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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 2:47:55 PM   
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I voted for Ross Perot in 1992.
This is what I mean when I say we need a "manager" in the W.H. and not a "leader" or "celebrity."
It's pretty bad when the lemmings applaud their candidate for....taking off his jacket.
See that popeye knew we didn't disagree too much.I too cast a ballot for Perot in 1992,after all is said and done felt like I threw away my ballot.No third party candidate has a chance...and that sucks


No 3rd party before Perot had a chance in hell of getting included in the debates.

No 3rd party before Perot had a chance in hell of getting more than 3% of the vote, and as Level indicated, it approached 20%.

My Mom chewed me out for about 20 minutes for "throwing away my vote", and after she spent all that energy, I very calmly explained to her that it was and is my responsability as an American to vote for the best man or woman for the job, regardless of their chances of achieving office, and indeed, as she argued in her original points to me that "I'm voting for the best man that can actually get in...not necessarily the best man", I was finally able to get her to see that indeed...it was her who threw away her vote, not me.

Had more people voted what they knew to be the truth, as opposed to listening to all the blather about "he can't win" or "you're only stripping away votes from so and so, guaranteeing the other so and so will win"....Perot would have won that election, and the one that followed.


Gris has I said I voted for him,but the reality is 20% is still along way away from taking an oath

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 3:08:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slvemike, my parents were Irish, catholic, working class, union people who always voted for Democrats.
If they were alive today they surely wouldn't recognise the Democratic party!
Democrats were, "the workingman's party."
Not anymore.
Obama's talking about more "outsourcing", more foreign aid, getting us involved in "genocides" in Africa, and on and on.
He needs to read the job description for, "President, U.S., one each."
If you look at it, (The Big Picture) the Democratic party has now evolved into a "global socialist world poverty interventionist party."
The Republicans have evolved into a "cleptocracy of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for the rich  "contractors"party."
I won't be throwing away my vote this November by voting for either Dems or Repubs.
-Popeye-

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 3:10:02 PM   
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I voted for Ross Perot in 1992.
This is what I mean when I say we need a "manager" in the W.H. and not a "leader" or "celebrity."
It's pretty bad when the lemmings applaud their candidate for....taking off his jacket.

You previously claimed to have voted Constitution party in 1992. Which was it? Howard Phillips or Ross Perot?

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 3:16:59 PM   
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Gris has I said I voted for him,but the reality is 20% is still along way away from taking an oath


(That must be some of that new math they teach in school these days....'cause by my calculations....it's exactly 19.99999999999999999999% closer than never having tried at all).

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 3:21:18 PM   
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Gris has I said I voted for him,but the reality is 20% is still along way away from taking an oath


(That must be some of that new math they teach in school these days....'cause by my calculations....it's exactly 19.99999999999999999999% closer than never having tried at all).

Which unfortunately is STILL a long way from making a speech in Jan.....just saying

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 3:29:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I voted for Ross Perot in 1992.
This is what I mean when I say we need a "manager" in the W.H. and not a "leader" or "celebrity."
It's pretty bad when the lemmings applaud their candidate for....taking off his jacket.

You previously claimed to have voted Constitution party in 1992. Which was it? Howard Phillips or Ross Perot?


DomKen, it was Ross Perot.
After that election (1992) I've voted for the Constitution party in every election.
Sorry for the confusion.
I  was driving either a Mercury Cougar or a Mercury Grand Marquis in 1992 but I can't remember unless I go into my boxes of old paperwork.
This comming November I will be voting for whoever runs in the C.P. *unless*, Lou Dobbs surprises everyone and runs as a third party candidate like many people want him to do!
And then there's always the *potential* "October surprise" of Hillary Clinton running as a third party candidate!
That's what this country needs, to have Lou Dobbs and Hillary running too!
DomKen, didn't your pulse start racing when Obama took off his jacket?
C'mon now, didn't your breathing increase?
In the 1800's they called that; "the vapors."

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 3:44:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you look into the history of the United States, there were more than two parties in the beginning,  and a few were successful.

What makes more than one party a problem in the modern era is the fact that under the electorial college system, the electorial votes are set by the total popular vote in the state from which the electorial college members come from.

