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Level -> No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 3:44:58 PM)
quote: Facing strong opposition, Florida Democrats on Monday abandoned plans to hold a do-over presidential primary with a mail-in vote and threw the delegate dispute into the lap of the national party. While the decision by Florida Democrats left the state's 210 delegates in limbo, Democrats in Michigan moved closer to holding another contest on June 3. Legislative leaders reviewed a measure Monday that would set up a privately funded, state-administered do-over primary, The Associated Press learned. In Florida, a frustrated Democratic Party chairwoman Karen L. Thurman sent a letter announcing the decision. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080317/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble

domiguy -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 3:48:17 PM)
You have to wonder what they thought was actually going to happen? Fuck'em. They got exactly what they deserved. It's too bad for the citizens of Fla...What a fucked up state.

Level -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 3:52:03 PM)
I agree, DG. It's a damned shame, and it didn't have to happen.

domiguy -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 3:56:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level I agree, DG. It's a damned shame, and it didn't have to happen. just another reason to be disillusioned with the process.

thornhappy -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 4:13:48 PM)
Those guys knew what the penalty would be when they changed their primary. Tough noogies on them. thornhappy

EXODUS1 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 4:17:49 PM)
Vegas had a place to hold 500 people and about 2,000 showed up. Go figure?[8\|] Exodus1[sm=book.gif]

Level -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 4:22:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Those guys knew what the penalty would be when they changed their primary. Tough noogies on them. thornhappy There won't be that kind of language on my thread, young lady! [:D]

thornhappy -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 4:24:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Those guys knew what the penalty would be when they changed their primary. Tough noogies on them. thornhappy There won't be that kind of language on my thread, young lady! [:D] Neener neener neener! Oops, wrong thread. thornhappy

cyberdude611 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 4:45:21 PM)
The Dems just kissed 27 electoral votes good-bye..... Have you seen the polls? McCain would beat Obama by more than 10 pts in Florida. The GOP says they will seat all of Florida's delegates at their convention.

Level -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 4:54:53 PM)
Florida seems fairly solidly Republican, I don't know that Obama or Hillary would win there no matter what.

celticlord2112 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 5:24:30 PM)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/17/attorney.dnc/index.html?iref=mpstoryview It occurs to me the Democrats are themselves becoming a campaign issue: Florida/Michigan Earmark Requests Rev. Wright Antoin Rezko Geraldine Ferraro's big flapping jaw The Republicans have to be encouraged by these developments.

cyberdude611 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 5:45:51 PM)
And they are not solving any of their issues... They are letting them pile up... And polls are showing that Obama has begun to lose independents and white males. That's not a good sign. McCain is even within striking distance in New Jersey. The Democrats cant afford to lose that state. Obama's campaign better do something quick to stop the bleeding. This Rev Wright issue is starting to blow up his campaign.

KenDckey -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 5:54:57 PM)
I tell you I still think the Dems are falling apart at the seams. Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro both being beat up over race http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080317/ap_on_el_pr/bill_clinton_race;_ylt=AllUSVz5L_GwG6XgjHCz9StI2ocA Hilary's connections to Punjab (same article as above) where a ton of the outsourceing goes. Hilary beating up Obama over the War? LOL That is a laugh she voted for it and he is somehow at fault how? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080317/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_iraq_dc;_ylt=Aicerz1eABzdKHj1qAknAdQa.3QA I think the Dem Paty is about to blow apart. There is no unity and a lot of people upset over the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan, even if they did allow their delegates at the convention, the damage is done.

celticlord2112 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 6:12:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 And they are not solving any of their issues... They are letting them pile up... And polls are showing that Obama has begun to lose independents and white males. That's not a good sign. McCain is even within striking distance in New Jersey. The Democrats cant afford to lose that state. Obama's campaign better do something quick to stop the bleeding. This Rev Wright issue is starting to blow up his campaign. Rev Wright was just the fuse. Then there's Rezko. His opposition to seating delegates from Florida and Michigan. The more this drags on the more Obama shows his feet of clay.

SinergyNstrumpet -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 6:21:27 PM)
By the time of the convention this will be worked out most likely, although it does make interesting forum fodder for politicos of all stripes. After watching Jay Leno's "Jay Walker" routine, I am dubious that the vast majority of voters will not even be tuning in until the nomination process is over... julia

awmslave -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 7:07:06 PM)
Bad news to Mrs. Clinton: lot of old women and lations there. It will make her look bad if she fights for current results to be inluded.

Owner59 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 7:14:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 The Dems just kissed 27 electoral votes good-bye..... Have you seen the polls? McCain would beat Obama by more than 10 pts in Florida. The GOP says they will seat all of Florida's delegates at their convention. How`s that youngster? This is a primary.lol The "Dems" haven`t lost a thing in regards to the general.

celticlord2112 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 7:36:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 The Dems just kissed 27 electoral votes good-bye..... Have you seen the polls? McCain would beat Obama by more than 10 pts in Florida. The GOP says they will seat all of Florida's delegates at their convention. How`s that youngster? This is a primary.lol The "Dems" haven`t lost a thing in regards to the general. You don't think a voter backlash against the Democratic Party is likely? Even more on point, you don't think the Republicans wouldn't make considerable political hay with Obama's reluctance to articulate a mechanism by which the Florida delegation could be legitimately seated? In the general election, it really isn't going to matter if the Florida legislature violated the Democratic Party rules. What voters are likely to remember is that Obama didn't want their votes to count. That's not the sort of "change" I'd want.

Estring -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 7:41:01 PM)
The irony is; if Michigan and Florida had kept their original primary dates, they would have been even more important to who wins.

Owner59 -> RE: No do-over in Florida (3/17/2008 7:44:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 The Dems just kissed 27 electoral votes good-bye..... Have you seen the polls? McCain would beat Obama by more than 10 pts in Florida. The GOP says they will seat all of Florida's delegates at their convention. How`s that youngster? This is a primary.lol The "Dems" haven`t lost a thing in regards to the general. You don't think a voter backlash against the Democratic Party is likely? Even more on point, you don't think the Republicans wouldn't make considerable political hay with Obama's reluctance to articulate a mechanism by which the Florida delegation could be legitimately seated? In the general election, it really isn't going to matter if the Florida legislature violated the Democratic Party rules. What voters are likely to remember is that Obama didn't want their votes to count. That's not the sort of "change" I'd want. ROTFLMAO!! You think this is going to help McCain? ROTFLMAO!! <again>

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