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marieToo -> Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/13/2008 4:34:04 PM)

Alright, I'm a little naive in this area, but hopefully this will make sense.

My curiosity is about a cuckold situation in which 3 people (The cuck couple and the bull) are experiencing their cuckold fantasy.   In other words, I'm not referring to the traditional dictionary definition of cuckold being a man whose wife is unfaithful behind his back.  I'm talking about a 3-way consentual "scene" where the cuck wants to be cuckolded, and/or the female wants to cuckold him, and he is voluntarily participating either for his pleasure, her pleasure, or both their pleasure.   

What I'm interested in knowing is what connection (if any) is going on between the two males when this is happening?  I know it's not cut and dried, and all participants are different,  and every situation is different, so I'd like to hear the various answers from those who have had this experience.  (or even those who have a desire to.)  For example: Is the bull basically a faceless male aiding the "cuck couple" in the realization of their fantasy?  Or is there some specific psychological connection going on between the cuck and the bull?  If so, what is it?  Etc. Thanks, everyone. 




Stephann -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/13/2008 4:39:10 PM)

Really, this is an issue dictated by the woman.  As a bull, I'm fine with being friends with the guy, or not.  It has more to do with what she wants, than him.  If she wants his nose rubbed into the dirt I'm walking on, it's unlikely a friendship of any sort will grow.  If she wants him to be friendly and serve me (in a nonsexual manner), it's likely we can be friends.

Ultimately, for me, the psychological connection is going to be strongest with her.  The how and why of that would be a longer post, if you're curious.

Stephan



Griswold -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/13/2008 8:31:36 PM)

Can't help you with the analysis...but it sounds like a fabulous life to me :)



SimplyMichael -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/13/2008 10:28:08 PM)

I like the fantasy of being a bull, but the reality is that it is a dysfunctional relationship, or at least has a lot of potential to be one.  I have no interest in being party to that.

I have had men bring me their wives, but they were willing participants on various levels and so the dynamic was quite different.  In fact, one of those men is now one of my dearest friends with whom I would share anything.



Skully7000 -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/13/2008 10:54:20 PM)

Damn it. A whole big post just got eaten by the Net gods.

I will continue more later, but my first thought is when does the relationship shift from cuckoldry to Polyamory. and are the mutual exclusive?



Stephann -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 11:43:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Skully7000

Damn it. A whole big post just got eaten by the Net gods.

I will continue more later, but my first thought is when does the relationship shift from cuckoldry to Polyamory. and are the mutual exclusive?


Poly is a hard thing to define here; technically I'd call the classic (initial) cuck situation a Poly V hinging on the woman.  When the guys actually start to know and respect each other, it ventures closer to a more traditional triad.  Obviously, I think it's not a mutually exclusive thing.

Michael's pretty close; I think cuck relationships (more often than not) tend to reflect a dysfunctional relationship.  Usually it's either one party or the other who desires it (with many more male submissives desiring this, than there are females who want it.)  I think this stems from the fact that many/most women desire their primary lovers to also be their primary emotional targets (yes, there are exceptions.)  That means if she's married to a man, she would usually prefer to love and be sexually fulfilled by that man.  The cuckold desire, on the other hand, expects her to remain married to a man she neither truly loves, nor is satisfied with.  Obviously, our fantasies don't always line up with reality, and there are safe, healthy ways to explore fantasy without having to actually make it real.  When I 'rape' my slave, rape couldn't be further from the truth.

Stephan



solvr70 -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 12:31:12 PM)

i agree with Stephann on this one. it is entirely driven by what the Woman is excited by.

my attraction is only to Women, but if She is excited by having me taken by, or servicing Her Bull as well, then it would excite me as well.



LadyPact -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 12:49:06 PM)

Stephan, we seem to be more in synch this week.

This is very much a situation that is dictated by the woman.  The cuck/bull scenerio revolves around her.  This is not the same as where the female is HOH of a poly situation.  There are different emotional elements in play.



Shawn1066 -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 12:53:11 PM)

Well, I guess I'm something of the Bull when it comes to my Owner's relationship with Angel.

*I chuckled just writing that.  I don't think I'll ever refer to myself as a Bull.  I find it a tad ridiculous*

Their relationship isn't romantic nor is it sexual in nature, however, he greatly enjoys being cuckholded.  I'm not exactly sure what excites him about it.  He is not allowed sex, and he abstains from it for religious reasons.  My relationship with my Owner is romantic(We've been engaged for almost a week now! :-D) and sexual in nature.  So, of course, I suppose I play a role in his fantasies.

We don't interact.  We've never met.   I have little doubt we'll get around to meeting someday, but when we will not play with one another, nor will our Owner play with us.  We have no desire to play with one another and, since we're both straight, we have no desire to play sexually with one another, or together with our Owner.  Our Owner feels the same way.  Things are very compartmentalized.

Our relationship?  We know of each other and we will pass friendly sentiments to one another through our Owner.  I'd help the guy out if he needed anything.

So, yeah...  The dynamic actually doesn't revolve around my Owner at all.  While she's in firm control of it, it's not something that is necessarily her creation at all.   It's not her fantasy.  It's Angel's fantasy, and she's glad to indulge him if it makes him happy.  This is, of course, my understanding of it.

