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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 6:34:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose they could be pulling a cart and the gradient suddenly changes leaving the cart pulling them under the wheels perhaps. I'd argue life is dangerous but crossing the road should not be considered edge play though.

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 7:17:07 PM   
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Any BDSM activity has elements of danger to it.  That is what entices alot to it.......

If you don't realize this, you need to reacquant yourself with Murphy.

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Disagree. Him saying "Hey, proof read this letter before I send it out" is not a dangerous activity. Neither is him telling me to go measure a window and call him back. And I don't think spanking is something highly risky either. I mean I could slip off his lap and hit my elbow on the coffee table, but hardly edge play there.

To the op though, some people are into animal play and some find it emotionally upsetting to be so objectified. However those hoof/shoes look dangerous as hell. How do you not fall off them?

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 8:30:13 PM   
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Isn't edge play defined as something physically dangerous though? Could be dangerous if ponypeople pulled a cart through a rough neighbourhood but I fail to see any other real dangers? It's not like the hoofs are nailed onto your feet.


I have always thought of edge play as being at the edge of ones limits physical or mental. This does not mean it has to be dangerous. It is just a step beyond the comfort level of the participant. For some the humiliation and dehumanization involved in pony play may push their limits and therefore in my book it would be edge play for that person / pony. I think the Wikipedia definition given earlier includes both this physical risk and limit stretching as its definition. Personally I thought the physical risk was just a by product of the constant stretching of limits. If we keep pushing our limits we reach a point where physical or mental harm becomes a real risk.

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 8:53:37 PM   
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yea, edgeplay by definition is when you are focused on things you really don't like and learn to like them, once you like them, its no longer edgeplay....

Edgeplay is expanding your limits....usually soft limits but limits non-the-less....if you like it, they are no longer soft limits to you.....

You can only do so much edge-play in soft limits before you expand into your hard limits...

How do you think you turn someone who is normal into a total kink-willing to do anything.....gradually, with patience.....edgeplay is the right tool to get someone to do things they thought they would never of thought reasonable.........

And why edgeplay gets more, I don't know, edgy and unsafe.....

OK exactly where is this definition coming from and what sort of authority decides that? 

You've got a lot of weird ideas IMO.  To me edge play has nothing to do with limits or what I don't like.  Edge play to me is blood because it's such high health risk combined with extreme intimacy and spirituality for my life- but I love doing it with the right people in the right contexts and it's never been a limit.

I do not have "soft" and "hard" limits- I have things I might do and things that I will not do.  And the things I will not do are set in stone, and always will be.  I am no newbie who runs in fear of everything and needs some slow convincing to try something to be convinced I like it.

I get my partner to do things he never would have thought of doing by love, trust, respect and experience- edge play not applicable.

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 9:24:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		sorry, if your a helliophelliac or diabetic and your blood doesn't clot properly, whether you like blood play or not is totally irrelevant.  You should take extra precautions because of your condition.  I wouldn't completely rule out some BDSM play, but without proper precautions you risk "accidents".  Now if your doing intentional risky play and not taking precautions, then those accidents are in my book criminal accidents...and someone should be held accountable........

You got this sick fantasy of cannabalism, I'm sorry, its not amusing......either you compartmentalize this sickness....or you'll suffer for it.....

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Sometimes me talking to stupid people is squandering it away  -  not caring is usually an easier path.  ;)

I'm sorry, your stupid, I don't care about stupid......

You know, there are people who really think they are vampires (stupid), but hopefully, they don't eat the blood of stupid people, because they can catch all sorts of diseases that way....maybe that explains something about cooking the blood some....boiled blood.....




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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 10:21:23 PM   
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Now if your doing intentional risky play and not taking precautions, then those accidents are in my book criminal accidents...and someone should be held accountable........

You got this sick fantasy of cannabalism, I'm sorry, its not amusing......either you compartmentalize this sickness....or you'll suffer for it.....

Life is a gift, do not squander it away meaninglessly, treasure every moment you are on this earth, for it is a gift and is fleeting.......

Sometimes me talking to stupid people is squandering it away - not caring is usually an easier path. ;)

I'm sorry, your stupid, I don't care about stupid......


