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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 11:22:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems like they are truly financing themselfs without assistance. Which is something to be admired.
However, having looked at the family website, I have to say that I feel a bit sorry for the children. Their day seems not to include much trime for fun.

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 11:28:00 AM   
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The kids are all home schooled. So mom has to keep the house and hold school as well as care for the littlest ones. Even with the older kids helping out does this sound like a desirable situtation for these kids?


but mom doesn't keep the house. As per the last DIscovery show on them...each older child had a younger one to care for...bathe, dress..etc. And the kids take breaks throughout the day for the funfilled thrill of tidying up. Plus they each have their assignments.
Not mentioned in the article is that Jim Bob has church services in their home every Sunday. Isn't there a large tax break involved with this?


So the kids work full time to keep up the house and raise the smaller kids. Once again, is this a desirable situation for these kids?

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 12:56:52 PM   
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The Duggars' oldest child, Josh, is 20, and the youngest, Jennifer, is nine months old.


Their youngest child is nine months old and the mother is ready to give birth again?  Damn, these people don’t waste time, do they? No sooner had she given birth to the last one than hubby must have climbed on top of her and started banging away.

"Excuse me, Doc, you’re in my way. Could you step aside please?"

Personally, I have nothing against large families but that many children isn’t a large family – it’s an attempt to start your own nation. Still, if they’re not sucking off the rest of us, then who am I to get all pissy about how they live their lives?

On the "is this good for the kids?" front. I did see one of the specials on the family and those kids seemed perfectly happy to me. Their lives were not 24/7 drudgery and there is nothing wrong with making the kids – in any sized family – help out with the chores. On the contrary, it teaches them good work habits that will serve them well in later life.

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 1:05:06 PM   
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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 1:06:38 PM   
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On the "is this good for the kids?" front. I did see one of the specials on the family and those kids seemed perfectly happy to me. Their lives were not 24/7 drudgery and there is nothing wrong with making the kids – in any sized family – help out with the chores. On the contrary, it teaches them good work habits that will serve them well in later life.


Well put. It probably teaches them other responsibilities and co-operation as well.



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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 1:12:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not saying kids shouldn't have chores. What I'm saying is with the size of the family and therefore the size of the house and the amount that needs to be done I'm having more than a little trouble buying into the kids getting homeschooled while simultaneously caring for the younger kids, with mom pregnant more than half the time since the eldest was born, and doing their other chores. Think about 16 or 17 kids at home plus two adults, that's 6 to 8 loads of laundry a day, roughly 50 meals a day to prepare, serve and cleanup, a 7000 square foot house to clean, who knows how many diapers to change, babies to soothe, toddlers to keep track of and all the school age kids still need to be taught by mom for some significant part of every day in a variety of subjects at a variety of different grade levels. Where do you think the slippage will be and is that fair to these kids?

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 1:14:33 PM   
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The kids are all home schooled. So mom has to keep the house and hold school as well as care for the littlest ones. Even with the older kids helping out does this sound like a desirable situtation for these kids?


but mom doesn't keep the house. As per the last DIscovery show on them...each older child had a younger one to care for...bathe, dress..etc. And the kids take breaks throughout the day for the funfilled thrill of tidying up. Plus they each have their assignments.
Not mentioned in the article is that Jim Bob has church services in their home every Sunday. Isn't there a large tax break involved with this?


So the kids work full time to keep up the house and raise the smaller kids. Once again, is this a desirable situation for these kids?


i didn't say that. What i meant was the mom is not pulling her hair out getting a bunch of lil ones ready in the morning. Nor does she spend all her time cooking and cleaning...those jobs are assigned to the kids.


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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 1:21:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think giving all the kids names beginning with J is the real cruelty. And why don't the kids  have the mum's initial? She's doing all the work.

A friend of mine was subjected to that bit of Daddy vanity. His father used it as an excuse for opening my buddy's mail. So my buddy started using his middle name.


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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 1:23:17 PM   
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I think giving all the kids names beginning with J is the real cruelty.


I thought it was showing gross lack of originality.


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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 1:28:07 PM   
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It seems like they are truly financing themselfs without assistance. Which is something to be admired.



