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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/8/2008 7:19:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Higher levels of insecurity and arrogance perhaps.

But overall,very poor at maintaining anything relationship wise for very long. I think it has something to do with a prevalence of nervous disorders that make this attractive to begin with.

You can be superficially witty-and totally lack common sense and the ability to keep your focus on track. I don't think of that as being "superior".

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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/8/2008 10:52:15 PM   
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As far as the newbie frenzy, smart people can be subject to it, too. It doesn’t hurt for them to read things here. These threads have provided some valuable info and explained misconceptions for many. Thinking about it, the smarter newbie probably tends to read here more.

Once you figure out how to weed out the good posts and use a little common sense (which may also be a part of intelligence), yes!  There is a TON of useful information here to be sure.

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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/8/2008 11:01:19 PM   
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why do we feel the need to act as though folks new to the lifestyle are twits?


We are raised to disdain those who do not share our "common" knowledge. We, as children, are taught to laugh at the one who asks the "stupid questions". Since other adolescent level behavior continues in adults, I see why it's not surprise that this does, too.

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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/8/2008 11:24:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Intelligence DOESNT = common sense, in fact many of the smartest people I know have verry little common sense, dunno why its just the way it works. Also Intelligence is very subjective, someone I consider a genius you may consider an idiot. I think that for some people involved in D/s there is a definate trend of being more self aware however I have met some very stupid people involved in the scene too so I dont think that this fact is true anyway. 

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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 12:20:59 AM   
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( the  mcdonalds visitors propably think on their forum also they are smarter then burgerking visitors)
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posting on a forum and sharing thoughts..willing to listen..to me is a certain degree of intellengence...
but if you propably noticed also there is just a few of us compared to the "profiles"part of this website.
On average we are just like all others......same intellegence. The image might be blurred, because many know soemthing about the lifestyle. And because this is a lifestyle forum, you raise above the new people. Doesn't say anything about our real level of competence in other cases.
We might just rule in one subject.



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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 9:25:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

No, I'm not making this particular claim, though I've seen it posted as an opinion time and time again.  Many do assume it to be fact.  Since there is no way to prove or disprove the theory, I'll just go with the bit that the subject has come up in more than one venue, so there are some people who obviously believe it.


I think it is true that BDSM practitioners, on average, are more intelligent than average. The explanation is that more intelligence equals more curiosity, and less prejudice. Ergo, one with kinky tendacies and intelligence is more likely to seek out answers than one who lacks intelligence. This does not mean, by extension, that intelligence means kink, or vice versa.

Also of note: in my experience, "above average" does not necessarilly mean "not stupid." I'd go so far as to say the average person is, based on election results, the mortgage collapse, forwarded emails, Nigerian scams, my morning commute, pyramid schemes (read: Social Security), popular TV/movies/music etc ad nauseum, a complete imbecile. Being slightly smarter than an imbecile does not put one in the running for a Nobel prize.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

The question is, if we believe this to be true, that people involved in BDSM are of generally higher intelligence, why do we feel the need to act as though folks new to the lifestyle are twits?  It isn't the intelligence level that changes over the course of time, rather a person's experience level.  While people may become more educated in certain areas as they gain experience, their basic level of intelligence doesn't change.



Yes, exactly. However, it is difficult for many people to distiguish ignorance from stupidity. In popular culture, the two terms are used interchangibly.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not talking about skill, experience, or any other attribute that comes with time with wiitwd.  I'm wondering why it is that, at times, new people are subjected to others thinking they have little in the areas of street smarts, or common sense



Insecurity can cause one to seek self-aggrandizement via diminishing others. I am aware of the inherent irony of the juxtaposition of this sentiment with my first point in this post.

On the other hand, throughout the Web there is an ethic that promote the use of the powerful tools available to anyone to help themselves before asking for help. Most of the scorned posters have asked questions they could have answered themselves in a minute's time.

On another forum, dedicated to audio recording techniques and equipment, there is a plague of new poster registering, and asking how to duplicate professional recordings on absurdly small budgets. One day, there were literally five threads on the front page asking "What is the Best Vocal Mic for Under $100?" except in hastily mis-spelled IM gibberish. The replies were superficially unhelpful, but upon further examination, said exactly what the poster needed (albeit not what he wanted): go do some reading.


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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 10:48:47 AM   
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Look at the questions we get on the board all day long.  THAT is why some of us think that there are those among us, some new, some not, who ARE twits.


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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 10:54:19 AM   
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at least it keep us busy and makes us smile.
we are just like every other "group". Some are smart, some not. But you can learn from both.

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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 11:08:31 AM   
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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 11:40:49 AM   
lanie38


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Status: offline 		Why anyone would think being kinky somehow *develops* the brain is beyond me...and book smarts intelligence does not necessarily equate to being *bright* .

Some people certainly make the attempt at using their big words and proper grammar but the content is still a little dim...

But that being said, the varying intelligence in this group is no different than any other...



