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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 5:41:55 AM

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If you are saying that you think the republicans are gonna win back congress, I am amazed. That is the only way they could cripple a president. They can make it difficult but thats about it right now.
As for Hillary's relationship in DC, she doesn't have the ability to get reps to do anything. They loathe her. While I think even trying to cripple a president for because you are from a different party should be criminal, that is what both parties will do. And don't forget that Hillary will find a few Dems against her in Congress too. The woman has burned a lot of bridges not built a lot of them.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:03:26 AM

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I think we have the right guy. The question is, will superior character triumph over America's inherent racsism? Or will George Bush continue to run the US into the ground via a proxy third term?

i think calling McCain a Bush proxy is a bit over the top. If anything not too long ago, he was the anti-Bush, as far as the RNC was concerned. Sometimes i think Dems forget how close McCain was to being "ex-communicated" from his own party.

i keep hoping we see the "old" McCain when he's done courting the Bush republicans.

i think it's reasonable to allow some politics as usual from either of the major parties. Isn't that how the game is played? Rich people start bringing up their blue collar roots to seem approachable...People whose children have never seen the inside of a public school(and i'm not judging them, mine are private schooled) start talking about what "we" need to do in "our" schools...people whose only contact with a person of color on a daily basis is their golf caddy, gardener, and housekeeper, start showing up eveywhere with dark faces on a stage...it's part of the game politico. It's the reason i registered Independent...but all that being said, McCain was pretty close to coming over to my party not too long ago, so Bush proxy, i think not.

*umm wtf is up with the paragraph spacer today??? it's like a freakin' e.e. cummings book over here!!!

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:04:06 AM

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As more people vote a third party, it does show the politicians in power that more people are sick of the division caused by the two party system, and that the people are getting sick of business as usual polticics. It is not wasting your vote.

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It is a shame that my vote won't be counted. I certainly won't vote for Obama, the windbag, nor can I, in good conscience vote for McCain. I am almost certain to vote for someone else who cannot win, hence giving my vote away. Personally, I wish the media would leave their opinions out of it, & just report raw facts without their endless editorials that hurt the democratic process.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:07:10 AM

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That is not the point of my OP. The point is, she has lost and needs to give it up. The DNC has likely warned her to stop the attacks on Obama. Obama has even stepped forward to offer assistance in taking her campaign debt.

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I think Obama may win, but I don't think he can lead. The day after the election when the Republican attack machine swings into action & the G.O.P. monolith in Congress opposes every initiative I think Barak will be paralyzed. I think Sen Clinton has the experience & the relationships in D.C. after nearly 20 years there to move the country along.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:16:54 AM

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I think, once we get into the general election, McCain will have something far more difficult to overcome, than Obama does with his "reverend Wright problem": McCain will have to prove that he WON'T be another George W. Bush.

So far, he hasn't done much to distance himself from President "Junior." With statements like "We'll stay in Iran for 100 years, if we have to." Isn't winning him any support from war weary Americans. Add to this the emptied treasury, and three supreme court justicies ready to retire, (thus potentially shifting the balance of power in that branch of the government for generations to come) McCain's campagin for the white house is going to start looking like the myth of Sisyphus.

In and of himself, McCain is an okay guy. Of all the republican evils out there, he's one of the lesser ones. But lately, the "straight talk express" has been on a curvy mountain road. I just can't stomach the pro-torture, pro-wiretapping, pro-lies out-their-asses attitude of the GOP anymore.

Personally, I'm looking forward to an administration in the white house that can hold a press conference and actually speak in complete sentances. I'd like an administration that doesn't corral dissenters into "free speech zones" like inmates at Dachau. I'd like an administration that doesn't sit around discussing what the best way to torture people is.
I'd like an administration that hires people who are qualified (not just horse trader friends) for the jobs they hold, and that will actually show the fuck up when there's an emergency.
I'd like an administration that actually READS the FUCKING intelligence briefing, warning of Bin Lieden planning to use aircraft in attacks on American soil. I want a President who doesn't sit in the classroom for seven and a half minutes, staring into space, while the US is being attacked. (Again, I point out, at the time, no one knew the extent of the attack.. for all we knew, the planes crashing into the WTC were a distraction while bargain basement nukes were being delivered elsewhere.) And Bush JUST SAT THERE!

I want a real President, thank you. Not this cruel joke on America that has sat there for the last seven and a half years.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:43:47 AM

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LOL, like anyone who agrees with anything bushlike is electable in any capacity.

