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Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 9:10:59 AM

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Which are your sexual morals: the ones you preach in public, or the ones you practice in private?

Thanks to Internet search monitoring, we can now investigate private morals. If we can't do it household by household, we can do it community by community. This has a direct bearing on obscenity law. It's turning hypocrisy into a verifiable legal issue.

A case scheduled for trial next week shows how. The defendant is accused of purveying obscene material from a Florida Web site. To be judged obscene, the material has to be found patently offensive or prurient by "contemporary community standards." According to Matt Richtel of the New York Times, the defense attorney in the case, Lawrence Walters, will use Google Trends to argue that the community's standards are lower than advertised. Walters "plans to show that residents of Pensacola are more likely to use Google to search for terms like 'orgy' than for 'apple pie' or 'watermelon,'" Richtel reports. (Evidence here.) The point is "to demonstrate that interest in the sexual subjects exceeds that of more mainstream topics—and that by extension, the sexual material distributed by his client is not outside the norm."

http://www.slate.com/id/2194336/

Just how much hypocrisy is out there, I wonder, at times? I tend to think "a lot".

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 9:40:26 AM

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I'm not sure that makes it hypocrisy. Just that some things should be private and others not.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 9:43:30 AM

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A very interesting article, Level. I never thought to put cyber in quite those terms before but they certainly make sense. Cyber is rather like the bridge between thinking and doing. It's probably time the collective 'we' quit dissing on those who confine their activities to online since it is more than 'thinking' yet less than doing. To each their own, YKIOK and all that stuff.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 9:48:46 AM

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I'm a whore online.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 9:53:20 AM

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Which are your sexual morals: the ones you preach in public, or the ones you practice in private?

Mine personally are the same in public and private.
I'm not so sure it's hypocrisy, more the need to conform to what people 'believe' is acceptable sexually communally.
Lets face it the mentality of 'sex is dirty and should be done with the lights out and not talked about' still reigns in some communities / places / walks of life.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 9:56:18 AM

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I'm not sure that makes it hypocrisy. Just that some things should be private and others not.

I disagree completely. It is the very definition of hypocrisy. False virtue and pretense. Someone engaging in online viewing activities in the privacy of their own home is being held to a public standard then you find out that the general public is also engaging in the same sorts of online viewing activities so where is the actual standard? I see no difference in that and skipping down to the local dungeon with a picket sign condemning the leather set then turning around and going home to get my ass beat by Himself. Do as I say not as I do didn't even work on me before I reached my majority.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 10:29:12 AM

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I'm not sure that makes it hypocrisy. Just that some things should be private and others not.

Well, it's not hypocrisy unless we see that the prosecutor on the case has his own porn stash. Or that the majority of residents of the city support the case. You can't argue that my neighbor is a hypocrite for protesting deviant porn on the basis that i'm a huge pervert.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 11:15:59 AM

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I'm Dominant and I really don't care what people "think" one way or the other.
Sometimes I'll use it to shock people; "Yup, I'm one of those people who like to tie women down to my bed and spank them."
Most times people smile.
If I was running for Public Office I'd have a paddle and handcuffs as my logos.
"Vote for Popeye, he'll whip criminals."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll tie down this budget."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll handcuff illegal aliens."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll gag the idiots in Washington."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll torture beurocrats."

Yup, that'd be my platform and I'd have a couple of hot Misstresses to either side of me too, that'd get the guys votes.
"Wow! I'm going to vote for Popeye, he's serious!"
lolol

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 2:08:04 PM

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If I was running for Public Office I'd have a paddle and handcuffs as my logos.
"Vote for Popeye, he'll whip criminals."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll tie down this budget."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll handcuff illegal aliens."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll gag the idiots in Washington."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll torture beurocrats."

Yup, that'd be my platform and I'd have a couple of hot Misstresses to either side of me too, that'd get the guys votes.
"Wow! I'm going to vote for Popeye, he's serious!"
lolol

That's hilarious, Popeye! I'll vote for ya

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 4:18:21 PM

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So will I lol

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 5:03:30 PM

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Since I maintain the same standards online as offline, I doubt anyone who knows me could call me hypocritical about my sexuality.

I'm an unrepentant slut - period, that's simply the way things are - and I see no need to hide that since I could give a shit what anyone else thinks about my being so completely Out about it.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 6:13:48 PM

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It's called "Cognitive Dissonance."

When one holds two contradictions at the same time, it can create a stressful situation or conflict of the psyche. So one may try to reduce the stress or conflict by suppressing one of the contradictions when holding the other.

Perfect example is Elliot Spitzer. He promoted himself as having high morals and even vigorously prosecuted prostitutes. This was a "front" designed to mask his conflicting side. At the same time he was paying a prostitute tens of thousands of dollars.

