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RE: POLLYamory - 5/12/2008 7:59:36 PM   
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parrots masturbate?  well hell, learn something new every day!

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OOOOOOOooooooh yeah.  I had a Moluccan that used to perch on my hand while I watched TV  and run his bottom (aka vent)over my knuckles.. and I had better not move until he was done.  What a surprise when I learned what he was doing!  I didn't know whether to feel flattered or violated! LOL!


LOL
 
When I was seven, I had an English Budgie that liked to do the wild thang in my hair.....very freaky

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/12/2008 9:01:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two parrots mating.
 
And no, the male doesn't have a penis.  They match up their vents, the male stimulates himself by rubbing his vent back and forth against her's until he ejaculates into her vent.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-_ZQEY3E6-w

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/12/2008 10:29:14 PM   
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parrots masturbate?  well hell, learn something new every day!

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Hugh also had an Improper Relationship with the cockatiel Buddy.  Buddy didn't mind, anyway!  And he never did it with me. 

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/12/2008 10:38:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two rescue birds here.  One Bare-eyed Cockatoo (named Dinkum, because, well...he's from Down Under, and he's a "fair dinkum" of a bird).  And one Red Lory, named Aki.  and both horny males.   Dinkum will spend hours "grooming" my wife while she's reading or watching TV, and then he'll try to consummate something with her...or with one of the cats (a short lived love affair).

As for their long lifespans, and what you do after you've gone, Lotus?  Simple.  We've often told our UM that we had her to take care of THEM.

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/13/2008 7:26:39 AM   
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Two rescue birds here.  One Bare-eyed Cockatoo (named Dinkum, because, well...he's from Down Under, and he's a "fair dinkum" of a bird).  And one Red Lory, named Aki.  and both horny males.   Dinkum will spend hours "grooming" my wife while she's reading or watching TV, and then he'll try to consummate something with her...or with one of the cats (a short lived love affair).

As for their long lifespans, and what you do after you've gone, Lotus?  Simple.  We've often told our UM that we had her to take care of THEM.

E.

Two beautiful species and thank you for their rescue :)  I hope to find a friend I can will my birds to as my friend has done.  The female, Lolita, is basically a personal "rescue".    She had been caged with little out of cage time and the older my friend got.. the more she would "forget" to do some maintenance (cage cleaning.. water changes.).  So after a visit of another friend to her, she told me how feather picked my Lolita had become.  I'd see her condition on my visits to her but this was getting bad.  So I offered to buy her back much to the relief of my friend who is moving.   She was concerned as to how the bird would do in transit and in a different climate.
 
I've put her on a good diet of fruit, pasta, occasional meat, vitamins and seed.  It's just been a month now and her primary feathers are back.  Her secondaries are creeping in but her torso is still a ball of grey fluff.  But the pin feathers are promising.
 
The birds are swapping cages this morning as they visit.  She's eating his food and he is eating her's.   When I see  them feeding each other I'll KNOW they have bonded and I'll get a nest box in place.
 
To those of you who think abot getting a parrot.. they are probabley the most difficult yet rewarding pet to keep.  They will scram and bite and make a mess.  They just cn't be left in a cage to look pretty.    They are a labor of love.

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/13/2008 10:30:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		thank you, honey... I miss ol' Louie Six Toes...but I'll find another parrot someday!

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/13/2008 10:38:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am considering Falconry, after a fascinating display at our local renn faire. We are also going to be making some nest boxes for Kestrals. I dont know baout keeping them IN thehouse though. I had a budgy when I was younger but thats about it for the feathered pets

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/13/2008 6:02:14 PM   
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I am considering Falconry, after a fascinating display at our local renn faire. We are also going to be making some nest boxes for Kestrals. I dont know baout keeping them IN thehouse though. I had a budgy when I was younger but thats about it for the feathered pets

I'd talk to those that are into falconry first.  It's not something to get into lightly.