So, Hillary runs vice president, that could happen.........if Obama wins, (there aint no contention between him and ANY republican candidate, unless you want to haul Ronnie Rottencrotch around till he stinks) and the nigger will get it inside of his first 100 days in office, and Hillary is prez.

Oh, Obama, we hardly knew ye.

Realistically,

Ron, then we'd need to check the knife in Obama's back for Clinton fingerprints.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:46:54 AM

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I agree with cyberdude simply beacuse Obama refuses to cover his hand over his heart in respect to the American Flag.
Now, that my friends, should be an eye opener.

Not true.
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

Yeah, it'd be nice if that kind of crap would cease being drug out.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:49:24 AM

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  I think we have the right guy. The question is, will superior character triumph over America's inherent racsism? Or will George Bush continue to run the US into the ground via a proxy third term?

     i think calling McCain a Bush proxy is a bit over the top. If anything not too long ago, he was the anti-Bush, as far as the RNC was concerned. Sometimes i think Dems forget how close McCain was to being "ex-communicated" from his own party.
i keep hoping we see the "old" McCain when he's done courting the Bush republicans.
   i think it's reasonable to allow some politics as usual from either of the major parties. Isn't that how the game is played? Rich people start bringing up their blue collar roots to seem approachable...People whose children have never seen the inside of a public school(and i'm not judging them, mine are private schooled) start talking about what "we" need to do in "our" schools...people whose only contact with a person of color on a daily basis is their golf caddy, gardener, and housekeeper, start showing up eveywhere with dark faces on a stage...it's part of the game politico. It's the reason i registered Independent...but all that being said, McCain was pretty close to coming over to my party not too long ago, so Bush proxy, i think not.
*umm wtf is up with the paragraph spacer today??? it's like a freakin' e.e. cummings book over here!!!

*laughing*

By the way, e.e., I agree with your points on McCain.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:54:53 AM

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Serious can people have someone with the middle name Rod'em leading their country I ask you?

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:54:57 AM

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I don't know but I do know that I'm not voting for her nor Obama. I do not like their stand on abortion, gay rights or same sex marriages. I'll vote third party as I have for many years now. No candidate running so far has met my requirements to get my vote. I keep hoping for a black (or other ethnic group), lesbian, pagan to run.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:55:49 AM

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Personally, I'm looking forward to an administration in the white house that can hold a press conference and actually speak in complete sentances. I'd like an administration that doesn't corral dissenters into "free speech zones" like inmates at Dachau. I'd like an administration that doesn't sit around discussing what the best way to torture people is.
I'd like an administration that hires people who are qualified (not just horse trader friends) for the jobs they hold, and that will actually show the fuck up when there's an emergency.
I'd like an administration that actually READS the FUCKING intelligence briefing, warning of Bin Lieden planning to use aircraft in attacks on American soil.

And which of the candidates has put on the record their specific plan and intention to reverse any of the above?

No matter who wins the election, they will continue the war, the Patriot Act, Don't Ask Don't Tell, end runs around the Constitution, subsidies to the mega-corps, corruption, and cronyism et al. because none of them want to be rid of those things, they only criticize them to demonize their opponents.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 6:56:19 AM

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Why?

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I keep hoping for a black (or other ethnic group), lesbian, pagan to run.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 7:38:24 AM

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I think 2012 is going to be a bloodbath for the Democratic party if Obama wins in November. The policies of the Democrats do not support the things needed to move this country in a better direction. They are advocating more and more spending. They want Universal Healthcare. They want wide open borders and no control at all on illegal immigration. They want to allow the mid-east to plummit into civil war. Obama has absolutely no intention of balancing the budget. And he has no intention of trying to fix our massive trade deficit. He wants to raise taxes including taxes that WILL effect the middle class (ie: capital gains tax).

Not to mention every enemy of the US is going to make a fool of Obama just like they made a fool of Jimmy Carter. You think Obama is going to bring peace to the mid-east? You think Israel or Hamas gives a god damn what he is going to say? And you think Iran is somehow going to stop their development of nuclear weapons? In fact, these terrorist organizations and regimes are rooting for Obama to win because they know he won't interfere in their operations.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 7:47:00 AM

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You think Obama is going to bring peace to the mid-east?

Well, McCain won't, and Hillary won't...... really, no one will, except those living there.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 8:01:32 AM

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I agree, and I still maintain hope that sometime in the future, a candidate will step forward because they feel it is their responsibility, and not because they wish to gain something from it. Our founding fathers, and how this country was built, was not with politicians as we see them today, but with community leaders stepping forward and accept the responsibility.