Maybe you need to reread what she wrote before you start calling her stupid


where was any mention of cannablism???  She is not one of the ones that cuts off fingers to cook and eat

her edgeplay is playing on the edge of safety but she is experienced and has been doing for long  enough to know where the line is ...it does not mean she does not assess risk  ---as she states,   she plays with the "RIGHT" people(those that also know where the line is as well  and she and her partners make  sure to gain knowlege to know what all the risks/dangers are before attempting )  and she practices RACK "Risk Aware Consentual Kink"  rather than SSC




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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 10:50:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually...unlike most of your other respondents, I'd say pony play is more likely to be edgeplay than flogging is.  To me, edgeplay has to have the potential to be psychologically or emotionally devastating.  Otherwise it's just kinda like meat-tenderizing.  The supposedly intense floggings you tend to see in BDSM clubs never seem like edgeplay to me because the worst thing that could happen to someone is that he or she gets some nasty stripes and a tender ass.  The sub's sense of self is hardly ever touched.  Now pony play is usually pretty tame, but if it's done in a way to re-orient the sub's entire sense of self, it could be very edgy indeed.  Flogging ALONE probably can't get there.

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Is ponyplay edgeplay? It seems tame to me compared with some of the intense floggings I've received from Dommes during general BDSM play (while shackled bent over a wooden horse or locked onto a St. Andrews cross, for examples). Ponyplay seems almost gentle compared to those experiences.

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 11:07:09 PM   
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Is ponyplay edgeplay? It seems tame to me compared with some of the intense floggings I've received from Dommes during general BDSM play (while shackled bent over a wooden horse or locked onto a St. Andrews cross, for examples). Ponyplay seems almost gentle compared to those experiences. Even when I've been whacked with the whip during pony training, it was fleeting, and only to enforce a command (it works every time!) But I know experienced hard-core players who can take lots of pain and love things like having candle wax dripped all over their genitals, hard floggings & whippings, severe bondage, sensory deprivation and more (and have even appeared in videos doing this), who turn away shyly and shake their heads when asked to try some ponyplay. Why would that be? Is ponyplay that "out there" compared to other kinds of kinky play? If so, why?


ponyboyachilles, I think 'edge play' has different meanings to different people.  To me, the term means play which carries a risk of harm to the submissive, if the Dom doesn't really, really know what He's doing.  So I think of fire play, cutting, breath play, etc. as 'edge play'.
 
I am on the fence about about pony play.  I love the costumes, especially the ones made of intricate rope, but I'm not crazy about the idea of having my 'tail' attached to a butt plug  Anal is omething I'm still on the fence about too.
 
When 'pony play' moves from costumes and such and involves actually pulling a Dom in a cart, especially with other such carts and people around, at least for now, I'm not interested.  I don't think I'm strong enough, and exhibitionism like this isn't one of my 'kinks'.
 
But all this is only my POV at the moment; what matters is what you enjoy yourself and what your Domme enjoys Herself.  It doesn't really matter if our labels line up.
 
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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 11:42:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		a lot of practice celeste, which is a part of what i like about it,

op: it really is a level of excelence you can choose to aspire too that is similar to bookblacking witchis another example of things that might look boring from the onlookers POV, no red lines, no welts, no great balls of fire, but to the two people involved who have both worked hard at creating and maintaining that connection it is very powerful. but yet that is not the edge you are talking about, and i get that, so let me for a second talk about the danger edge.

when in pony space i become an animal, for me i am rather wild, and i spook very easily, a snake or a fly can be so shocking to me that i could rear up and break my ankle in the flash of a second.

there is also the idea of breaking a pony, this has not happened to me, but it did happen to my freind and basically communication failed and the dom did not realise the pony could not speak because she was so deeply in space, and he beat her very soundly with a crop thinking it was fun but it was terrifing for the pony

there is also my head....sounds funny but i tend to bump my head into things, accidentlally and if another head is there, petting me, it could be bad news....


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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/28/2008 11:52:24 PM   
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yea, edgeplay by definition is when you are focused on things you really don't like and learn to like them, once you like them, its no longer edgeplay....

By definition?  Where is it defined this way other than in your post?

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 5:31:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Slap & tickle dress up with my latex Pony Girls isn’t edge play to me.  However being trained for cart and dressage or competing in public exhibitions seems ‘edgy’ from my perspective.

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 6:02:45 AM   
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Anything can be edgeplay- depends on how risky you make it and how inherently risky for that particular person it is.  Someone afraid of horses, it could be really freakin edgy for them.

But it is not generally conglomerated in the "always high risk" types of kinky play most people associate as edge play.


Bolded part sums it up.  The definition of edgeplay is subjective.  People might generally agree on personal definitions, but there isn't one.

So to the OP - use your own judgment, as most have expressed.  Hard to go wrong personally defining a subjective concept.

