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CalifChick -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/6/2008 6:33:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hopelessfool

Thank You for your insight Cali I often start a notebook after moving to a messenger espically If I get a good feeling about such a person. I then if the person doesnt pan out ask them if they would like my notes or what they would wish for me to do with such information.


Okay, this is one of those judgment calls that should have gone the other way. I cannot imagine someone saying to me, "I've kept a notebook about you, but it's not panning out, do you want my notes?".  Just shred them. JUST. SHRED. THEM.  Do not tell them you have a dossier on them, do not ask them what they want you to do with them, just destroy them (the notes, not the person).

Cali




Padriag -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/6/2008 6:48:46 PM)

I've annoyed the hell out of a certain submissive with that very game. [;)]  Being playful, when both enjoy it is fine.  The problem comes when a submissive decides to continue in a particular behavior after it has ceased to amuse the dominant, and especially when its begun to annoy him.




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/6/2008 6:52:42 PM)

Bratty to me is purposefully being disobedient to get attention. There enjoy being defiant to get their way. This is my opinion , while some dominants enjoy them alot don't.
Asking questions to me isn't a brat. How are you supposed to learn and grow without questions?




Hisgirlonly -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/6/2008 6:55:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: catize

Brats and SAMs have their place in some dynamics; there are certainly dominants who like it.  To my way of thinking it’s a justification for pain play or punishment play, a ‘are you dominant enough to make me submit’ scenario.  I don’t practice that but hey, if both parties enjoy it, why not? 


what's a SAM? sorry ass Master???  no, really i don't know.
thanks!




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/6/2008 6:57:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hisgirlonly

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ORIGINAL: catize

Brats and SAMs have their place in some dynamics; there are certainly dominants who like it.  To my way of thinking it’s a justification for pain play or punishment play, a ‘are you dominant enough to make me submit’ scenario.  I don’t practice that but hey, if both parties enjoy it, why not? 


what's a SAM? sorry ass Master???  no, really i don't know.
thanks!



smart ass masochist




RedMagic1 -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/6/2008 7:02:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick
Do not tell them you have a dossier on them, do not ask them what they want you to do with them, just destroy them (the notes, not the person).

Cali is absolutely correct.  You are describing something that's kinda spooky.  I have chatlog history disabled on my computer.  I want to be able to assure people with 100% honesty that they are safe when they talk to me, and everything they say will be confidential.




LadyPact -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/6/2008 10:53:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

My definition of a "brat" is a submissive who tends towards willful disobedience, constantly pushed boundaries, needs to be "forced" or coerced into obedience frequently, etc.

Asking questions is not being bratty in my book.
Being playful is not being bratty in my book.
Asking "why" generally isn't a problem provided a) if on occasion I answer "because I said so" she is able to accept that and obey without further question, and b) her asking "why" doesn't start sounding like a bad Animaniacs cartoon with every statement or instruction being met with another "whyyyyy?"



This is very much the answer that I would have given, had I said it first.  My only addition would be to state that I think there would be more questions in the beginning of a dynamic.  After all, there is a learning phase that two (or more) people go through.  The 'what kind of cake' question is a perfect example.  Earlier on, it's completely understandable that a sub might not know the D types preference, so asking what kind of cake is a person's favorite, makes a lot of sense.

Skip ahead a significant amount of time.  Whatever length you would consider  past the getting to know you phase.  Wouldn't you probably know if your Dominant preferred chocolate over red velvet?  This might just be Me, but I expect My sub to pay attention to some of these things and know the answers as to My likes and dislikes.  If I want something other than My usual, I'll tell him so.




Justme696 -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 12:48:21 AM)

I dislike bratty subs (well the ones I met, not want to judge about all). They seem to argue with anything..and mostly they call themselfs so loyal and obeying.
If you are a sub, then you have a natural habbit to serve the right person...not to argue all the time. I find it a poor excuse mostly....to have kinky sex just in the bedroom. That is not a problem..but be honest..and skip caling it bratty.

I know some calingl them selfs bratty..because they like to tease and have fun   aka   not wanting a very strict Ds relation. That is ok.




MissMagnolia -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 12:57:38 AM)

I like Padriag and Cali's definitions. Having to deal with someone who is acting up like a five year old and who wants to be "forced" is far too much like hard work. I've had kids, I don't want a fully grown one.

If I've told my slave to do something, I don't think I need to explain my reasoning, I just want it doing. The end.





Ramar -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 12:59:45 AM)

I like bratty behaviour from a sub.