Which brings us to the TWO reasons a person can win the popular vote and still lose the election.
1) The electorial college system is based on the total population in a givin state, like the house of representitives is set up, with an equal number of electoral votes.
2) There is no law that specifically forces a member of the electorial college to vote the way his state voted in the first place.
In other words, a person could get 100% of the vote in a state, and every member of the electorial college from that state could still turn around and vote for the other person.

This means that the entire political process in the United States is little more than a public show to try and impress the population and the rest of the world.  In a very real sense, your vote is nothing more than a practice of blind faith that the winner will be the people's choice.


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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 4:21:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		jlf, and many independant thinkers and voters like myself are getting weary of there only being two *sides*. The "conservative" side and the "liberal" side.
There is *a lot* of area in between those two widely separated groups of people!
All they want to do is argue with each other instead of getting down to solving the problems of this country.
"Democrat" or "Republican" is not really a choice anymore!
Look at the damage those two partys *alone* have done to this country.
If we have a Depression "Republican" and "Democrat" are going to become dirty words!

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 5:40:17 PM   
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(And yepper...I did...and I'd do it again if he even mouthed the words "I'm running")



i've actually been wondering if he would pop up again... he could pretty much run on the slogan "You didn't listen to me last time, and NOW look what happened!"...

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 6:31:28 PM   
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(And yepper...I did...and I'd do it again if he even mouthed the words "I'm running")



i've actually been wondering if he would pop up again... he could pretty much run on the slogan "You didn't listen to me last time, and NOW look what happened!"...



Petdave! Wow! I never thought of that!
You should get in touch with him and see if he needs a campaign manager!

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 6:41:53 PM   
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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 6:49:34 PM   
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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 7:01:30 PM   
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ITS that GREAT BIG SUCKING SOUND!!!!


Remember one of the "promises" that Clinton and a bunch of other pols gave us?
"Nafta will create MILLIONS of high paying manufacturing jobs in the U.S.!"

Oh?
Gee, it's been 13 years now, where are they?
Why don't the pols want to talk about NAFTA now?
We need to ram NAFTA right up their fucking asses and break it off!

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 7:05:29 PM   
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WASHINGTON -- Sixteen years after he shook up American politics by launching an impromptu campaign for president, Ross Perot is about to dip a toe back into the public debates. And, yes, he's bringing his charts with him to make his point.

Beginning Sunday, people who go to www.perotcharts.com will find the Dallas billionaire waiting to challenge them on one of his favorite subjects -- the "ruin" he says America is courting with its spendthrift ways.

"We are right at the edge of the cliff," the voice with the unmistakable Texas twang informed me, when I called him the other day to find out about this latest venture. "We can't go on spending money we don't have."


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/perot_returns_charts_and_all.html

http://perotcharts.com/

Okay, so this post isn't "just links"..... Perot is right. It's hard to drive a vehicle in the right direction with one's head up one's ass.


Perot always struck me as a mad genuis.
 
Of course he's correct -- any CPA could tell Y/you that.
 
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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 7:07:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't it going to be kind of hard for Perot to run the government while at the same time hiding from it because it is trying to kill his family? 

This is the same Perot who's debate 'skills' caused support for NAFTA to double after his go round with the scintillating Algore?

The same Perot who thought the country would be safe in the hands of Adm. Stockdale if something should happen to the President?

The same Perot who thought that a bunch of flip charts and a 'Because I said so' would produce the same effect in the electorate as it did at a meeting of his employees?


Riiiiiight.

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 8:14:48 PM   
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Petdave! Wow! I never thought of that!
You should get in touch with him and see if he needs a campaign manager!


Kinda funny to think that it would actually mean doing something with my degree (political science) after all these years

i think a Perot/Paul or Paul/Perot ticket would take between 15-25% depending on how the campaign was run, and how much airtime they paid for (since the networks screwed Paul over at every turn during the primaries). It would certainly be interesting.

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RE: The Return of Ross Perot - 6/15/2008 8:41:53 PM   
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Petdave! Wow! I never thought of that!
You should get in touch with him and see if he needs a campaign manager!


Kinda funny to think that it would actually mean doing something with my degree (political science) after all these years

i think a Perot/Paul or Paul/Perot ticket would take between 15-25% depending on how the campaign was run, and how much airtime they paid for (since the networks screwed Paul over at every turn during the primaries). It would certainly be interesting.



Political science, eh?
My condolances.

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