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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 10:15:05 AM

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I look at obituaries. This valley- people live long. someone under 75, is thought to have been too young too die

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 10:20:22 AM

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if my parents brought me to usa instead of canada...can you imagine how many hundreds of thousands they would owe for health care. for all of my open heart surgeries that i had (5) before age 14!!!! even if they had some insurance it certainly wouldnt cover all of it. they'd still owe thousands. and while paying one off i would have had another surgery..which adds more debt..etc. not to mention my epileptic brother (major epileptic..not a minor case of it). hospital bills=huge.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 10:42:44 AM

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Likely as not they would have had to file either bankrupcy or medical bankrupsy, and yes that's a tough thing. However it's also possible that you would have been at St Jude's or a Shriners Hospital or one of the many childrens hospritals run by charitable groups who provide many times for those unable to pay.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 10:53:17 AM

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Likely as not they would have had to file either bankrupcy or medical bankrupsy, and yes that's a tough thing. However it's also possible that you would have been at St Jude's or a Shriners Hospital or one of the many childrens hospritals run by charitable groups who provide many times for those unable to pay.

well..my parents are from sweden and france so they are used to top quality health care free of charge...and canada has top quality health care especially with congenital heart diseases...at world famous sick kids in toronto.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:06:34 AM

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Aside from all of the other health habits of people, Medicare does not pay for doctor's fees. I took care of my father and he was very fortunate that his primary health insurance was excellent. Consequently, more doctors have to see quite a few patients. I used to work at a medical facility and all of these doctors see an average of 35 patients per day! Sometimes, that also made me wonder as to how much care a patient gets with his or her doctor when that medical professional is overworked.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:10:22 AM

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average of 35 patients per day!

is that all? family dr's around here see 50+ (atleast)

they often have to leave late because they are behind and you often have to wait over an hour just to see your dr. canada is low on family dr's. so they're over booked. afterall its free...so parents with children who have a cough..are like oop gotta go to the dr. oop my kid sneezed..gotta go to the dr...

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:17:21 AM

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Never really free though a misnomer for sure. Comes due in the tax bills.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:22:39 AM

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Never really free though a misnomer for sure. Comes due in the tax bills.

unless you are like me (disabled). ive never had a dr bill in my life. never had a drug bill (unless its an elective drug like a sleep pill). in usa how much does it cost you just to go see the family dr? what like $75? (according to what someone told me)

i dont pay taxes since im disabled..but i still have to report my income since i pay rent. from that..i get a refund of about $300 per year...we also have gst and pst. which total to i think 13% on products we buy. we get gst back if your income is low enough.
i get $79 x 4 for gst. we dont get pst back.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:32:54 AM

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But free to you means someone elses taxes are higher, so to call it free ignores the fact that it's free to you but someone else pays for it. Not saying it's a terrible thing, just that to call it free instead of tax supported denegrates those who have worked to pay for it for you.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:37:42 AM

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But free to you means someone elses taxes are higher, so to call it free ignores the fact that it's free to you but someone else pays for it. Not saying it's a terrible thing, just that to call it free instead of tax supported denegrates those who have worked to pay for it for you.

cept that its universal health care...free for everyone regardless if you work or not. the insurance they pay at work is for drugs and dentists and elective surgical procedures that some insurance companies cover. our health care is called ohip (in our province it means ontario health insurance plan) that anyone who is a citizen gets.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:41:30 AM

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The people who work and have paid taxes are paying for it.
The government pays for it with TAX money.
It's not free unless nobody has to pay for it including indirectly.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:48:54 AM

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BTW I'm not saying I'm against paying for the healthcare for folks who can't work, I'm mearly pointing out that if one is being covered by virtue of the fact that someone else is paying for it, they should at the very least acknowledge the fact, that it's not free but rather their costs have been transfered to someone elses work.

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/25/2008 11:52:00 AM

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The people who work and have paid taxes are paying for it.
The government pays for it with TAX money.
It's not free unless nobody has to pay for it including indirectly.

Yup, no such thing as a "free" lunch.
Someone pays for it.
I have no problem with a nationalised healthcare program payed for through our taxes.
Our govt. is pissing our money away now on things like Iraq, "foreign aid", military bases all over the place, I'd rather see that money spent directly on The People.
If we're paying for it through our taxes it's not "socialised medicine."

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/26/2008 7:35:30 AM

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In this corner of southwest Virginia, cow-speckled fields and empty downtown streets tell of a slower, calmer life. It's a place where older men can be found around a table every morning drinking 25-cent coffee with the nearest Starbucks miles away. Residents will tell you little distinguishes the city of Radford and neighboring Pulaski County from elsewhere in rural America. That is what troubles health-care workers here most about a new study that found a sharp drop in life expectancy for women in the two communities.

According to the study, life expectancy for women dropped in nearly 1,000 counties but fell most in Radford and Pulaski. In 1983, life expectancy for women in the two jurisdictions was about 84 years. By 1999, it had dropped 5.8 years, to 78. No other jurisdiction in the nation had a decrease of more than 3.3 years.

Experts say they don't know why Radford and Pulaski stick out, but the study found life expectancy for women stagnant or falling in several other places in southern and southwestern Virginia.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24320245

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RE: Life expectancy decling in some parts of America - 4/26/2008 7:52:27 AM

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The people who work and have paid taxes are paying for it.
The government pays for it with TAX money.
It's not free unless nobody has to pay for it including indirectly.

Some people might be against their taxes going to pay for other people's healthcare but equally some people might be against their taxes paying for a war someone else wants and they don't.

I know of the two, I would prefer to pay for someone else's healthcare than someone elses war, especially since the only people that benefot from war are the rich.

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