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RCdc -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 7:02:53 AM)

Sometimes we stop, sometimes he continues.  Always it doesn't matter as long as it's his decision.  It only matters, if it matters that it matters to me, to him.[;)]
 
the.dark.



mistoferin -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 7:05:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
It only matters, if it matters that it matters to me, to him.[;)]

 
Try saying THAT three times fast!!!!!



RCdc -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 7:08:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
It only matters, if it matters that it matters to me, to him.[;)]

 
Try saying THAT three times fast!!!!!


Only if you are into spit'n'dribble![:D]
the.dark.



ProfJoe -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 7:18:04 AM)

Usually it's a sign that we're both clicking pretty well, so I drag it out, try to intensify it.

Sometimes I don't want it and enjoy the frustration of delay or denial.

Infrequently, it can signal something that will be not-nice for afterward. Usually, I stop it there.

(Prof) Joe



Taboo4Two -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 9:06:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Taboo4Two
Other times I'll increase intensity or change to a technique that I know she does not enjoy enough to get to space. I do that to bring her back when I'm not ready for our scene to end.


Not sure I understand. Does her being in subspace indicate the end of the scene to you? Can you use those changes in intensity to keep her solidly in subspace for an extended time, maybe hours?....or does she experience negative effects from being kept there?


For us it is best to end a scene once dee is in deeply into sub space. At that point she is non-responsive to voice commands and has very little physical response to increasing levels of pain. Once she is at that point she will stay in space on her own for 30 -45 minutes and slowly come out. After that though she is still very foggy and usually goes right to sleep for 10-12 hours.

If I want to keep a scene going I have to recognize that she is slipping into space before she gets to far and do something to bring her back. By varying toys and technique I can keep her on the edge of space for a long time.

Domino






BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 9:10:12 AM)

I don't see subspace as a stop sign,I see it as a turn around station for a safe journey back home...as always just the views of this ol' master....



Gleegal67 -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 10:59:28 AM)

When I reach that lovely journey of subspace...my preference is for it to be prolonged as long as possible!

Unfortunately, the reality of a it is that I normally have to drive home afterwards, so as long as the scene happens 1-3 hours, is usually the same amount of time it takes for me to come back to reality enough to be functionable to drive.  I really dislike that part, but, it's completely worth the time together and the journey we experienced...pros way out balance the cons!



KatsClaws12 -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 2:03:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Subs, do you prefer your dominant to stop as soon as you enter space or do you prefer to take a long, guided trip?


I would absolutly not want Her to stop. When I go into subspace I can take so much more. I have become quite the pain slut and seeing that my Mistress is very sadistic She can take it that much further. She knows how to read me and will stop when She feels that She needs to. Though sometimes I wish that She would go a bit further. When I am in subspace I know all that is going on but Im not really there. I can hear Her and feel what She is doing but its noting but pleasure at that point. It is an amazing feeling! If She were to stop I would be so so very sad. I am lucky that She knows me so well.[:D]



lighthearted -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 2:11:08 PM)

while oftentimes I think subspace is a goal for him, he doesn't let it interfere with what he's doing when he's got something planned out.  by that I mean, if I'm riding happily along, and he's decided playtime is over, then it's over.  I enjoy the time I had, I get great aftercare, but as far as prolonging it...he doesn't operate that way.



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 2:26:42 PM)

I've never actually entered deep, trancelike subspace before.  I believe it exists.  I've just never been there.

I know a submissive who reaches that point fairly often.  I cannot make a true judgment call on whether she's telling the truth about it or not.  She's a bit of a drama queen and, frankly, a major brat who yells at her master if he hits her too hard, so I have to take it with a grain of salt.  (I strongly suspect she does it sometimes to escape further punishment and maintain the ability to say she's never safeworded.)  Either way, I thought I would share the experiences I have witnessed.  When she goes into deep space, she acts as though she's passing out and her master helps her to the ground.  The scene completely stops at this point.  She will lie there for fifteen or twenty minutes while he typically goes to smoke a cigarette.  This is how it goes every single time.  Contact between them ceases when she hits deep subspace.

I would like to add a disclaimer.  I certainly do believe that deep subspace can be attained.  I simply doubt the veracity of much that this particular submissive claims in general.  I have a fairly limited amount of respect for both that dominant and that submissive.  I, however, don't believe that just because she would "fake it", that everyone is or would.



derfrewop -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 3:42:15 PM)

I don't see subspace as a stop sign but I don't view it as a totally good thing either.  I tend to think of it like being the sitter for somebody on an acid trip. They ain't really there and while there can be fun guiding and shaping the journey, in the end it mostly amounts to a bunch of responsibility tied to a strange sort of loneliness.

