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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 1:52:53 PM   
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Sleep on it and tomorrow morning you will conclude that this nutty idea is the pipe dream of someone who has thereby disqualified himself as a scientist.



An appropriate choice of words in  the current context.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 2:16:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey man... like.... being a scientist is about results(This being said in Chong's voice). It's not ALWAYS about 100% accuracy and yield- sometimes this is impossible. Historians cant perform experiments on history in the lab. It's a natural experiment, with relative confidence or lack thereof in the facts you gather.

I wouldnt take the bet willingly, or bet a lot; but if I had to bet one way or the other, I would bet this guy is right.  He's put forward a hypothesis that is very simple and makes sense.

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Not a lot to talk about here, from just reading the summary article on the study itself. In his actual research, I am assuming this guy backs up how common this acacia concoction was, as well as its biblical references.


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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:21:39 PM   
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" On the whole, then, we get 144,000 Israelites traveling through the Sinai desert – again an immensely large figure for this region, raising all the difficulties mentioned above."

I did not watch those youtube things as my speakers are out.
 
Sure, I know that there is a huge number named in the old testament. (It has been twenty years since I read that.) But it ain't reliable. How did it start? With a small number of brothers - seven or twelve or something. And those stayed for how long in Egypt? Unknown, but let's estimate a couple of generations. What are they, rabbits? If they number one hundred thousand brick makers or half a million brickmakers they could have defeated the standing army of the farao (the palace and town guard), which presumably numbered a couple of hundred soldiers.
 
It is likely that long after the exodus Salomon or whomever counted the then population of Palestine and got that huge number, but the actual number of people taking part in the exodus cannot have been more than a couple of hundred or perhaps one thousand. Do you have any idea how much that many people and their life stock in desert conditions drink? That much water for one hundred thousand to half a million alleged people cannot be supplied by cracking a rock; that requires a large river or lake.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:22:54 PM   
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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:24:55 PM   
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I like the idea that Moses and his troups were smoking dubbage.



Impossible!....Never once have I seen any references in the Bible pertaining to gyros or burritos.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:27:49 PM   
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He's put forward a hypothesis that is very simple and makes sense.

It is completely unsupported. It is not made plausible at all.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:29:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man, it's all cryptic, and open to interpretation. Me, I never read the thing, but I like to imagine Jesus was a dope smoking hippie who got his blow from the large ganja plantations that were then thriving in Galilea. Wasn't he all about peace and love? See?

Moses smoking dubbies, I agree that it's more of a far stretch, a bit like a nun's cunt when she meets up with the local rugby team after a few decades left for dry... in her cell... Enough, I'm getting hot.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:30:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most likely they were on something. They were fed manna which was tasteless flakes. but it tasted like whatever they wanted it to be. Got to be high to do that.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:40:22 PM   
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Most likely they were on something. They were fed manna which was tasteless flakes. but it tasted like whatever they wanted it to be. Got to be high to do that.

Spaghetti and such products are tasteless as well. Simply add sauce or herbs to make something tasteless to taste like whatever one wants. There is no evidence whatsoever that drugs of any kind were involved. They were on the run, not lying down in an opium kit in Shanghai.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:42:15 PM   
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They were on the run, not lying down in an opium kit in Shanghai.



Some say, Shangai is where they were running to.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 3:45:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		No mention of pizza or Moses demolishing off an entire package of oreos in a single sitting....Highly suspect.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 4:37:48 PM   
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Most likely they were on something. They were fed manna which was tasteless flakes. but it tasted like whatever they wanted it to be. Got to be high to do that.

Spaghetti and such products are tasteless as well. Simply add sauce or herbs to make something tasteless to taste like whatever one wants. There is no evidence whatsoever that drugs of any kind were involved. They were on the run, not lying down in an opium kit in Shanghai.


Dude, have you ever heard the term tongue and cheeck?
sheesh...

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 4:46:49 PM   
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No mention of pizza or Moses demolishing off an entire package of oreos in a single sitting....Highly suspect.



Nor are there pictures of them munching on homemade garlic (unleavened) bread (fun, to make it at midnight :-) and cheesecake.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 4:51:54 PM   
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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 4:52:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok..i think this "scientist" is a total nutter and all...but i do have some proof tha perhaps something was amiss...   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L940yIeVZzE

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 5:33:13 PM   
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No mention of pizza or Moses demolishing off an entire package of oreos in a single sitting....Highly suspect.



Nor are there pictures of them munching on homemade garlic (unleavened) bread (fun, to make it at midnight :-) and cheesecake.


They wandered through the dessert for 40 years. then Mrs. Moses FINALLY asked for directions!



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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 6:58:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fact check: There probably never was a Moses. But it is fun sometimes to entertain the idea that he might have existed.

I've also heard that Yogi Bear was a drunkard and that Casper the Friendy Ghost was actually gay. Does that get y'all worked up also?



No other surviving written records from Egypt, Assyria, etc., indisputably referring to the stories of the Bible or its main characters before ca. 850s BC have been found, and there is no known physical evidence (such as pottery shards or stone tablets) to corroborate Moses' existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 7:25:54 PM   
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I've also heard that Yogi Bear was a drunkard and that Casper the Friendy Ghost was actually gay. Does that get y'all worked up also?





Bert and Ernie are definately gay and Big bird seems a bit effeminate.

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 7:38:47 PM   
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First you claim that he abused drugs and next you claim that he did not exist? lol

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RE: Moses was on yagé - 3/5/2008 7:58:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I never asserted anything of the kind. Linking to an article is not the same as sharing the opinion (or all of the opinions) stated there. Mainly, I thought it was funny and provided, yet again, more food for ridiculing ideas I personally find preposterous.

I am certainly a religious iconoclast, if nothing else.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this Moses issue Rule. I find your grasp of reality concerning the issue tenuous at best.

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