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RE: POLLYamory - 5/13/2008 7:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those who want to see the joys of parrot rearing.. and also why they cost so much..here is a breeder's diary of her breeding season:
http://www.realmacaw.com/pages/firsttime.html

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/14/2008 8:26:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny, but to me my birdie is totally low maintenance!  I feel sorry for dog owners who have to run home all the time to "let the dog out" or wander down the street with a grocery bag in their hand....   All Jed needs is constant love and attention, and why have a companion animal if you're not going to lurrrrrrrrrve it?    The guinea pig, now THAT is a high maintenance animal...

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/14/2008 8:58:43 AM   
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Funny, but to me my birdie is totally low maintenance!  I feel sorry for dog owners who have to run home all the time to "let the dog out" or wander down the street with a grocery bag in their hand....   All Jed needs is constant love and attention, and why have a companion animal if you're not going to lurrrrrrrrrve it?    The guinea pig, now THAT is a high maintenance animal...


Yup.. they can be and in another way they are not.  A parrot can actually go insane by neglect of interaction with it's owner.  It's freakin' sad.  They pluck their own feathers.. the go into repetitive movements.. they will scream incessantly.  If I do have babies.. I'm going to keep them unless I meet another person who knows how the hell to take care of them properly.
 
I think what causes the neglect is the length of time parrots live.  They have the same life span as we do and I think people just get bored... and that's a shame.  There are sanctuaries that take unwanted birds in ands it's heartbreaking when you read what they have been through.  People can be such idiots.

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/14/2008 12:16:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was told that parrots were not ideal pets due to the fact they become possessive of their owners. Also the trade in parrots is one of the factors leading to their extinction in the wild. I know people love the cuteness factor but this is really sad and you can only kid yourself the bird is as happy as it would be in the wild.

Get a dog instead

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/14/2008 1:16:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		My baby is domestically bred.  And if you count his breeder, I am his fourth human--and I got him when he was two!  He went from breeder, to a kid who sold his birds to pay for grad school, to some OLD guy who went and died, as old guys will.  His widow couldn't be bothered, and I adopted a little fluffy grey feather plucked bird whose vocabulary included the phrase "shut up".

Within six months of being told what a great guy he is pretty much all the time, he was feathered up and handsome.  He still has a damaged right wing (the flights will never grow in right) so he will never fly freely, but he has a happy home with human companions who love him.  He is NOT possessive, or a one-person grey, though he IS a grey, and therefore rather neurotic.  What else would you expect from a prey animal a few generations from the wild?  It's not like he's domesticated!

The ex and I  bought a Buffon's Macaw together....god, she was a beautiful bird!  He totally turned her against me, though, and the bird actually attacked me.  I held out my arm for her to step up, an instead she LOCKED her giant beak around my arm.  If I hadn't been wearing a leather coat I would have been in the ER getting sewn back together.  Buffy's in a new home now, with people who treat her well, but she is very territorial still, and behaves vindictively at times. 

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/14/2008 1:23:02 PM   
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The ex and I  bought a Buffon's Macaw together....god, she was a beautiful bird!  He totally turned her against me, though, and the bird actually attacked me. 


Sounds like the bird chose one favourite and it wasn't you, not sure you can train a bird to hate someone.

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/14/2008 1:42:50 PM   
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I was told that parrots were not ideal pets due to the fact they become possessive of their owners. Also the trade in parrots is one of the factors leading to their extinction in the wild. I know people love the cuteness factor but this is really sad and you can only kid yourself the bird is as happy as it would be in the wild.

Get a dog instead


They can become possessive because they see their owners as their mate.  The trade in birds was irresponsible and abusive.  Hence, why people raise them domestically now.  When they are raised by hand they imprint on the human.  Those that just keep he birdie in the cage and toss food at it and wave as they go by are my worst nightmare.  A good owner makes sure they have as much  freedom as is safe for them.  No one, man nor beast, is truly free.  IMO

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/15/2008 10:16:39 AM   
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Raechard:  I was told that parrots were not ideal pets due to the fact they become possessive of their owners. Also the trade in parrots is one of the factors leading to their extinction in the wild. I know people love the cuteness factor but this is really sad and you can only kid yourself the bird is as happy as it would be in the wild.


1.  You were told wrong.   I don't know if parrots are "ideal", but they are loving, intelligent, interesting pets.  And we have many animals in this house, not just psittacines, so you are hearing it from one parrot fan, not fanatic.
 
