do " get off" sucking cock, that does not make my need to be kissed and pleasured orally just disappear. Those needs were still there. I did realize, however, that, just as in the vanilla world, there are men in the BdSM world that just don't get it, and probably never will...

dovie -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 1:30:12 PM)
Reading this post with interest and a triple tall hazelnut nonfat soy latte with whipped cream, nutmeg and cinnamon..... la la la la [8D] dovie

GreedyTop -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 1:31:36 PM)
wait..I didnt think you could get a master with cinnamon and nutmeg! cool!!!

dovie -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 1:37:24 PM)
ooohhh lewd thoughts....getting naughty visuals here....YUM YUM GT..congrats on the Insane.....lol dovie

GreedyTop -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 1:37:58 PM)
thankee :)

celticlord2112 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 2:05:41 PM)
quote: His abililty to and willingness to put the other person's needs first, just as she is doing for him. Anyone who puts another's needs first is making a huge mistake. My first and foremost need is an obedient, loyal, devoted slave. I do what I must to attend to that need. All else is trivial by comparison.

variation30 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 2:33:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hejira92 So, if I change my name to MasterHejiratheGreat, I qualify? And will anyone believe me? [:)] well. it's a good first step. the second step is you have to be over 28. the third is you have to have a handful of anecdotes about your old gaurd mentor.

hejira92 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 3:44:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: variation30 quote: ORIGINAL: hejira92 So, if I change my name to MasterHejiratheGreat, I qualify? And will anyone believe me? [:)] well. it's a good first step. the second step is you have to be over 28. the third is you have to have a handful of anecdotes about your old gaurd mentor. Over 28?!? HAH!

CelticPrince -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 3:51:45 PM)
quote: It doesn't come with education, having a house, or having alot of money. It comes from with in and it is what you do with that part within you that makes you a great Master. girl, wise words for someone so young. CP

celticlord2112 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 4:05:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: It doesn't come with education, having a house, or having alot of money. It comes from with in and it is what you do with that part within you that makes you a great Master. girl, wise words for someone so young. CP Really? Sounded rather thin and superficial to me.

JANAAZ1 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 6:18:01 PM)
celticlord2112, Let me rephrase myself.... IMHO, Any Master desiring a Sub/Slave's obedience, devotion and loyalty can not possibly hope to achieve the desired results without taking into account the needs of the Sub/Slave in question... Simply aiming to achieve his/her own needs without allowing for a reciprocal feeling of mutual satisfaction is rather futile. Even a Sub/Slave will gravitate towards a Master that fulfills their needs , at least in the long run. Otherwise, what are we, stepford wives or robots? Although, I see the point you are making in saying that" anyone that puts another ones needs first is making a huge mistake." My point is that there has to be a middle ground somewhere along the lines, or, I can't personally see many people willing to or even desiring to be anothers Submissive or Slave , knowing that their needs might be met and then again, might not.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 7:43:30 PM)
quote: My point is that there has to be a middle ground somewhere along the lines, or, I can't personally see many people willing to or even desiring to be anothers Submissive or Slave , knowing that their needs might be met and then again, might not. My point is that the middle ground is that there is no middle ground. My slave surrenders to me to fulfill her needs. Her surrender fulfills my needs. What more needs be said?

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 7:48:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer I forget who to quote but I have always really loved the quote " Master's are niether born nor made they are awakened." "The Sleeper must awaken." - Duke Leto Atreides, Dune :-) Master Fire

JANAAZ1 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 8:05:52 PM)
I see what you are saying. And, obviously, your Slaves needs are being met. Yes, I agree that a Slaves roll is to fulfill her Masters needs, however, I do not believe that means her own needs become unimportant and somehow evaporate into thin air because she is told that pleasing him, and ONLY pleasing him, is the way in which he or she will achieve gratification, and that any needs he or she has outside of the realm of what "the Masters" needs becomes irrelevant. IMHO I believe that the Slaves needs and desires must be met as well, otherwise, in the long run, the whole relationship becomes about the needs of one person, leaving the other person to feel unappreciated and eventually look for the mate that is not all about "ME, MYSELF AND I." Even in the best Slave/ Master relationship, there is a "joining" of two people, where both people are getting there needs met, not, a Master that is getting his every need met while his Submissive or Slave is getting only what pleasure is being allowed , with the understanding of there never being any hope of the Sub or Slaves needs being addressed in any way shape or form, in the future much les the here and now....

JANAAZ1 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 8:07:45 PM)
My last response was obviously in response to celticlord2112.....

Danner -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 8:11:51 PM)
I should change My name then. I was wondering why My floggings weren't as good lately. Of course, Dom Danner sounds like cartoon character or a game show host, "Now here's your host, Dommmmmm Dannnerrrr!!!!" Master Danner sounds Southern, "Why, Maastah Dannah. ya'all gonna play with that thang yerself?" Of course there is also Lord Danner. "Excuse Me, Lord Danner, but there is a young lady calling for you, shall I send her away?" "No, of course not Jeeves, I haven't had a visitor since the Queen last visited over a fortnight ago. Send her into the library. I will join her in a moment." I am left with no options but to remain as I am, simply Danner. Quite insane, lovely to see you, and thank you for that most interesting question. I shall treasure it always.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Making of a Master (7/6/2008 8:22:30 PM)
Your rhetoric implies the zero-sum game--that there must be both winner and loser. I do not see the zero-sum game having any place in a relationship. Everyone wins or everyone loses--relationships do not allow for a third option.

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