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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 7:52:43 AM   
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If finally built, the tunnel would allow rail connections between London and New York.


Yeah because that will be so much quicker than a plane travelling in the right direction towards New York.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 9:36:25 AM   
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If finally built, the tunnel would allow rail connections between London and New York.


Yeah because that will be so much quicker than a plane travelling in the right direction towards New York.


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I guess that would depend on whether the traveler was more interested in the trip or the destination.
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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 10:39:41 AM   
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Possible explanations for this move...

1. They want an easier way to invade
2. They want to hide their horizontal mining for oil under Alaska with a fictitious transport link project
3. They want to sell you their natural gas so you become dependant on them and they can blackmail you on the political stage.
4. They want a transport link

Only time will tell...



Logic helps also.

1. How effective would an invasion of a nation be by train?  Ok they sieze Whales Alaska, and try to slog acorss the tundra to Nome, while planes from Eilson and Elmendorph, destroy the tunnell, and shoot them like fish in a barrel, while they are on a flat wet tundra with absolutly nothing to take cover behind, not even a single tree.  Pretty useless as an invasion strategy.

2 not much oil in that region.  And I dont think they can slant drill over 100 miles.

3  We already have huge amounts of Natural Gas on this side of the Berring straight.  It would be beyond pointless.

4  yeah, and its also a status thing.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 10:51:58 AM   
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ShareMyDream:
I guess that would depend on whether the traveler was more interested in the trip or the destination.
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Good point it could be like the orient express I suppose. The only problem is we are living in the instant gratification society that wants everything now and doesn’t have much time for savouring experiences. 

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 12:14:34 PM   
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The idea was trashed when the Soviets took over and everyone got distracted with the world wars.

cd:
This seems to imply that the Soviets started two world wars....is that really what you meant?
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No. I meant that the countries got caught up with different wars and that caused both to get off track of their plans prior to the war. Czar Nicolas II had already started putting to gether plans to build the tunnel. Then the Bolsheviks started a civil war. Meanwhile the US got tangled up in WWI. Then both got tangled in WWII before opposing each other in the Cold War. So the project has hit one snag after another.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 12:20:44 PM   
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ShareMyDream:
I guess that would depend on whether the traveler was more interested in the trip or the destination.
thompson


Good point it could be like the orient express I suppose. The only problem is we are living in the instant gratification society that wants everything now and doesn’t have much time for savouring experiences. 


I agree...most but not all think they need it yesterday.  I have taken the train across canada...even rode the Newfie bullet across New Foundland....where the engineer would stop the train just so the passengers could get off and pick some blueberries.
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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 12:39:11 PM   
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Then again I guess I'm kind of biased because of my heritage, but still... he gives me the creeps in a very bad way.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 2:50:34 PM   
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There is going to be a tunnell one day, whether the greenies like it or not.

Why not start it now instead of 50 years from now?

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 4:14:49 PM   
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The idea was trashed when the Soviets took over and everyone got distracted with the world wars.

cd:
This seems to imply that the Soviets started two world wars....is that really what you meant?
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No. I meant that the countries got caught up with different wars and that caused both to get off track of their plans prior to the war. Czar Nicolas II had already started putting to gether plans to build the tunnel. Then the Bolsheviks started a civil war.
It would be more historically accurate to say that the Bolsheviks were involved in a civil war....starting it...that would be a bit of a stretch.



Meanwhile the US got tangled up in WWI.
I am sure you are aware that the Russians were also involved in the first world war.

Then both got tangled in WWII before opposing each other in the Cold War. So the project has hit one snag after another.
Thanks for the clarification...the first post seemed to be misleading.




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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 4:21:20 PM   
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Putin wants Russia and the United States to build a tunnel under the Bering Strait which would link Siberia to Alaska and connect rail lines from Asia and Europe to the Americas.

Officials on both sides view the potential project (which would cost an estimated $60 billion dollars) as a way to cool tensions between the two countries. It would also open a new route of trade.

Putin plans to discuss the project with President Bush next week.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3646415.ece


Brilliant.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 6:15:10 PM   
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Putin is looking for ways to get eastern Russia out of depression. The western part of the country and around Moscow are doing quite well trading with the Europeans. But the eastern and Siberian areas are in a deep depression.

It is not true:economic growth in Eastern Russia has been in double digits last 7 years.
The idea of tunnel is purely political and it makes no economic sense at all. It is just an example how KGB run state capitalism operates.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 8:08:10 PM   
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It is not true:economic growth in Eastern Russia has been in double digits last 7 years.
The idea of tunnel is purely political and it makes no economic sense at all. It is just an example how KGB run state capitalism operates.




          As was pointed on the discussion of Air America a couple weeks back, a high percentage of growth doesn't mean much when you are starting from fucking near zero.  The London to New York rail connection is pure fluff, anachronistic fill from a reporter who doesn't grasp the story.  This is about the ability to move freight, not tourists. 

        That $60 billion number that is getting thrown around?  Anybody researched this deeply enough to know if that is just the hole in the ground, or does it cover the connecting lines and inland port facilities?  Just don't the companies from that Boston job anywhere near it.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/30/2008 8:40:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		A poll a few years ago showed less than half the people living in central and eastern Russia considered life "bearable." Russia's economy is growing fast but right now it isnt very big and it is very vulnerable.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/31/2008 12:11:13 AM   
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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/31/2008 1:24:02 AM   
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A poll a few years ago showed less than half the people living in central and eastern Russia considered life "bearable." Russia's economy is growing fast but right now it isnt very big and it is very vulnerable.


The real problem for Russia is that bearly anyone lives there (in the east). A couple of years ago I went on a hiking holiday through though the Cherisky Range and our group never saw a Russian for five days, apart from our guide that is. Russia is facing a demographic crisis, even Putin said that immigration is not going to solve the problem.

I was thinking Archer with his guns and rugged individualism might emigrate, it is the nearest he's ever going to get to the Wild West and it will stop him becoming tamed and nationalized.

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/31/2008 7:23:06 AM   
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I was thinking Archer with his guns and rugged individualism might emigrate, it is the nearest he's ever going to get to the Wild West and it will stop him becoming tamed and nationalized.


Nah.....That would never happen - Because then he wouldn't be in position anymore to come here and tell us how beneficial the petroleum industry and all the corporate cocksuckers are to America.





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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/31/2008 7:32:28 PM   
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  I have taken the train across canada...even rode the Newfie bullet across New Foundland....where the engineer would stop the train just so the passengers could get off and pick some blueberries.


That is so beautiful it almost hurts.

But is there anything in Siberia to lichen it to?

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/31/2008 7:34:14 PM   
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  I have taken the train across canada...even rode the Newfie bullet across New Foundland....where the engineer would stop the train just so the passengers could get off and pick some blueberries.


That is so beautiful it almost hurts.

But is there anything in Siberia to lichen it to?





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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 3/31/2008 9:31:18 PM   
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  I have taken the train across canada...even rode the Newfie bullet across New Foundland....where the engineer would stop the train just so the passengers could get off and pick some blueberries.


That is so beautiful it almost hurts.

But is there anything in Siberia to lichen it to?






And that was so beautiful that it did hurt?

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RE: Putin wants to link Russia to America by tunnel - 4/1/2008 6:53:50 AM   
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  I have taken the train across canada...even rode the Newfie bullet across New Foundland....where the engineer would stop the train just so the passengers could get off and pick some blueberries.


That is so beautiful it almost hurts.

But is there anything in Siberia to lichen it to?



I don't know but I would take the trip just to see if there was.
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