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meatcleaver -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 1:43:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Obama is a man who sits before a racist reverend and receives spiritual teaching from such a man. Obama is a man who when confronted with the hatred and outright lies Wright repeatedly wove into his sermons, refused to detach himself from such a man. A man such as Obama is not a man whose character recommends him for high office. I can't say I've heard or read one racist statement made by the man. Opinionated, sanctimonious maybe, misconceived maybe but not racist.

kittinSol -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 1:45:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver I can't say I've heard or read one racist statement made by the man. Opinionated, sanctimonious maybe, misconceived maybe but not racist. There's no point; some choose to believe in little pixies, in flying saucers, or in Obama's racism... you can't do anything about it.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 2:23:38 PM)
Apparently Senator Obama has or there would be no need for his rejection, vehement disagreement and condemnation. Why distance yourself from someone telling the truth? Why require a resignation? Why require him to resign as a campaign adviser. Does Senator Obama have those opinions or is he just too weak to stand up for what he believes as truth? As President what if one of our allies is perceived as "misunderstood"? Will President Obama act as he has now and abandon them not caring that the their actions and/or words were taken out of context? Can a man so influenced to reject a 20 year relationship because it stands in the way of his career be considered strong enough to lead a nation? “Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy,” he said in the statement. “I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialog, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.” Source: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/raw-data-obamas-statement-condemning-his-pastors-controversial-sermons/ [/quote] But feel free to disagree with the esteemed Senator from Illinois.

kittinSol -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 2:28:31 PM)
Actually, I feel free to completely disagree with your interpretation of events.

kdsub -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 2:37:46 PM)
I am an Obama supporter BUT...I do understand the uproar over his religious confident. That stupid ass, that calls himself a minister, says God Dam America. He was so caught up in himself that he did not even understand how his words could potentially destroy Obama's chance to be President. Obama's problem is with his judgment. He should have known this could happen and the fact he did not see this coming casts doubt on his competency. People believe...and with good reason… that this was not the first time his minister spewed this racist rhetoric. Obsama’s continued relationship with this man means to many people that he agrees with his message. I understand many people of color agree with what was said and claim that quotes were taken out of context. They are wrong… white people saying much less have been drummed out of office and positions of responsibilities. All people should be held responsible for their words and actions not just whites. I personally hope Obama can overcome and learn from this mess. He has a chance in the next few weeks to assure ALL the American people that he will be a President for all Americans. Butch

kittinSol -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 2:42:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I personally hope Obama can overcome and learn from this mess. He has a chance in the next few weeks to assure ALL the American people that he will be a President for all Americans. I hope the electorate gives him the chance to prove that he is far above these petty considerations, and that he will, indeed, win this election.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 2:54:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Obama is a man who sits before a racist reverend and receives spiritual teaching from such a man. Obama is a man who when confronted with the hatred and outright lies Wright repeatedly wove into his sermons, refused to detach himself from such a man. A man such as Obama is not a man whose character recommends him for high office. I can't say I've heard or read one racist statement made by the man. Opinionated, sanctimonious maybe, misconceived maybe but not racist. When you have the ears to hear, you will. Such is the order of things.

meatcleaver -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 3:15:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Obama is a man who sits before a racist reverend and receives spiritual teaching from such a man. Obama is a man who when confronted with the hatred and outright lies Wright repeatedly wove into his sermons, refused to detach himself from such a man. A man such as Obama is not a man whose character recommends him for high office. I can't say I've heard or read one racist statement made by the man. Opinionated, sanctimonious maybe, misconceived maybe but not racist. When you have the ears to hear, you will. Such is the order of things. As I thought, you can't eeven point out one racist statement he is supposed to have made.[8\|]

Level -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 3:23:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Level, why is there such an obsession with senator Obama? I'm genuinely curious. I see no proof his moral standards are lower than the other two (as a matter of fact, they seem higher, but that's personal), I see no proof that he's fucked more more often than they have (as a matter of fact, he's younger than them, so it's likely he's made fewer bad decisions than they have)... and yet, he's the main news fodder of this election campaign. Any idea why? Obama is one of the few "hot stars" of politics, and being the first black candidate to have a snowballs chance of winning the presidency, he is going to attract all sorts of attention. I think he's a decent man, and he has my vote; I also believe McCain is a good man, and would consider voting for him as well.

kdsub -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 3:42:04 PM)
I believe people of color and so called whites look at race relations in two different ways. There is some truth and fallacy in both views. Blacks, and other minorities, see discrimination everywhere. Because more blacks than whites, in proportion to their numbers in the population, are convicted of crimes they believe there must be discrimination in the judicial system. Because fewer blacks are elected to public offices there must be discrimination in voting. Because black children in general score lower on school tests there must be discrimination in education…on and on. Whites on the other hand do not see discrimination anywhere. They feel if you do the crime you should do the time. They believe whites and blacks are treated the same in the judicial system. The fact that fewer blacks are elected to office is the fault of blacks not registering and voting. They feel the ABC’s are the same no matter what your color and it is the attitude of the black kids towards school…“ BEING WHITE” if you get good grades… is the problem…and on and on This unhealthy distrustful attitude of both groups is why Obama’s association with the Reverend “Wrong” is such a problem for his election. Even if he gets the Democratic nomination this may very well cause him to loose the general election. kittenSol I hope Obama does not think this issue is petty or he will loose and with him our best chance to make real changes. Butch

cloudboy -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 3:53:22 PM)
Celticlord also doesn't believe in historical relevance or context when weighing issues in the present. Obama is going to win the election in a landslide, and his opponents are desperate to stem the tide. I'm happy that Obama can associate with all types of people, because it will help him better tune into America and its complexities. Anyone with half a brain can see that he, himself, is not a racist at all. Aside from all that, Obama is the superior candidate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUV69LZbCNQ Hillary Clinton didn't even read the NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE ON IRAQ before casting her vote.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 3:56:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver As I thought, you can't eeven point out one racist statement he is supposed to have made.[8\|] To what end? You have heard the same sermons I have. You have read all the same words. You wish to believe Wright is not a racist. That is your choice. When you grow into a better choice, the discussion will continue. Until then, I am quite done with you.

meatcleaver -> RE: Obama: would have left if the Rev hadn't resigned? (3/28/2008 4:22:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver As I thought, you can't eeven point out one racist statement he is supposed to have made.[8\|] To what end? You have heard the same sermons I have. You have read all the same words. You wish to believe Wright is not a racist. That is your choice. When you grow into a better choice, the discussion will continue. Until then, I am quite done with you. Of course you are. You are wrong again.

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