The other really big problem with subspace for dominates is "whats now?" Deep subspace means that the sub can't talk. That doesn't mean no communication, you can tell a simply amazing amount of what is going on simply by touch, but it is all one way. So you are left with basically 3 options. The first is to simply stop. This generally is the least satisfactory since the sub gets no flying time and it really is just like coitus interruptus. The second is to keep doing what you were planning on doing. Without safe words, poor communication, non-existent feedback and the very high risk of injury because the sub can't communicate. Even if there is no injury, the abrupt end to subspace because of too much pain, is disorienting at the least and extremely damaging to trust. How likely are you to let somebody cane you if last time it ended because the intensity was so high it shattered your connection to the infinite mind? Finally, if you really know this sub's responses well, you can shoot for giving an orgasm. An orgasm in subspace can be wildly intense and satisfying for the sub and a quite psychologically valuable for both the Dom and sub. However, once you can achieve this on a fairly regular basis, where can you go beyond that?

Back when I focused more on my sub side, I use to hate that my Mistress would only rarely let me go into subspace. Now I tend to see it from her side. Subspace just really doesn't offer much for the dominate and that little bit comes with a simply huge number of drawbacks.





daddysliloneds -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 3:46:08 PM)

if someone gets me to the gates of heaven and doesn't let go in, i get pissy that's for sure; so once i'm there, push me in further please...

"the magical mystery tour is coming to take me away, take me away"!



shysub0951 -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 4:20:53 PM)

Mine will continue going, though it's rare for me to actually get into subspace, been there a couple times though.



Lynnxz -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 4:23:59 PM)



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ORIGINAL: Gleegal67

When I reach that lovely journey of subspace...my preference is for it to be prolonged as long as possible!

Unfortunately, the reality of a it is that I normally have to drive home afterwards, so as long as the scene happens 1-3 hours, is usually the same amount of time it takes for me to come back to reality enough to be functionable to drive.  I really dislike that part, but, it's completely worth the time together and the journey we experienced...pros way out balance the cons!


Driving home after spacing out like that is never fun... thank God for Tom-Toms!



Leatherist -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 4:27:54 PM)

I used to know girls who were addicted to it.

I tend to avoid the ones who expect me to push them there now. Fun is fun, obsession is not.[&:]



DesFIP -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 4:39:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NakedOnMyChain

She's a bit of a drama queen and, frankly, a major brat who yells at her master if he hits her too hard, so I have to take it with a grain of salt. 


There are three normal responses to things we consider threats to ourselves; fight, flight or freeze. Just because her primal response is fight doesn't mean she's a brat.

It does mean she's with someone who she is compatible with, who prefers her to respond spontaneously and not cover it up to present an oh-so-subbielike behavior.

You don't get a certificate of subbie cum laude for being stoic and unmoving. She doesn't get one for being in touch with her inner self. You're different people in different relationships. just as you wouldn't like her master, remember he wouldn't want you.



denika -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 4:51:43 PM)

Sub space is an added bonus, we don't play just to get there, I'm a masochist, he's a sadist, so he gets off when I am in pain, I don't feel as much when I am in sub space.  I know for me, I don't specificly play to get there, I play for alot of reasons.
It is a very nice place to go tho, :)   He takes me there as a reward, as well if we are going to do something further after the specific scene. When Wolf did my cutting , we played first so I was basicly stoned  in sub space. It made the cutting easier as it is a big peice. He went over it again recently and we hadn't played first, much more Ouch!!

Wol'fs denika



derfrewop -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 5:33:59 PM)

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I tend to avoid the ones who expect me to push them there now. Fun is fun, obsession is not.


Sure is funny how sometimes what you think would be the greatest just isn't when you actually get there.



MistressRouge -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/26/2008 6:09:26 PM)

Well I enjoy willing/guiding my subs to & through  sub space, so yes my goal.

:)

I never stop once they are in that wonderfully euphoric state :)




MaamJay -> RE: Doms...do you see subspace as a stop sign? (3/27/2008 12:44:17 AM)

I love to see My subs in subspace ... I don't feel it is lonely at all, in fact I feel an incredibly deep emotional and spiritual connection. It's not THE goal because it's not always appropriate to take them there ... they need time to ground and I wouldn't want someone to go deep into space if they have to go to work later that day for example! But assuming there is time ... then I love them to go there (to deep space I mean) ... and while I would ease back on the sensation that took them there, especially if it is impact play, I just keep enough going within very safe limits to keep them floating, then gradually wind down when I want them to start drifting back. And I just love to cuddle, hold them, caress them while they return so that's no "pain" to Me at all.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]



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