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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 12:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		What with it and the IQ anyway?
IQ is a culture bound system.
take me: qualified up the Wazoo but I couldn't survive on a desert island, climb a rock face, swim the English channel, dislodge a coconut and half it at a crack, build a log cabin or an igloo: or make alcohol from rice at altitude, save a life on an operating table or rub two boy scouts together to make fire.....(well, yes, probably that). I can germinate and give birth to a whole new human being inside of me with a little help from a sperm bank but there's a heap of stuff I don't know how to do....
Indeed holding onto a body of knowledge as if it's really worth something is something I find irritating in others and I dare say they find irritating in me.
I don't really actually consider my kink is anything special; it's just natural to me. Instinct. It's like my extreme empathic qualities: comes from being a multiple and is innate but not special. When I'm into serving and submitting it seems like everything but once I am out of the dynamic then there's far far more interesting stuff going on in the world around me.
I have really considered whether it makes that much of a difference that I'm twisted. I mean it doesn't decrease carbon foot printing for example.......
all my assumed intelligence has taght me is to be vociferous and believe I can communicate better than my assumptions about the average level of communication. And help others as a vocation.....is that enough though I always ask myself.
Maybe one day I will make a dominant extremely happy and he'll admit it.....get out the violins.


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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 2:03:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, personally, I don't eat coconut, and I highly disbelieve My supposed abandonment on Gilligan's Isle.

That being said, there are other factors to include.  That being, for it's own merit that people in the lifestyle can afford the best toys.  They have the throw away money to attend certain events, much of which cost the same as a small vacation.  If they do not have the higher intelligence, education, and opportunities to do so, how does this happen?


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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 8:46:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

No, I'm not making this particular claim, though I've seen it posted as an opinion time and time again.  Many do assume it to be fact.  Since there is no way to prove or disprove the theory, I'll just go with the bit that the subject has come up in more than one venue, so there are some people who obviously believe it.





Hello LadyPact. You are right in saying there is no way to prove or disprove ''higher'' intelligence and that some people ''believe'' it is actually a fact.

It is not a fact, it is not even theory. It is totally this ''superior-inferior'' thingie we have going on here from time to time. Some people like this (some don't) because they need this as a justification for their own attitudes towards the unexperienced.

Not exactly what I find to be a superiour quality in an intelligent human being.

In this forum exist all the justifications for one to make the case for the opposite. But It does not make it so, does it not?

Would one say that the majority of recent Nobel prizes go to scientists who are in the lifestyle? More than half? The vanilla ones are less intelligent?... or must we conlude that all of them must be into BDSM? How many lifestylers really ''believe'' this? After all, there is no way to disprove that scientists are not a kinky lot. It's all belief (fantasy), not a fact. RL.

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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 9:12:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Ok, personally, I don't eat coconut, and I highly disbelieve My supposed abandonment on Gilligan's Isle.

That being said, there are other factors to include. That being, for it's own merit that people in the lifestyle can afford the best toys. They have the throw away money to attend certain events, much of which cost the same as a small vacation. If they do not have the higher intelligence, education, and opportunities to do so, how does this happen?



I'm with the folks expressing doubt around this idea of equating being in the life with higher intelligence.

As far as ability to afford toys and equipment, some people have higher-paying jobs that afford them that luxury, doesn't mean they're any more intelligent than anyone else. Higher-paying doesn't necessarily mean they hold higher level degrees or white collar jobs and such...and those of us who do have higher degrees don't necessarily make more money than those with a high school diploma...it all depends. Some people are given toys by other people, or get toys half-price or at flea markets or even, "moving away sales." I'm far from wealthy and that's how I got a couple of really nice leather paddles, a leather flogger, a spreader bar and a crop...all I did was answer an ad...not that I'm not smart, mind you, but how much intelligence does it take to answer an ad? I also managed to get a hand spa, for some wax play, totally FREE from one of the freecycle boards I'm on...again, I have no high-powered, high income job, but I've been able to get really nice toys, fairly inexpensively just by looking around and asking for what I'd like. I also got some clover (tit) clamps cheaply from a sewing catalogue...and I've made a couple of toys for CBT play, using stuff I have around the house. I'd say I'm resourceful, but more intelligent or wealthier than my vanilla counterparts, nah...Oh an as a far as attending events, there's ways to do that cheaply, too...get discounted air fares, share hotel rooms with others going, and volunteer your time at the event...you can often get in totally free, if you donate enough time. Also, I helped out a vendor friend of mine recently and got to attend a couple of events free at the Boston Burleque, and my friend paid for the room...I'm just illustrating that not everybody pays full price for the various things we buy and do in the life...

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RE: People in the lifestyle = higher intelligence - 4/9/2008 9:36:56 PM   
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I'm not talking about skill, experience, or any other attribute that comes with time with wiitwd.  I'm wondering why it is that, at times, new people are subjected to others thinking they have little in the areas of street smarts, or common sense



Of course we are smarter than the average bear.

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