Not necessarily.  Maybe they aren't on public assistance.  How much money do you get for doing a show?  Marketing.
Among other things doesn't make it sound like that healthy of a household for a child to grow up in.

As far as the buckeyes go....paraffin...to eat?  I don't know I don't like eating foods that give me a waxy feeling in my mouth.

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 3:18:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do in no way believe that is is a good environment to grow up in. It was just meant as an "At least...".

As for those recipes? I hope they do not present the normal choice of meals. Healthy food this is mostly not.

I have no problems with kids being given chores. In fact, I do advocate and practise it. But I question if a healthy balance between chores and being a child/teen is present.

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 3:26:00 PM   
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As for those recipes? I hope they do not present the normal choice of meals. Healthy food this is mostly not.




Those recipes remind me of my moms cooking.  Everything in one pot.  To this day I hate casseroles.

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 4:05:30 PM   
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I'm not saying kids shouldn't have chores. What I'm saying is with the size of the family and therefore the size of the house and the amount that needs to be done I'm having more than a little trouble buying into the kids getting homeschooled while simultaneously caring for the younger kids, with mom pregnant more than half the time since the eldest was born, and doing their other chores. Think about 16 or 17 kids at home plus two adults, that's 6 to 8 loads of laundry a day, roughly 50 meals a day to prepare, serve and cleanup, a 7000 square foot house to clean, who knows how many diapers to change, babies to soothe, toddlers to keep track of and all the school age kids still need to be taught by mom for some significant part of every day in a variety of subjects at a variety of different grade levels. Where do you think the slippage will be and is that fair to these kids?


Older siblings have been helping to care for younger siblings since the dawn of humanity and with this family that just seems to be part of the overall package of everyone chipping in to help. It’s been a while since I saw that program but from what I remember they were quite efficient at it and the kids (older and younger) still had time to play and engage in other activities like sports, etc. Yes, there may be a lot of work to do but there are a lot of people to do the work, so the balance between work and play seems to work out more or less the same as in smaller families.

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 6:33:28 PM   
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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 6:54:22 PM   
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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 7:19:29 PM   
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I wonder if anyone ever invites their family over for dinner?


I wouldn't be able to afford the food it would take to feed them one meal!


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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 7:22:29 PM   
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I wonder if anyone ever invites their family over for dinner?


I wouldn't be able to afford the food it would take to feed them one meal!



 And can you imagine what the reaction is when they approach a buffet?

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 7:44:23 PM   
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I'm not saying kids shouldn't have chores. What I'm saying is with the size of the family and therefore the size of the house and the amount that needs to be done I'm having more than a little trouble buying into the kids getting homeschooled while simultaneously caring for the younger kids, with mom pregnant more than half the time since the eldest was born, and doing their other chores. Think about 16 or 17 kids at home plus two adults, that's 6 to 8 loads of laundry a day, roughly 50 meals a day to prepare, serve and cleanup, a 7000 square foot house to clean, who knows how many diapers to change, babies to soothe, toddlers to keep track of and all the school age kids still need to be taught by mom for some significant part of every day in a variety of subjects at a variety of different grade levels. Where do you think the slippage will be and is that fair to these kids?



         Think this one through, Ken.  The educational environment can be constant throughout the day.  The teacher (with her gaggle of TA's) doesn't have to waste a significant percentage of the day dealing with discipline, or students who don't speak the language.  No parent/teacher conferences, or sensitivity training either.  The insulated nature of the social development might create some difficulties for them down the road, unless Daddy is willing to make sure they attend a decent college.

         As for chores and responsibilities, I'm the oldest of a big family (nowhere near that big) myself.  Folding a few baskets of laundry while watching Gilligan's Island and The Brady Bunch was just the normal routine.  Coming home from school and cooking dinner for eight?  Is it Monday, or Thursday?  Some people would think these are very important skills and attitudes to pass to their offspring.

        

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 7:47:32 PM   
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I wonder if anyone ever invites their family over for dinner?


I wouldn't be able to afford the food it would take to feed them one meal!




       Spaghetti.  Maybe hot dogs off the grill.  Paper plates, either way.

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RE: Taking Mother's Day too seriously! - 5/9/2008 7:58:37 PM   
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