DV's Fox



marieToo -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 6:12:01 PM)

Thanks for the responses everyone.  :)

With regards to the topic of poly coming into this, I had actually considered putting it in the poly forum, but thought there would be a wider response here.   I guess there isn't too much info on the particular question that I had, but I think I've gotten some enlightenment  from the few who have posted thus far.

Thanks.




mnottertail -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 6:18:40 PM)

I am his mentor, showing him what he is missing.

I am his father,. showing him women.

I am his idol, showing him how if he could just take it, what he would have.

I am the alpha and leader of the group and he learns the pecking order..

That is quick and dirty, there is alot more than that.

I am, and they want to understand and emulate that as much as you do, and you live it.

I hope that makes any kind of sense marieToo.

Ron 



msterfixer -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 6:23:12 PM)

To serve the female, that is what it's about. 



mnottertail -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 6:32:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: msterfixer

To serve the female, that is what it's about. 



Thanks, Bull........I guess I kinda missed that.

Ron



MsBearlee -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 6:42:48 PM)

What an interesting question…and one that has past fleetingly though my mind from time to time of late. 
 
I know a couple of men right now, who…are somewhat interested in the concept of ‘forced bi’.  Yes, they are not bi (we have no bananas), but…they have this idea that being forced to suck ‘my cock’ (strapon) and be threatened with a real one…is such a turn-on for one and the idea of actually servicing a man is wild and desirous fantasy to the other, that I am beginning to re-think things. 
 
I am basically monogamous.  My one and only toe-dipping into ‘open relationship’ (okay…it was 30 years ago!!!) ended disastrously, but since discovering BDSM I wonder if it has to be. 
 
Why can’t the two men in a cuckold relationship know and at least respect each other?  Is any other HEALTHY triad different?  I believe in the concept of Polyamory and am not a swinger…so what, really, is so unhealthy about a triad, even one where cuckoldry is a part, if all know and enjoy the situation?  And many DO.  (Google is your friend!)
 
Michael, if you are friends with a man, with whom you and he would share anything between you…including his wife, apparently…why would you consider it dysfunctional?  It doesn’t sound like you do…and I applaud that.  Look, a lot of people thing anything BDSM is dysfunctional, and I’m finally discovering cuckoldry doesn’t have to be, either.
 
Skully, I don’t think cuckoldry need be different than Polyamory.  I used to think it was purely about swinging (but that’s also what I thought Polyamory was!), but I eventually figured out it does not have to be so.  I kinda like that part, too!
 
Stephann, I would agree there may be more submissive men want such a relationship than there are females who do…but what the hell; I don’t really think it HAS to be dysfunctional (and yes, I see you didn’t insist that).  Having said that…why would a woman who HAS a submissive husband who desires being cuckolded and a Poly relationship with his wife necessarily mean she would neither love nor be satisfied by him?
 
While I agree with you about fantasies, I just don’t agree a cuckolded man is unworthy of love and a good solid relationship…with a woman who also enjoys such things.
 
My $.02,
Beverly
 
PS............. are you a Bull then, Ron?  Seriously?  If so, are the ones you cuckold very young, then? 



Griswold -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/14/2008 10:10:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

Thanks for the responses everyone.  :)

With regards to the topic of poly coming into this, I had actually considered putting it in the poly forum, but thought there would be a wider response here.   I guess there isn't too much info on the particular question that I had, but I think I've gotten some enlightenment  from the few who have posted thus far.

Thanks.




(You can talk to me about this any time you want to :)  )



MsBearlee -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/15/2008 7:06:03 AM)

Griswold, you never cease to amaze me.  I've been reading another thread, too, and have a question.  Please check your mail.



marieToo -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/15/2008 12:36:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold


(You can talk to me about this any time you want to :)  )


Ummmm.....Said the spider to the fly?



Lordandmaster -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/15/2008 12:43:53 PM)

You guys all seem to be fixating on one kind of cuck relationship and forgetting about cases where the bull is dominant and BOTH halves of the cuck couple are submissive.  That's not so uncommon, and in those cases it's NOT all about "to serve the female."

quote:

ORIGINAL: msterfixer

To serve the female, that is what it's about. 



LaMsBitch -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/15/2008 2:09:29 PM)

 i know a dominant BULL



marieToo -> RE: Cuckold-Cuck/Bull Connection. (3/15/2008 2:19:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You guys all seem to be fixating on one kind of cuck relationship


I don't think anyone is fixating necessarily.  Maybe this type of cuckold fantasy is the most common.  There is a lot of it in the "ask a mistress" forum.


quote:

and forgetting about cases where the bull is dominant and BOTH halves of the cuck couple are submissive.  That's not so uncommon, and in those cases it's NOT all about "to serve the female."



I think there could be many variations of 'cuck couples' who are either domme/sub, sub/sub, switch/switch, or whatever.   From what I've read so far from those who have experienced this, there doesn't seem to be any substantial male-to-male connection going on regardless of the orientations of the participants.  So, it does seem to revert to the female, and her respective relationships with each of the men.



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