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Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 10:29:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/
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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 10:42:27 PM   
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"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/


Yeah, I'm sure since Obama looks black, he's probably trying with all his might to suppress the "Jesse Jackson" in him... LMFAO   Just hilarious seeing the Republican frantically try to scamper for every little morsel or nugget (even if it is rehashed stereotypes that are 200 years old...when all else fails).  I'm truely entertained by all this.

When Obama is behind, he's black.  When Obama is ahead, ....well u GOTTA remember that he is after all HALF white after all.  LMAO.  This country is destined for the sewer drain people refuse to let go of the fact that race doesn't play a role in competence.  The guy's such a natural, just like Kennedy and Clinton.... yet racist people weren't wired to believe a black can be like this.  Tiger Woods suddenly stopped being black when he became a Golfing legend.  He's just known as ... "Tiger Woods" now.  And we'll sweep under the rug, that he is Black.  Weird.  I will never understand people who refuse to step into the light and admit that individuals are individuals regardless of how their group is doing on the whole or what boxes people need to shove in.  The whole anti-Obama thing, seems so emotional from the racists.  I can't imagine why.  Maybe their superiority complex that relied on the race issue, might get crushed if they see things as they are?  And their world of neat little boxes is crushed?




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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 10:48:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well this is Ralph Nader talking and though he is supposed to share some qualities with the Dem's reality is he's proof of the old "with friends like these" saying.Most Democrats believe he cost Gore the election in 2000,long before the first chad started hanging...

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 10:50:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ralph Nader is certainly not a Republican. He hates both political parties.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 10:52:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		What really bugs me about Nader is 2004. No mea culpa between 2000 and 2004 and he runs again all the while arguing that not one person who voted for him would have voted for Gore if he hadn't run or if he had ended his campaign before the election and endorsed Gore. Being a stalking horse for the GOP once I could forgive but the second time, with gleeful GOP operatives helping him get on ballots, is too much.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 10:53:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nader is a Republican? What are you smoking?
It is funny how it is the people on the Left who seem to be so focused on race in this election. Obama included.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 10:58:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can actually remember when the man had something relevant to say.Was a tireless champion for increased safety measures from American manufactures,chiefly and wildly successful taking on the big three of auto-making.Sadly now he is just a man that as stayed on the stage too long....someone should find him a nice retirement home,maybe teach him golf or something

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:07:37 PM   
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"Obama plays chess... he's an elitist snob!"
"Obama flosses - all image, no substance?"

Hahahaha REALLY pathetic.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:13:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Barack Obama is half-white and half-Kenyan. Despite the fact that he chooses to identify as "African-American", his heritage really has very little in common with most African-American blacks. He is not a descendants of West African slaves imported generations ago, he is the son of a free East African. His heritage therefore has about the same similarity to most blacks in the US, as the child of a Russian immigrant in Brooklyn, NY has with descendants of English people who came here on the Mayflower. In other words: ethnic group, language, culture, religion are all different, with the only real similarities being similar skin color, and coming from the same continent (but opposites ends of the continents in question.) In fairness, though, Obama probably doesn't have much choice about identifying as he does, because of the nature of the racism that occurs here, including the illogical notion that being part black =  being only black. (This is known as the "one-drop rule", formerly a legal principle in the US, now deemed unconstitutional.)

As for Tiger Woods, whereas Obama is simply bi-racial, Woods is truly and prolifically multi-racial, having (if I recall correctly) several kinds of Asian, as well as white, black and Native American ancestry. So it's even sillier to call him "black", and he does not identify himself that way, either: he coined a word "Caublinasian" to describe his mixture of heritages.

Concerning one-drop rules... the only one that might actually sense is to identify a person with [at least] one-drop of blood from heritage that is indigenous to where one is.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:14:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am disappointed with Nader's statement here.  What does he mean by "talking white"? Senator Obama is a highly educated man who speaks well in public.  

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:19:10 PM   
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I am disappointed with Nader's statement here.  What does he mean by "talking white"? Senator Obama is a highly educated man who speaks well in public.  


Nader is saying the Obama is speaking like any other normal elitist white candidate of the Democratic party would. That Obama is not talking about the issues important to black people (like poverty, inner-city crime, education, and predatory lending) because he's afraid of looking like Jesse Jackson. So Obama "talks white" in order to send a message that he has no intention of upsetting the white power structure...therefore whites will vote for him.

In other words, Nader doesn't believe Obama or the Democrats will change a damn thing.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:21:09 PM   
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I am disappointed with Nader's statement here.  What does he mean by "talking white"? Senator Obama is a highly educated man who speaks well in public.  
To give the devil his due,I think he was referring more to the percieved lack to address "black issues".The implication being that he stays away from these so has to appeal to "typical white"voters.Nader is obviously perplexed at Obama's refusal to run a campaign based solely on his skin color...go figure huh?

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:23:52 PM   
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Nader is a Republican? What are you smoking?
It is funny how it is the people on the Left who seem to be so focused on race in this election. Obama included.


No, Nader's not a Republican.  Nader's a dyed in the wool, genuine, horse's ass Socialist.  He's also the best thing that ever happened to George W. Bush.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:25:52 PM   
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Nader is a Republican? What are you smoking?
It is funny how it is the people on the Left who seem to be so focused on race in this election. Obama included.


No, Nader's not a Republican.  Nader's a dyed in the wool, genuine, horse's ass Socialist.  He's also the best thing that ever happened to George W. Bush.