As to where edgeplay falls in general definition - well, assuming one gives a crap about how subjective terms are generally defined [anyone have a large value of 2?], I suppose a local group might have one definition; online communities, another [and apparently MTV has their own opinion, which strangely sounds like what wwwkevinww said - here's the link].  Pick one.  Dance naked, be happy for the definition.  Sadly, it means nothing in the long run.



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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 6:27:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Edgeplay is anything that can harm you: it can be physical, like a whipping, or play that makes you bleed, or possibly causes internal damage: Or it could be mental, something that so fucks with your sense of self that you are in danger of suffering a psychotic break.

Ponyplay can be a major physical stress test. Pulling a cart, or carrying your owner on your shoulders could cause back problems, cardio-vascular stress, heat stroke (if outside on a hot day) and so forth. It can also be a form of headspace that you just don't get with most forms of BDSM play. In pony, you are reduced to an animalistic state... you aren't "thinking" the way you do everyday. This sort of change could be devestating to a sub, if they have any kind ofself esteem, or humiliation issues to start with. (Again, context is everything... many pony scenes can also feel quite freeing, depending on the attention you are getting from your owner.)

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 6:58:04 AM   
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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 12:41:12 PM   
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To me, the term means play which carries a risk of harm to the submissive, if the Dom doesn't really, really know what He's doing.  So I think of fire play, cutting, breath play, etc. as 'edge play'.


I think edge play is almost the total opposite of this i.e. risks that you can't account for and reduce to zero but still accept regardless. There is always a risk of infection, you can reduce the risk by having clinical conditions but not totally eliminate the risk altogether, it's impossible no matter what the experience of the Dominant practitioner. Therefore my definition of edge play would be: Activates with inherent risks that can't be eliminated altogether.

Contrast that with bipolarber stating the risk of heat stroke inherent to ponyplay. Now for me that is a risk that can be totally eliminated with the right precautions set in place. I'm willing to believe ponyplay could be considered edge play from the psychological aspect but not the physical.


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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 1:28:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, to me it's not edgeplay, but I'd say no if any one asked me to try it because it's of no interest to me. Why isn't it of any interest to me? Quite simply I have no desire to pretend to be a horse or used like one. Or in some cases use others as a horse.It's not erotic, it's not exciting, hell it's not even interesting to me. And why waste time on something that has zero interest to me, when I could be spending that wasted time on something that DOES interest me.
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ORIGINAL: ponyboyachilles

Is ponyplay edgeplay? It seems tame to me compared with some of the intense floggings I've received from Dommes during general BDSM play (while shackled bent over a wooden horse or locked onto a St. Andrews cross, for examples). Ponyplay seems almost gentle compared to those experiences. Even when I've been whacked with the whip during pony training, it was fleeting, and only to enforce a command (it works every time!) But I know experienced hard-core players who can take lots of pain and love things like having candle wax dripped all over their genitals, hard floggings & whippings, severe bondage, sensory deprivation and more (and have even appeared in videos doing this), who turn away shyly and shake their heads when asked to try some ponyplay. Why would that be? Is ponyplay that "out there" compared to other kinds of kinky play? If so, why?


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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 1:36:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now understand, I adore pony-play, and hope, at some point, to get out of the City, where I can keep a "pony" or two... to me, pony-play -does- qualify as "edge play" because it requires subsuming the human self into a state where one responds and reacts as the animal that one is emulating. It takes away one's voice, and takes away, in a sense, one's 'humanity'... relegating a human being to animal-like status. Because of this, many people shy away from the mental/emotional rigors of pony play in particular. I think that puppy-play is a bit more... forgiving, in that it is in the nature of puppies to behave and be treated much like young children. Pony-play, on the other hand, truly 'animalizes' the submissive, creating a beast of burden or a display "animal" where a human once stood.

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/29/2008 5:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it edge  play ? seems to be the main question . First of all when in pony  sometimes its play , sometimes its training , sometimes its work other times edgy . This is one of those things that is a mindset  and a exchange in power  with a loving caring trainer , yet some think  its easy  and  just toss on a few  pieces of gear and  poof  your a pony , not so . Just as it is not  easy to be  a trainer .
`~` amy  very nice words and thoughts  ..
So  Yes it can be edge play for some depending on  that persons definition , i think it does not have to be an edge exchange  all the time every time .

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RE: Is ponyplay edgeplay? - 6/30/2008 12:40:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm on the side of the "edge play means dangerous play" definition. Some types of play are just more risky than others. To me, however, that does include mentally dangerous types of play. Doing some pony style role playing isn't edge play. But long term pony playing in which the pony loses much of the human touch i think can be edge play.

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