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SugarMyChurro -> Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 5:28:24 PM)
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080304120710.ad7gm7i6&show_article=1 "The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music." He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said. He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible. ----- That should settle the matter.

PanthersMom -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 5:36:37 PM)
ok, now i have visions of cheech and chong in jesus-style robes, sitting under a tree smoking a pipe and telling outrageous stories about people they supposedly know who performed these wild miracles. i'll never be able to teach bible school. PM

christine1 -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 5:50:42 PM)
that should settle what matter? hell, if i were leading who knows how many people out of bondage and having to live in the wilderness for 40 years, i'd need drugs too...i don't blame him hehe.

DesFIP -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 5:52:48 PM)
Or possibly had synesthesia. Or had an authentic religious experience. But the difficulties inherent in taking this article as a final answer are in the fact that the researcher in question is an admitted user of mind altering substances. Additionally the fact that Moses may or may not have used a mind altering substance before viewing the burning bush does not answer the question of how several tens of thousands of people saw the Red Sea part, and then crossed it.

xBullx -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 5:55:48 PM)
It just occured to me that I just might be the anti-Moses, I'm rather motivated to lead women back into bondage. No drugs involved in that. Hmmmm, Bull

MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 7:34:40 PM)
So, just what was in that burning bush, anyway? :-)

knees2you -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 11:07:45 PM)
quote: Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080304120710.ad7gm7i6&show_article=1 "The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music." He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said. He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible. *He was High, High on the Authority from above~[sm=book.gif]* *As Always, ant[sm=ofcourse.gif]*

Aswad -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 11:23:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MichiganHeadmast So, just what was in that burning bush, anyway? :-) Prolly just something the US firebombed a few thousand years back in time when clearing a plantation. [;)] Health, al-Aswad.

meatcleaver -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/4/2008 11:33:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Or possibly had synesthesia. Or had an authentic religious experience. But the difficulties inherent in taking this article as a final answer are in the fact that the researcher in question is an admitted user of mind altering substances. Additionally the fact that Moses may or may not have used a mind altering substance before viewing the burning bush does not answer the question of how several tens of thousands of people saw the Red Sea part, and then crossed it. Moses thought God ordered him to command the people he led to commit genocide (and they did according to the bible), if that is not someone high on drugs, I don't know what is. If someone said Hitler was on drugs, I bet you wouldn't have trouble believing them. The parting of the Red Sea is not a fact. However, there are rational explanations how this could have happened naturally. Many of the so called facts in the bible don't hold water, many others have rational explanations. You are dealing with the writings of people who were inherently superstitious. Anyone who has a modicum of education in the 21st century should realise the writings in the bible are not literal but mythic.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 11:52:18 AM)
DMT-containing plants are everywhere. http://users.lycaeum.org/~mulga/acacia/entheo.html And, of course, we have those wonderful 4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine-containing fungi. [8D] Prohibition-stupidity factoid: DMT is illegal; it's a schedule I molecule. It is also present in the human body. We are all, by legal definition, breaking the law. Stupid fucking drug-warriors.

caitlyn -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 11:55:35 AM)
Please try to avoid saying "burning bush." It tends to start Fargle on another rant. [;)]

DomMeinCT -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 12:14:28 PM)
Wouldn't you have been on drugs if 100,000+ folks were following you around, bitching about the food, the water, the sand and constantly asking "Are we there yet?"

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 12:23:39 PM)
I think the only way to eat manna is with the post-dope munchies.

DomMeinCT -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 12:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro I think the only way to eat manna is with the post-dope munchies. You'd have to eat it then. Forty years of the same meal....eccchhh.

Rule -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 12:32:46 PM)
Grasping at non-existent straws, SMC? Let me guess: you acquired a mummified tissue or dried up blood sample with an authentic hieroglyphic papyrus certifying that it belonged to Moses and had a biochemist perform a number of drug tests on it? There is no argument in the Bible indicating the use of drugs. Anyway, every aspect of the exodus can be explained rationally. No miracles.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 12:42:15 PM)
Why grasp at straws when stating the painfully obvious will suffice?

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 12:56:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Grasping at non-existent straws, SMC? Let me guess: you acquired a mummified tissue or dried up blood sample with an authentic hieroglyphic papyrus certifying that it belonged to Moses and had a biochemist perform a number of drug tests on it? There is no argument in the Bible indicating the use of drugs. Anyway, every aspect of the exodus can be explained rationally. No miracles. Really? Then explain why not a single artifact has been found.

Rule -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 12:57:41 PM)
There are no miracles in the Bible. There are differences between evidence, an argued and probable hypothesis, and far fetched and wild and desperate speculation, SMC. Sleep on it and tomorrow morning you will conclude that this nutty idea is the pipe dream of someone who has thereby disqualified himself as a scientist.

Rule -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 1:03:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster explain why not a single artifact has been found. Like what artifact? A couple of hundred or at most (at a wild guess) a thousand people on foot do not leave much of a trace. Anyway, wasn't it established by archaeologists that the walls of Jericho were destroyed? And isn't it asserted that the remains of the Ark of the covenant are guarded by some sect of Ethiopian christians?

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Moses was on yagé (3/5/2008 1:49:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster explain why not a single artifact has been found. Like what artifact? A couple of hundred or at most (at a wild guess) a thousand people on foot do not leave much of a trace. Anyway, wasn't it established by archaeologists that the walls of Jericho were destroyed? And isn't it asserted that the remains of the Ark of the covenant are guarded by some sect of Ethiopian christians? " On the whole, then, we get 144,000 Israelites traveling through the Sinai desert – again an immensely large figure for this region, raising all the difficulties mentioned above." http://www.talkreason.org/Forum.cfm?MESSAGEID=298 That many people don't pass through a region without leaving a trace. That's why the myth of Exodus is just that - a myth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBXt9RBjL4 ignore this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWmxWIIY5S4 You don't appear to be able to think things through.

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