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AquaticSub -> RE: doubting the lifestyle... (3/24/2008 11:30:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: justhonest

just to make it clear and being on the same page

there exist some really good sides as well giving sub/slaves good advice how to protect when getting in touch with prospective Doms/Masters and they list the signs of abuse as well.
so please - i will not discuss here if someone play hard and i do not like.
i am talking of getting over hard limits, isolating you etc... typical signs you can find on every webpage...
beside some stuff i do not wanna like to list here.
it really confuse me that people , even when they have proof... close there eyes..
and then it just come in my mind... people do not wanna hear the truth..

is it just all about the blinky stuff?

i do have believes and values.. and heck i stand for.




The lifestyle isn't magical. There are good people and there are shitty people. Exactly the same as every single group of people from priests/rabbis/pastors to circus clowns. Thinking anything else is having your eyes closed, realizing that is having them open. Expect nothing more from this group than you would any other group of people you have something in common in with, be it flower arranging or painting.

Women not reporting an abuser has nothing, positively NOTHING, to do with BDSM. You'll find that regular vanilla women often have trouble reporting an abuser or rapist for various reasons.

Edited to add: Just FYI - Don't expect SSC to be the creed of everyone in this lifestyle. Others prefer RACK and others still don't live by any "set of rules" like that. There isn't a guideline in place you can expect others to follow.




cjan -> RE: doubting en it isnt D/sthe lifestyle... (3/24/2008 12:12:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ponyboyachilles

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ORIGINAL: justhonest

due to a recent experience i had... i did met a so called DOM - but wasn't at all.
i did had to found out that he was a fake, a predator, a player - but hell not a Dom, Top, Master at all.

he use BDSM as an accusse to abuse women. in the meantime i spoke with some former women of him and they told me as well.

however - beside it is a big dissppointment ( and i have done some mistakes as well you should do as a sub - like checking references) and some personal issues the story involves... i did outted him - made my experience with him publically.
some of the lifestyle people told me about that he knew him before and that he was an abuser - but none so far one of his former women had the gut to stand up for what they saw is wrong.

for me - and that is something i really can not understand and confuse me to depths of my soul.
this lifestyle claims for themself honesty, trust, faith... and in telling the truth people attack you for outting out an abuser?
can anyone explain that to me?

or may i am just totally wrong in that lifestyle?

justhonest


It seems to me that you came across a predatory, abusive person who is using BDSM as an excuse.  Predators use all kinds of excuses to gain someone's trust, and D/s is an obvious choice for such.  But a fundamental cornerstone of D/s is SSC (safe, sane, & consensual) and if it isnt SSC (and it sounds like your experience wasnt) then it isnt D/s, it's abuse, plain and simple.  Run, not walk, away, and the next time you find someone you think you'd like to play with, ask a trusted kinky friend to act as a "safety net" (I'm big on these) and make sure the person you intend to play with knows the safety net is there (such as requiring the new person in your life to accept a call from the safety net to go over the rules, your limits, his intentions with you, etc.)  If the new person is honestly interested in D/s and in you as a person rather than a victim, he should not have a problem with spending as much time on the phone with your safety net as the safety net wishes, and acting friendly and non-threatened by the phone call.  After you've agreed to meet for play, make sure the safety net has accurate personal information on the new person (real name, address, phone number, etc.) and set a specific time to call the safety net after you have left the presence of the new person.  If the safety net doesnt get the agreed-upon call or you fail to say a specific pre-arranged code word during the call that lets him/her know you're OK, he/she calls the cops.  If you're still uneasy after all the precautions (and you refuse to walk away at that point, which would be my recommendation), insist that the safety net be present for any play activity (and make sure your safety net has a safety net of his/her own if he/she decides to to be physically present with you and your new person during play).  Most predators will reveal themselves by balking at one or more of your safety-related demands.  Having said all of this, I still believe a D/s relationship is the only kind of relationship I can ever be happy in, and I presume most kinksters feel that way too.  So if D/s is what you want (and only you can make that decision), I would not recommend giving up the lifestyle because you had one bad experience.  Learn from it, play it safer next time, and enjoy!



Excellent advice for someone meeting to play when the parties don't really know each other, imo. Thanks for your post.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: doubting the lifestyle... (3/24/2008 12:15:16 PM)

You shoudn't doubt the lifestyle, just some of the people in it, but that's the same -everywhere- people are not always what/who they say they are, its a fact of life.




Poetryinpain -> RE: doubting the lifestyle... (3/24/2008 12:34:36 PM)

The BDSM "community" is not a self-policing organization like the AMA or the Bar Association. It is a loose amalgamation of all the different people who are attracted to a loosely-defined pattern of doing things. There are basic rules of safety, but no way to sanction anyone who oversteps the rules. Because we are all of legal age, we expect everyone to act as an adult. Sadly, we also know that not everyone will do so. I can't think of an analogy in the vanilla world, because BDSM is so very personal to each one who subscribes to it.

Basically, my advice is: Know your standards and your boundaries and limits; be true to those standards and limits and ensure that anyone you engage in BDSM activity with agrees to respect them. If they agree and then renege on that agreement, they have crossed the line into abuse. If they try to use the argument that it was consensual, remind them of the agreement. But if you are just beginning to explore the opportunities of BDSM, I would add this: be cautious, be wise, and be patient. Play is fun, and sometimes you just want what you want and someone appears willing to give you what you want, but it is sometimes much better to wait patiently for the right person to come along. That's much better in the long run than regretting a bad decision made in haste.




akisha -> RE: doubting the lifestyle... (3/24/2008 2:35:58 PM)

Semi-Hijack

Ok for those that bitch and complain because they can't "OUT" someone, that they don't like or they assume is bad, here on the forums. That does NOT mean you can mass email everyone with in the area of the supposed person you don't like and say that said person is dangerous or a fake or whatever.

by the way, when you are acting like a childish pinhead and doing that, you may very well send the email to a good freind of the person you are trying to warn them about.

If you don't like someone then be and ADULT and ignore them, Fucking move on. Running in to people that are not compatible is a fact of life. Damn it DEAL WITH IT and grow the hell up.

Spreading rumours about people is Slander and is chargeable under the law. True it's not usually worth the time effort or cost but it is still a chargeable offence.

If the person that you have something against did something illegal then charge them, If it's a case that they hurt your poor little feelings, to damn bad there is not a thing you can do about it. Get up. brush the dirt off your ass and move on.

Ok done rant *S* [:)]   got a "beware of so and so" email a minute ago and it irritated the hell out of me. If i could have reported the sender to the Mods I would have but they don't have an "being an asshat" category under complaints.




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