Not really...the old senior citizens in Palm Beach County, Florida is the best thing that happened to Bush. Gore would have won even with Nader had the old people knew how to vote. Most voted for Pat Buchanon by mistake because they couldnt read the ballot (a ballot designed by a Gore supporer, ironically).

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/25/2008 11:31:39 PM   
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Barack Obama is an educated man, who's part white, and speaks well. What is talking white? Speaking proper english and not street or ghetto slang? And another thing, there are many African Americans who aren't part white who speak very well too. Don't take that away from them.

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/26/2008 12:08:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obama is whatever race he wants to be, I really don't care.  That Ralph Nader is a Lebanese immigrant, who's from the older generation.  MAYBE he didn't want Gore to win, because his VP is Jewish???  Not sure what he's trying to accomplish by saying that Obama is trying to be white.  I think he's trying to get Obama to use race as an issue to make Obama care more about Nader's issues. 
I think Obama is just acting the way he was raised to act...and not TRYING TO ACT in anyway particular way.  He's just a natural in politics.  Obama seems to be aware of his perception in the country as black and plays with it, but it never affects him nor does he stoop to their level and use his race to his advantage... like poor me, look at what I had to overcome B.S.   Maybe because he was raised in Hawaii where race wasn't such a big deal, that he doesn't do that.  But that's just one of the respectable things about him...not stooping down to manipulative politics. Amongst many others. 

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/26/2008 3:21:47 AM   
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Tiger Woods suddenly stopped being black when he became a Golfing legend.  He's just known as ... "Tiger Woods" now.  And we'll sweep under the rug, that he is Black.  Weird. 



Sorry to burst your bubble but Tiger Woods isn't black and he refers to himself as “Cablinasian” He is actually half Asian, (25% Thai / 25% Chineese) , 1/8 Native American, 1/8 Dutch Caucasion, and only 1/4 black.

Thus maybe the "forgetting hes black" is because he is only a minority black - 75% of his ancestry is other than black and I would actually classify him as "Asian". It is amusing as hell though to see how people in the black community will leap to claim him as one of their own, when they will viciously discriminate against inter-racial children or even "blacks who arent dark enough"...

I am absolutley not kidding about that! We studied it in a sociology class I took in college. There is a heirarchy of blackness in the black community and the less dark skinned you are, the less accepted you are as there is presumably what I will refer to as "a white man in the woodpile" somewhere... Many blacks are absolutely horrible to interracial children - yet if its Tiger Woods well hell of course the Chineese-Thai-Native American - Dutch person is black! Hes 1/4 black so hes ours!

The whole Barrack Obama thing is interesting too in that he is only half black. He actually has no connection at all to the American Black, as his black father was a Kenyan national, and he was raised in Indonesia where everyone is dark skinned so what does he know about discrimination??? I mean really, Obama's father was from Kenya not Watts or the South Side of Chicago or a Missisipi Share Cropping farm... Yet somehow he became the patron saint of the blacks? How can this be? I mean if he wasn't running for President he would be getting what they would call his "half honkey harvard educated foreigner ass" beaten on the streets of Harlem for not being black LOL

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/26/2008 4:19:12 AM   
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That would be the GM executive who got pissed when he was denied a promotion and wrote a tell-all book, then proceeded to spend the next several decades bamboozling people that he is a reformer and an activist?

The one who bleeds votes off from liberal candidates every so often, assuring victory to the conservatives?

And now he has set himself up as the arbiter of whether or not Obama is black enough?


Some people will fall for anything...

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/26/2008 4:38:11 AM   
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Barack Obama is an educated man, who's part white, and speaks well. What is talking white? Speaking proper english and not street or ghetto slang? And another thing, there are many African Americans who aren't part white who speak very well too. Don't take that away from them.

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          On the flip side....there are some whites(and not all poor) that have atrocious speech and grammar, but that isn't really the matter at hand here....
   
  i think Nader's point was Obama isn't addressing "African-American" issues.  Right now, as an African -American, i can honestly say, i'm more concerned with the economy, war in Iraq, corporate welfare running rampant...i believe we call them American issues.  After all, Obama is running to be president of the United Staes of America...not African-America, last time i checked.  i hate divisive tactics, whether from the far left or right.  The issues are too important to keep all the nit-picking alive. 

  When i pay taxes...there is no difference based on race.  In the military, when they show a pic of a soldier that died in Iraq, do we keep score of how many of them are black or brown?  Same with gas, food, and healthcare...  Am i ignorant or unaware that there is a racial divide in this country?  Hardly....but i wouldn't let race deter me from taking care of all my family.  Whiners are too busy bitching to get anything done.  Mr.Nader, and those like him (the irony being, they think they are helping) would do well to remember that.  i can honestly say, come November whoever wins...just knowing that the present administaration is out on their collective asses, gives me great joy.  i think most of us feel a bit disenfranchised after the past eight years...Ralph Nader thinks he speaks for all disenfranchised Americans....but maybe disenfranchisement isn't black enough.  whatever....

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RE: Ralph Nader: Obama is trying to talk white - 6/26/2008 6:37:46 AM   
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Just hilarious seeing the Republican frantically try to scamper for every little morsel or nugget (even if it is rehashed stereotypes that are 200 years old...when all else fails).  I'm truely entertained by all this.




            Well, something here is mighty entertaining...

        So Ralphie is a rascist.  Who'd have thunk it?  Maybe he is trying to reach out to all those progressive types who would never in a million years vote for a black person in a position that actually matters?

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