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An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 6:26:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		A CM friend sent me this and I think it is so incredible and beautiful, wanted to share!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LHoyB81LnE&feature=email

I googled more about it and these elephants are mostly in Thailand, and their paintings are gorgeous. I would love to own a painting doen by an elephant.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 6:45:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		We always take it for granted that there are no species on this earth that have as much sentience as our own.
Yet I don't see any other species running around commiting genocide.
Elephants live 50 years or so, and I suspect they're higher up on the karmic chain.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 7:52:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Uh-oh, all those rock and cave carvings and paintings were not done by humans, but by elephants!
 
If I had not seen the elephant in the clip occasionally, I would not have believed it! What fine control and purpose and artistry! Or is it simply a task that they have been trained to perform? (The way of drawing is very human-like.)
 
(Can elephants see in color?)

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 8:27:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was fascinated at the human like control of the elephant's trunk. You can almost see the hand griping the brush.

In our digital age, never believe what you see on film.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 8:28:39 AM   
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Uh-oh, all those rock and cave carvings and paintings were not done by humans, but by elephants!



I was thinking the very same thing!  LOL





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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 8:35:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Give any thing the tools, we would be surprised what could be achieved.

After all, elephants have a larger brain than us, it can't be just thinking about the mundanes of life.

Maybe the only difference between us and  non human creatures is that we are able to manufacture tools for our expression.


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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 8:39:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		To believe these paintings are actually being done by elephants one would actually have to believe elephants have the same perception of the world as humans.

Hardly likely.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 9:05:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite. That is why I supposed that they had been trained to paint like that.
 
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I was fascinated at the human like control of the elephant's trunk. You can almost see the hand griping the brush.
The trunk has more than forty thousand muscles in it, so it does indeed have extremely fine control. It can pick up a single blade of grass.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 9:46:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of my ex's has a sister who manages one of the Ringling Bros. shows -- thankfully he and I are still on good terms because I get all sorts of perks when the circus comes to town!  Last time it came by my location I got to go backstage to meet the performers and the animals, including an elephant who paints BEAUTIFUL pictures.  I'd frame it and hang it in my living room.

I used to think elephants were wretched, smelly creatures until that moment when I saw her happily dipping her paintbrush in the different colors of paint and I swear she was actually pondering what to do next on the canvas.

It's cute, too, when they give her rewards.  Apparently they love bread, but to feed an elephant a bread snack you basically unwrap a whole loaf of bread and give it to her! 

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 9:56:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		That poor, poor elephant.  He obviously has body dysmorphic disorder.  One can clearly see that he is not nearly as skinny as he sees himself.  Plus that focus on the butt leads one to believe that he's heavily into anal.  Many, many issues going on in that brain. 

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 10:28:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		We used to have a painting elephant at the Alaska Zoo.  Thankfully she was recently sent to California, where she will have a much better life (warm and other elephants to socialise with).  She can play the Harmonica also.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 10:46:37 AM   
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Alright...thats not funny!! It was not an elephant..it was me when i was 9 months pregnant and i was just trying to finish the nursery so that we had a place to put the kid and i now i feel bad that you are laughing...uh......oh...just watched the clip...oops....never mind.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 11:05:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it the height of arrogance to think we are the only species who sees the natural world and has an appreciation for it. Even if it is a "learned behavor" so can we debate that our writing, typing, drawing and anything else we do as human animals is a learned behavor. Our parents taught us. We learned it. We didnt spout fully formed with the knowledge of "how to".

I love the fact that someone thought outside of the box enough to let the elephants paint.

When you honestly think about it we are not the only species that uses tools either. Some animals have developed cultures. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0607_050607_dolphin_tools.html  Here the Dolphins teach thier daughters how to use a sponge on the end of thier bottle nose to keep from being stung.. and to help find fish on the sea floor. Chimps and baboons use tools. Otters use tools to break open clams.

I do not discount them because they didnt go to Sears and slap down thier credit card for a craftsman's set.

They might not be the same or "equal"... but I think they deserve respect for thier families and communites they have. We are all connected.. and we are just one more animal on this planet.

With all of this being said I still get a kick out of Dennis Leary's rant on Meat.... and the "Animal Audtions"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN8Ne2_D_DQ


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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 11:10:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Amazing is right. Blew me away. Thanks for sharing that, OP !

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 11:14:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I googled some more about it and there are many painting elephants. Mostly in Thailand I think. There are so many beautiful paintings done by elephants.

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To believe these paintings are actually being done by elephants one would actually have to believe elephants have the same perception of the world as humans.

Hardly likely.


So, meatcleaver you dont think that is an elephant painting in the video?

You can buy a painting done by an elephant for well under 500 not for profit dollars. Some of them are so very beautiful.

I am a believer that animals have much more developed sense of perception of the world than we humans do these days.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 11:30:20 AM   
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Okay here is another short video of an elephant painting, you can see the whole elephant painting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n1OE6Yj4VE&feature=related

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 11:32:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		if I had a trunk like that, I would use it for gripping the club, fuck a bunch of painting.

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 11:37:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

That poor, poor elephant.  He obviously has body dysmorphic disorder.  One can clearly see that he is not nearly as skinny as he sees himself.  Plus that focus on the butt leads one to believe that he's heavily into anal.  Many, many issues going on in that brain. 


Domiguy is an elephant??? 

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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 12:02:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

if I had a trunk like that, I would use it for gripping the club, fuck a bunch of painting.

Ron  


actualy they use large elephants to move trees and lumber in India. Forget club.. we are talking a whole freakin tree.

BTW just like our horses and cows here eating over ripe apples and fruit and getting wasted.. they do it there in Africa...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euCpewQs2c  Too funny.

Here is one for LaM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL4q1h91nM0



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RE: An Elephant Painting...Amazing! - 4/1/2008 12:28:04 PM   
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Gywnvd:
I think it the height of arrogance to think we are the only species who sees the natural world and has an appreciation for it. Even if it is a "learned behavor" so can we debate that our writing, typing, drawing and anything else we do as human animals is a learned behavor. Our parents taught us. We learned it. We didnt spout fully formed with the knowledge of "how to".


I agree,not only do animals see and appreciate the natural world, they do so far "better" than we do. In fact, they are One with it. Something that many humans aspire to through various parctices such as meditation. As humans we are at a disadvatage regarding this due to our concepts of self and other.


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