2.  You are completely misinformed about the trade in wild birds.  First, as Lotus and others have said, most of the psittacines you would encounter in the US and UK are domestically bred.  Second, the trade is wild birds is highly regulated, and the illegal trade is tracked and prosecuted.  The local pet shop owner who stocks the occasional bird might have purchased an illegal import (probably not, seeing as "stock" is expensive and you want to buy from a reputable source should the bird be ill or unsellable) but those of us who buy from breeders, or from established bird fair vendors, are sure of the source.  Third, if you get down to it, I'll trade a dozen bird bandits for one Amazon basin farmer with a bulldozer -- if you really worry about the destruction of wild animal environments, check where the  beans at the local coffee shop originated and leave the bird folk be.

3.  Finally, how do you know how "happy" a captive bird is?  In fact, if you define "happy" as safe from predation, well-fed, free of disease and doted upon and paid attention to, I'd think any well kept domestic animal is pretty damn "happy".  I'll listen to LadyHibiscus' or Lotus' parrot sing the "blues" about how miserable life is in the hands of a caring owner before I'll listen to you tell me that domesticated animals living with humans are miserable.

E.

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/15/2008 10:43:55 AM   
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DV:  I am considering Falconry, after a fascinating display at our local renn faire. We are also going to be making some nest boxes for Kestrals. I dont know baout keeping them IN the house though. I had a budgy when I was younger but thats about it for the feathered pets


DV, Falconry is (like most passions) expensive, frustrating, heartbreaking and exhilirating.  Might I suggest you start with a gift to yourself of a subscription to American Falconry?  The magazine has a wealth of information for a newcomer and gorgeous pictures.  Next you need to read the webpage of, and probably join, the North American Falconers Association. 

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RE: POLLYamory - 5/15/2008 11:18:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are obviously biased so I can't really make you see my viewpoint.

Bred in captivity or not makes no difference i.e. because the demand is there the trade will continue and how you can say for certain all birds in the UK/US or elsewhere were not from the illegal trade is beyond my understanding? Do you get a certificate or do you just assume they are bread in captivity? Do the people that follow your advice on how great it is to own a bird also seek out legitimate sources as you do?

A bird has wings for flying it has evolved to fly putting a bird in a cage is denying the bird its very identity, how can it be happy? This is the simple way I define it. It's a bit like me saying "Oh we could chop the penis off every new born boy I mean it's not essential he uses it and he will adapt to live without it. In fact he need not ever know he had one." It's been done in the past by doctors and yet the child always knows something is wrong. There is a genetic identity in every living creature, the brain forms partly due to a genetic profile of how that creature has evolved due to the environment around it. Why would a person ever get lonely if it was kept alone all it's life? It would because there is some basic programming in each of us.

There is no excuse for owning a bird because you are creating a dependency that that bird wouldn't normally have and in a lot of cases they will out live their owners, what then the potential for starvation in a cage? If a bird has been mistreated the ideal home is a wild life sanctuary where the enclosures are larger and the bird can be given the chance, if realistic, to mix with it's own kind.

You'll never see any of the above as valid; hands up who wants to reincarnated as a bird because you want to experience flight? I just hope you aren’t reincarnated as a bird in a cage then.


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RE: POLLYamory - 5/15/2008 12:57:21 PM   
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Bred in captivity or not makes no difference

Pure and utter horseshit.

Any animal bred in captivity is unlikely to thrive in the wild.  The behaviors of foraging/hunting are learned behaviors, behaviors captivity of course suppresses. 

An animal bred in captivity had better STAY in captivity, or it will die--and die a cruel death of starvation.

Your brand of compassion kills.


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RE: POLLYamory - 5/15/2008 1:18:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bred in captivity makes no difference to the evil of it to me is what I said.

Why just read the first line and fill in the blanks assuming things I never said? Where did I say an animal bred in captivity could survive in the wild, in fact didn't I even say you are creating dependency? If a bird has had the misfortune of being bred by humans it should go to a wildlife sanctuary I also said that.

If you are going to fly off on one just because you don't agree with me do yourself a favour and dispute things I actually said.

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