It will take the American people to do this though, but with all this cheerleading from both sides going on, I do not believe many of them will realize it, until the game is over and they discover that the scoreboard is irrelevant.

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber
Personally, I'm looking forward to an administration in the white house that can hold a press conference and actually speak in complete sentances. I'd like an administration that doesn't corral dissenters into "free speech zones" like inmates at Dachau. I'd like an administration that doesn't sit around discussing what the best way to torture people is.
I'd like an administration that hires people who are qualified (not just horse trader friends) for the jobs they hold, and that will actually show the fuck up when there's an emergency.
I'd like an administration that actually READS the FUCKING intelligence briefing, warning of Bin Lieden planning to use aircraft in attacks on American soil.

And which of the candidates has put on the record their specific plan and intention to reverse any of the above?

No matter who wins the election, they will continue the war, the Patriot Act, Don't Ask Don't Tell, end runs around the Constitution, subsidies to the mega-corps, corruption, and cronyism et al. because none of them want to be rid of those things, they only criticize them to demonize their opponents.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 8:03:00 AM

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Level you are absolutely correct. Obama has even said he will increase spending into the military to replace worn out equipment and make sure our soldiers have the very best. Why do that unless you see where it will need to be used. Have another topic I will post soon on that though.

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You think Obama is going to bring peace to the mid-east?

Well, McCain won't, and Hillary won't...... really, no one will, except those living there.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 8:13:01 AM

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You think Obama is going to bring peace to the mid-east?

Well, McCain won't, and Hillary won't...... really, no one will, except those living there.

Did I say they would? No. I believe peace in that region has about the same chance as a snowball's chance in hell. There wont be peace in that region for 50 years in my opinion.
But many of these Obama supporters think Obama's going to shock everyone with his great gift to communicate and everyone over there is going to listen to him and fall in love with him.

How many world leaders and US presidents have tried to solve the Israeli-Palestinian crisis only to have it blow up in their faces? Remember Bill Clinton spent practically his entire 2nd term trying to solve that crisis. And he got absolutely nowhere.

There is not going to be any change in the mid-east. And there will not be any change in our mid-east policy. Strategy may change, but we are not going to leave Iraq. We are not going to leave the Saudis unprotected. That's just not going to happen.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 8:17:24 AM

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Cyberdude, it is more than just the Saudis that we are trying to protect. Policy will have to change soon, because the money will run out soon. It happened to the USSR, and if you look at the US position we are in a very similar situation.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 8:27:32 AM

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And people say Billary is not in it for herself:

"Clinton advisers say that attacks on Obama are no longer enough to change the momentum or outcome of the nomination race. Continued attacks on him, at this point, would probably inflict more long-term harm on Clinton than on Obama, her advisers said."

http://www.mercurynews.com/nationworld/ci_9216250

The attacks are stopping because it will hurt her more, not whether it will hurt the Democratic party or not.

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RE: So how are the Hillary folks feeling now? - 5/10/2008 9:26:02 AM

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I want a President who doesn't sit in the classroom for seven and a half minutes, staring into space, while the US is being attacked. (Again, I point out, at the time, no one knew the extent of the attack.. for all we knew, the planes crashing into the WTC were a distraction while bargain basement nukes were being delivered elsewhere.) And Bush JUST SAT THERE!

What should he have done screamed "OH MY FUCKING GOD! WERE AT WAR!!!!!!!!" Stuck his finger in his ass and ran around the classroom in circles screaming "DUCK AND COVER KIDS WERE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! OMG! OMG!!"????

The President reacted ENTIRELY appropriately. He remained calm and composed until the Secret Service was ready to evacuate him. Remmeber, his exit was not planned at that time and the threat level had to be elevated. Hallways had to be cleared, egress routes cleared, rooftops checked and reported clear, vehicles moved into place, a police helicopter pickup arranged in a nearby park (whiuch also had to be secured) Air Force one preflighted and spooled up ahead of schedule etc....

I have no doubt that the secret service said "Mr President, there has been an incident. We are preparing to move you right away. ETA five to ten minutes until we get things in place for the egress." Remember - they had him in a secure place, in a controlled environment, so it was safer to keep him there than to run out into the streets to try to hail a cab. Even more likely than the "bargain basement nukes" was the sniper across the street waiting for the President to come out....

I swear to God some people will criticize Bush no matter what he does. HE doesnt decide when and how to move the US Secret Service does....

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