Basically a Dom alwaysknows his sub will be obedient and will do what is expected of her to do.  If you have this realization then your will bratty behaviour as fun and a great turn on.  Bratty behaviour is a sort of brinkmanship (or rather brinkwomanship!) which tests your limits to which you can be pushed. I will welcome a put-on sulk, a pout, a small disobedience, which leads to a reprimand and a little chase and a comensurate punishment. 
It is delightful, in my books.








MissMagnolia -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 1:18:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ramar

I like bratty behaviour from a sub.

Basically a Dom alwaysknows his sub will be obedient and will do what is expected of her to do.  If you have this realization then your will bratty behaviour as fun and a great turn on.






For YOU Ramar. What YOU enjoy is good for YOU.

We're all compos mentis enough to have realisations, it doesn't mean we all find them positive or desirable.




Ramar -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 1:31:34 AM)

Miss MAgnolia - I agree with you. 




Sunnyfey -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 4:09:56 AM)

*giggles* See Im a brat in that...when you tell me to put something away like laundry? I'll end up tacking your boxers to the celing.......just to see the look on your face. Im a CREATIVE brat.

p.s. you should see the looks I get sometimes before I have to scamper off and hide




CalifChick -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 6:22:03 AM)

Okay, I'm going to go find the last person that called me a brat and slap the shit out of them... they TRULY did not know what they were talking about. I can't even imagine being in a relatonship where one of you is a toddler that never grows up. I'm sure it's great for some people, but good lord, it makes me tired just READING about it.

Cali




colouredin -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 6:29:19 AM)

Im gonna admit i havent fully read all the replies, I skimmed most of them though. I think brat means differant things to differant people. For me it is someone who constantly plays up for attention/play. I have been defiant at times and i totally admit it was because I wanted to play. Normally however I can be spirited and stuff but thats just in my nature, its not for me being bratty and I am not sure I like the term anyways smacks a bit too much of TFTB to me.

I dont think asking questions is bratty though I guess it totally depends HOW you ask them WHAT they are and WHY you ask them




dawntreader -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 6:31:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

In my book, a brat is someone who knows how to behave appropriately and chooses not to. This is not the same as sassy, or spirited.

Cali



This is my definition as well even though i realise this is a turn-on to some ~
 
As to the constantly asking what you are thinking thing...i was with a Dom once (key - once) that asked me what i was thinking constantly while i was in the thros of orgasm...over and over again. i am not very verbal when in that state of mind/phyical and not only was it terribly annoying but frustrating as well. i wasn't thinking much - i was in the flow. So it goes both ways is what i am saying...
 
Although i will say, it was the longest time of continueos orgasm i have ever experienced[;)]




Sunnyfey -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 6:34:38 AM)

I dont see being a brat as acting like a toddler. I see it as disobeying creatively. No I wont do something horrible like refuse to listen to Sir during a public scene infront of everyone and throughly disobey him and undermine his athority. But, I may move my ass out of the way of his flogger. I would never say no to my Sir like "No F you I wont do that." but I may sit on his foot as opposed to sitting on the floor next to him. I know WHEN to disobey Sir, and when is just not a good time to push the limits a tiny bit. If Sir is throughly upset about something, I wont act up. If Sir is VERY serious about something. I do it without question. Being a brat and being  B*tch and TFTB are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT (to ME)




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 7:03:44 AM)

I have the capability of being bratty at times - in fun, when I have read the situation and know that brattiness will be tolerated or even appreciated.

When I question, it is usually in a reasonable and respectful tone, asking for information that will allow me to do the task more efficiently and correctly - just as I would in any authority dynamic, such as in a workplace.

To me, a Smart-Ass Masochist is not a brat. We are spirited, independent people who like pain - physical pain. We do not necessarily bend to authority in all aspect of life as we know there are areas in which we are more skilled or knowledgeable than the Dominant in our lives, and we do not care to submit in those areas.

This particular SAM is willing to submit in any area where her Dom is superior, however.




Justme696 -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 7:13:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ramar

I like bratty behaviour from a sub.

Basically a Dom alwaysknows his sub will be obedient and will do what is expected of her to do.  If you have this realization then your will bratty behaviour as fun and a great turn on.  Bratty behaviour is a sort of brinkmanship (or rather brinkwomanship!) which tests your limits to which you can be pushed. I will welcome a put-on sulk, a pout, a small disobedience, which leads to a reprimand and a little chase and a comensurate punishment. 
It is delightful, in my books.



that sounds to me like play, not how one really is.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Bratty Submissives and the question Why (3/7/2008 7:35:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Why?


Red, don't make bring out my inner Domme and go to town on yer ass. You wouldn't like it. I promise.

Damn bratty Doms. Think they're so cute.



Cuz we are...[:)]...even us angelic ones.




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