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Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 10:04:48 AM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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Status: offline 		I’m curious as to if any Dominant has instructed their subs/slaves to vote a certain way in political elections. Have you ever been told to vote a certain way by a Dominant? It just occurred to me this could be quite useful in a poly household situation to have effectively a voting block. Where do you draw the line in that respect; it could be easily argued the Dominant is taking responsibility for the subs/slaves future lives so why not their politics as part of that? Does this happen in reality and do you consider it ethical?

Thanks for any participation in this topic I shall read it with interest, unless it's been done already in which case links would be appreciated.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 10:20:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hehe, interesting topic.

No, I don't tell him which way to vote - he's a smart, politically engaged man and  I respect his individual decisions, but ultimately, if someone identifies as 'slave', I wouldn't have any problem with their Master/Mistress telling them which way to vote.

I could certainly see myself insisting that he DID vote - people who don't vote don't get the right to bitch about the running of the country, in my view.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 10:50:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't tell her how to vote, wouldn't even necessarily make her vote; but if she didn't, she'd have to have a good reason.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 11:16:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		nope Daddy hasn't even though knowing where (and to whom) He has donated money to the presidential campaign. i don't know about anyone else but His dominance doesn't influence my personal opinion/choice when it comes to politics and voting.  on the flipside, i don't care which political party my pet supports and/or whom he picks for president as long he votes.

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I could certainly see myself insisting that he DID vote - people who don't vote don't get the right to bitch about the running of the country, in my view.

i agree!

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 12:02:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of us don't get together with people who think 180 degrees apart politically. I'm a liberal, my religious and moral beliefs all come together there. A conservative couldn't order me to vote his way because I wouldn't respect any conservative enough to get into a relationship with one.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 12:26:25 PM   
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I’m curious as to if any Dominant has instructed their subs/slaves to vote a certain way in political elections. 



Good question.

I'd be struggling with a fascist voting BNP.

A conservative? Conservatism is not without its merits; on balance, however, I'm in the liberal camp.

I'd offer both arguments and leave her to make her choice. If she votes conservative, I wouldn't have an issue with that; if she votes BNP, it would be a fair indication that we're not compatible.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 12:52:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was a rather involved discussion on this  topic a few months ago that you might be interested in reading:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1524399/mpage_1/tm.htm

My answer is I would do what he tells me to do.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 1:33:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've answered this question before, but I'll say again, I can't imagine Firm outright telling me who to vote for, but he does indirectly by how he influences me.

Here's a link to the mentioned thread that discusses voting.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 1:40:40 PM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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Status: offline 		See I knew there were no new topics thanks for pointing it out to me ownedgirlie and TreasureKY, I’ll read through them. I did do a search but putting in search criteria such as 'voting' and 'politics' lead to loads of irrelevant results.

To all that participated thanks, I kind of suspected it would go the way it did in terms of people saying they respected their sub/slaves individuality regarding their politics. Someone also mentioned that they would expect to share the same politics as the people they are with, which is also a good point, unless you believe in the opposites attract stuff. How many Dominant’s can live with their subs/slave nullifying their own vote I suppose I was asking?

Apathy can also be a problem and it could be temping to mobilise a set of voters if you found your future lifestyle at threat through the politics of one candidate or other.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 1:44:21 PM   
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How many Dominant’s can live with their subs/slave nullifying their own vote I suppose I was asking?


He has always allowed me to vote as I wish.  Whether or not that will ever change is up to him, of course.  We have joked before, about my nullifying his vote on occasion.  He said, "No, little girl, I am nullifying your vote." 

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 2:47:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been in relationships in which I would have voted as ordered.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 3:36:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Put it to you this way: even if you (the Dom/me) DID try to influence your sub(s) in voting... how do you know they won't just vote their own mind once behind the curtain?  LOL


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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 4:11:36 PM   
Justme696


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Status: offline 		LOl I always end in fights when we talk about politics.
I never did push a girl so far that I made her vote on my preference. Propably because I am not so much in politics. And my view is some towards the right nationalistic side in many peoples view. ( well that is the box where they put you in when you love your country)
Even if I could make her vote, her thoughts might be somewhere else. So it would be fooling myself.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 4:43:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		the problem with bdsm and government is you're always going to have two masters.  while obviously i don't have to vote at all, telling me what to vote would be no different than being told to not do my taxes.  if i answer to two entities fine, but if they want to try and control each other there will be a problem, it would be no different to me than the government trying to tell me what partner i will have.  master government tells me to vote for who i think is the best candidate, that is what i will do and nothing more.

now if i was dating mrs. politics, and she wanted to know who i was voting for, i'd have no problem saying "i have not the slightest idea, but probably _________ guy".  and if she wanted me to vote a certain way, i'd love people to try and convince me because politics is something i don't take an active interest in.  i just usually vote for the person that seems less of a socialist or communist.  back to the problem of two masters, in politics i don't see "controlling" as being a good thing, and we're stretching the word "free" enough as it is.

i also don't believe just because i serve someone that it will mean they are more intelligent than i am, and if they wanted to say something along the lines of "you'll vote for ________ person, slave" i'd turn into instant smartass and say "slaves aren't allowed to vote, and for good reason".  i don't imagine i'd ever end up in such a relationship.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 4:48:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got swayed - not 180 but maybe 120 politically by my Master.
Kinda interesting... No pressure to vote or not vote or vote any particular way, though.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 5:32:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have to tell my slave how to vote because I wouldn't bring anyone into my household who didn't have similar beliefs and values as the husband and I.

It is, however, a requirement for everyone in this household to be registered and to vote in every election. I consider it the minimum duty of a citizen.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 5:41:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

I’m curious as to if any Dominant has instructed their subs/slaves to vote a certain way in political elections. Have you ever been told to vote a certain way by a Dominant? It just occurred to me this could be quite useful in a poly household situation to have effectively a voting block. Where do you draw the line in that respect; it could be easily argued the Dominant is taking responsibility for the subs/slaves future lives so why not their politics as part of that? Does this happen in reality and do you consider it ethical?

Thanks for any participation in this topic I shall read it with interest, unless it's been done already in which case links would be appreciated.
That would be interesting, considering i am usually attracted to Conservative men...LOL, and me being moderate.  i seem to have a history of Doms from Europe, so it's never been an issue...yet

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 5:43:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bdsm scene itself already has enough stupid politics-that I don't even want to think about the idiocy of forcing someone to vote a candidate they dislike.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 5:45:04 PM   
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A conservative couldn't order me to vote his way because I wouldn't respect any conservative enough to get into a relationship with one.


Yeouch....kinda feisty eh?  Atleast you know that and you stick to it.

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RE: Politics and BDSM - 4/6/2008 5:51:18 PM   
greenearth21


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Status: offline 		I think a difference in political views makes for great conversations, or debate if you will.  I'm the kind of person that likes to share and listen...i always have an open mind because you never know if you'll learn somethign different, even though I have a good idea of what i believe in and stick to it.  I think if a dom ever told me to vote one way or another....i'd laugh (from disbelief, while i gather my thoughts/questions together) and have them entertain me. 
Not mocking anyone who would vote as ordered...different strokes for different folks, right?
But thats just something that wouldnt go well...and as some already stated...how do you know which way they'll vote once behind the curtain?
For the most part, most people I admire tend to be conservative ( i grew up in a very conservative home) and i guess it sticks with me.  As long as they dont impose on my beliefs/preference....we can agree to disagree passionately

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