This is also seen in homophobia. People who are very strongly against homosexual rights tend to have problems dealing with their own sexuality and may even be homosexual themselves. A study by the University of Georgia demonstrated that the most homophobic men also showed the most arrousal to homosexual porn. While men who were not homophobic showed almost no arrousal. What was even more interesting was that the homophobic men strongly denied any arrousal even though it was physically evident if they just looked down at their erection.

As Shakespeare wrote: dost protest too much. If someone seems to have a strong vendetta or an unusual obsession against an activity, it is likely they perform that activity, or there is some type of underlying conflict going on in their personality they are trying to cover up from public view.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/28/2008 7:56:05 PM

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To be judged obscene, the material has to be found patently offensive or prurient by "contemporary community standards."

I think it is hypocrisy if it can be shown that the "community standards" being used by the prosecution do not, in fact, reflect the behaviour of the community. Bita is right, that is simply "do as I say and not as I do".

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/29/2008 1:48:10 AM

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Hypocrisy is very much a factor in vice laws. Remember Prohibition?

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/29/2008 1:49:56 AM

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I'm not sure that makes it hypocrisy. Just that some things should be private and others not.

You know this is exactly the attitude which causes someone like me so many problems and difficulties in life. This isn't just the insults, ridicule or abuse I sometimes have to put up with, but the handicap I carry when it comes to to such things like employment or relationships.

Some people should mind their own business and stop judging others on the basis of their own morality, but they don't.

Which is why we have the situation we have right now.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/29/2008 1:57:33 AM

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Which are your sexual morals: the ones you preach in public, or the ones you practice in private?

Thanks to Internet search monitoring, we can now investigate private morals. If we can't do it household by household, we can do it community by community. This has a direct bearing on obscenity law. It's turning hypocrisy into a verifiable legal issue.

A case scheduled for trial next week shows how. The defendant is accused of purveying obscene material from a Florida Web site. To be judged obscene, the material has to be found patently offensive or prurient by "contemporary community standards." According to Matt Richtel of the New York Times, the defense attorney in the case, Lawrence Walters, will use Google Trends to argue that the community's standards are lower than advertised. Walters "plans to show that residents of Pensacola are more likely to use Google to search for terms like 'orgy' than for 'apple pie' or 'watermelon,'" Richtel reports. (Evidence here.) The point is "to demonstrate that interest in the sexual subjects exceeds that of more mainstream topics—and that by extension, the sexual material distributed by his client is not outside the norm."

http://www.slate.com/id/2194336/

Just how much hypocrisy is out there, I wonder, at times? I tend to think "a lot".

Level, hypocrcisy aounds and always has. To my way of thinking it's a form of lying. The 'net may have made it more tempting for people to be hypocrites about anyting and everything, but the desire to do so had to present in them first.

By the way, it's disturbing that Google would release info on search terms used by any individual, whether or not they were identified by name. Google should not be permitted -- by law -- to even collect this info, though I'm sure its quite valuable in sales, etc.

It's akin to getting the library to print out a list of all the books somene has taken out. We are losing our privacy by the mile, and we don't even realise it's happening.

For awhile, because of Google's willingness to cooperate with law enforcement, I used a different search engine -- dogpile. I may resume that practice in light of this news.

Thank you for an excellent Op.

candystripper

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/29/2008 6:51:58 AM

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It's akin to getting the library to print out a list of all the books somene has taken out. We are losing our privacy by the mile, and we don't even realise it's happening.

That isn't really how Google trends works. It's more akin to a library printing out a list of how often particular books are rented out as a whole, and perhaps doing some basic comparisons such as comparing to other libraries, or seeing how rentals vary between days. It's not like they're offering up lists of search requests submitted from each individual IP address.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/29/2008 12:22:25 PM

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this cringes into private thoughts. many of which are best not spoken to a number of people one comes in contact with on a day to day life.

So for civility and decorum there is time and place for such discussion. alot of things I think about would not be "mom"=friendly. But as a gentleman I must show taste when talking to those who might be offended by this type of talk.

on the other hand- if anyone looks in my drawar and doesnt like what they see- then they should not have looked....

which reminds me- family coming in next week. I have to hide the porn.

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/29/2008 5:07:24 PM

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I'm a whore online.

(I'm just a whore).

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RE: Sexual hypocrisy and the internet - 6/29/2008 7:24:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I'm Dominant and I really don't care what people "think" one way or the other.
Sometimes I'll use it to shock people; "Yup, I'm one of those people who like to tie women down to my bed and spank them."
Most times people smile.
If I was running for Public Office I'd have a paddle and handcuffs as my logos.
"Vote for Popeye, he'll whip criminals."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll tie down this budget."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll handcuff illegal aliens."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll gag the idiots in Washington."
"Vote for Popeye, he'll torture beurocrats."

Yup, that'd be my platform and I'd have a couple of hot Misstresses to either side of me too, that'd get the guys votes.
"Wow! I'm going to vote for Popeye, he's serious!"
lolol

I would bet money that you would do these things if elected!
You won't be the usual politician that is just talking out of his arse!
I will vote for you also!

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